Pac says..."he knew" !!!

[Majesty]

It doesn't matter if Margarito sells tickets (he does btw, he is largely responsible for the biggest crowd in Staples history) nor does it matter if he knew or not. It also doesn't matter if Capitello was secretly putting the loaded pads on him, it's Margarito's responsibility. Ultimately the buck stops with him, there needs to be a sense of personal accountability. He doesn't need to go into the work he did with cancer patients when asked about the wraps. If he didn't know and that's the truth (doubtful but whatever), then say so and THEN be a man and say you were ultimately responsible. Only after that take the initiative to put the pressure on your trainer to find out if it had been done in the past. It really comes down to that, don't make people forget about. That's how a grown man should handle his tribulations, if he feels he is being persecuted then it's on him to explain himself adequately. We ALL know that he had those pads on versus Cotto and probably versus a host of other opponents. If not then you are being naiive.

Now you just being an idiot. If you know than lets see the proof. Were you there when he was getting them wrapped? It amazes me how Cotto groupies still cling to that lame excuse.

There is no proof either way. It is uncertain whether he used them before. We have proof his trainer, Capetillo, tried to use them for the Shane fight and that Capetillo wrapped his hands for previous fights. Surely, at the least it is suspicious. Margarito himself had "no idea" that Capetillo was putting in the cement for the Shane fight, therefore, how would he know if Capetillo was putting them in for any previous fight? He, himself, has no idea. In fact, Capetillo admitted that he had used the cement wrap previously and neither of them denied that it had been used in the past. Every single fight on Margarito's record that Capetillo trained and wrapped him for should have an asterisk next to it and at the bottom of the page a statement saying that it is unsure whether he had cement wraps for this fight. At the end of the day, if Margarito is innocent, this sucks for Margarito because basically Capetillo tarnished every single win on his record because we'll never know if he had wrapped the gloves with cement. To me, this is what made me suspicious of Margarito's innocence. If you were in that situation, and you found out that your trainer had tarnished your reputation and put your career in jeopardy, wouldn't it have really ticked you off? I would have publicly denounced Capetillo immediately and called on all fighters to pay more attention to their trainers when they wrap hands. Margarito did nothing for a long time and actually maintains a relationship with Capetillo to this day.

If that's the case wouldn't he have stopped Williams? Unless you think he only started wrapping them that way after the Williams fight. But some people say he only beat Cintron twice. So why do these cement wraps knock some people out while not stop others? They say it's the reason he beat Cotto and Cintron twice but offer no reason as to why they didn't stop Williams. You'd think if he was using them as consistently as that he'd have been knocking everyone out or at least roughing up their faces badly wouldn't he? So why were they so potent in the fight's with Cotto and Cintron, yet completely docile against Williams and Clottey?

[:::PSL:::]

It doesn't matter if Margarito sells tickets (he does btw, he is largely responsible for the biggest crowd in Staples history) nor does it matter if he knew or not. It also doesn't matter if Capitello was secretly putting the loaded pads on him, it's Margarito's responsibility. Ultimately the buck stops with him, there needs to be a sense of personal accountability. He doesn't need to go into the work he did with cancer patients when asked about the wraps. If he didn't know and that's the truth (doubtful but whatever), then say so and THEN be a man and say you were ultimately responsible. Only after that take the initiative to put the pressure on your trainer to find out if it had been done in the past. It really comes down to that, don't make people forget about. That's how a grown man should handle his tribulations, if he feels he is being persecuted then it's on him to explain himself adequately. We ALL know that he had those pads on versus Cotto and probably versus a host of other opponents. If not then you are being naiive.

Now you just being an idiot. If you know than lets see the proof. Were you there when he was getting them wrapped? It amazes me how Cotto groupies still cling to that lame excuse.

There is no proof either way. It is uncertain whether he used them before. We have proof his trainer, Capetillo, tried to use them for the Shane fight and that Capetillo wrapped his hands for previous fights. Surely, at the least it is suspicious. Margarito himself had "no idea" that Capetillo was putting in the cement for the Shane fight, therefore, how would he know if Capetillo was putting them in for any previous fight? He, himself, has no idea. In fact, Capetillo admitted that he had used the cement wrap previously and neither of them denied that it had been used in the past. Every single fight on Margarito's record that Capetillo trained and wrapped him for should have an asterisk next to it and at the bottom of the page a statement saying that it is unsure whether he had cement wraps for this fight. At the end of the day, if Margarito is innocent, this sucks for Margarito because basically Capetillo tarnished every single win on his record because we'll never know if he had wrapped the gloves with cement. To me, this is what made me suspicious of Margarito's innocence. If you were in that situation, and you found out that your trainer had tarnished your reputation and put your career in jeopardy, wouldn't it have really ticked you off? I would have publicly denounced Capetillo immediately and called on all fighters to pay more attention to their trainers when they wrap hands. Margarito did nothing for a long time and actually maintains a relationship with Capetillo to this day.

If that's the case wouldn't he have stopped Williams? Unless you think he only started wrapping them that way after the Williams fight. But some people say he only beat Cintron twice. So why do these cement wraps knock some people out while not stop others? They say it's the reason he beat Cotto and Cintron twice but offer no reason as to why they didn't stop Williams. You'd think if he was using them as consistently as that he'd have been knocking everyone out or at least roughing up their faces badly wouldn't he? So why were they so potent in the fight's with Cotto and Cintron, yet completely docile against Williams and Clottey?

That's easy. Cuz Tony didn't connect that much against Williams and Clottey.

[Majesty]

It doesn't matter if Margarito sells tickets (he does btw, he is largely responsible for the biggest crowd in Staples history) nor does it matter if he knew or not. It also doesn't matter if Capitello was secretly putting the loaded pads on him, it's Margarito's responsibility. Ultimately the buck stops with him, there needs to be a sense of personal accountability. He doesn't need to go into the work he did with cancer patients when asked about the wraps. If he didn't know and that's the truth (doubtful but whatever), then say so and THEN be a man and say you were ultimately responsible. Only after that take the initiative to put the pressure on your trainer to find out if it had been done in the past. It really comes down to that, don't make people forget about. That's how a grown man should handle his tribulations, if he feels he is being persecuted then it's on him to explain himself adequately. We ALL know that he had those pads on versus Cotto and probably versus a host of other opponents. If not then you are being naiive.

Now you just being an idiot. If you know than lets see the proof. Were you there when he was getting them wrapped? It amazes me how Cotto groupies still cling to that lame excuse.

There is no proof either way. It is uncertain whether he used them before. We have proof his trainer, Capetillo, tried to use them for the Shane fight and that Capetillo wrapped his hands for previous fights. Surely, at the least it is suspicious. Margarito himself had "no idea" that Capetillo was putting in the cement for the Shane fight, therefore, how would he know if Capetillo was putting them in for any previous fight? He, himself, has no idea. In fact, Capetillo admitted that he had used the cement wrap previously and neither of them denied that it had been used in the past. Every single fight on Margarito's record that Capetillo trained and wrapped him for should have an asterisk next to it and at the bottom of the page a statement saying that it is unsure whether he had cement wraps for this fight. At the end of the day, if Margarito is innocent, this sucks for Margarito because basically Capetillo tarnished every single win on his record because we'll never know if he had wrapped the gloves with cement. To me, this is what made me suspicious of Margarito's innocence. If you were in that situation, and you found out that your trainer had tarnished your reputation and put your career in jeopardy, wouldn't it have really ticked you off? I would have publicly denounced Capetillo immediately and called on all fighters to pay more attention to their trainers when they wrap hands. Margarito did nothing for a long time and actually maintains a relationship with Capetillo to this day.

If that's the case wouldn't he have stopped Williams? Unless you think he only started wrapping them that way after the Williams fight. But some people say he only beat Cintron twice. So why do these cement wraps knock some people out while not stop others? They say it's the reason he beat Cotto and Cintron twice but offer no reason as to why they didn't stop Williams. You'd think if he was using them as consistently as that he'd have been knocking everyone out or at least roughing up their faces badly wouldn't he? So why were they so potent in the fight's with Cotto and Cintron, yet completely docile against Williams and Clottey?

That's easy. Cuz Tony didn't connect that much against Williams and Clottey.

he hit Clottey and Williams plenty especially in the last few rounds when he came on strong.

[ElTerribleMorales]

It doesn't matter if Margarito sells tickets (he does btw, he is largely responsible for the biggest crowd in Staples history) nor does it matter if he knew or not. It also doesn't matter if Capitello was secretly putting the loaded pads on him, it's Margarito's responsibility. Ultimately the buck stops with him, there needs to be a sense of personal accountability. He doesn't need to go into the work he did with cancer patients when asked about the wraps. If he didn't know and that's the truth (doubtful but whatever), then say so and THEN be a man and say you were ultimately responsible. Only after that take the initiative to put the pressure on your trainer to find out if it had been done in the past. It really comes down to that, don't make people forget about. That's how a grown man should handle his tribulations, if he feels he is being persecuted then it's on him to explain himself adequately. We ALL know that he had those pads on versus Cotto and probably versus a host of other opponents. If not then you are being naiive.

Now you just being an idiot. If you know than lets see the proof. Were you there when he was getting them wrapped? It amazes me how Cotto groupies still cling to that lame excuse.

There is no proof either way. It is uncertain whether he used them before. We have proof his trainer, Capetillo, tried to use them for the Shane fight and that Capetillo wrapped his hands for previous fights. Surely, at the least it is suspicious. Margarito himself had "no idea" that Capetillo was putting in the cement for the Shane fight, therefore, how would he know if Capetillo was putting them in for any previous fight? He, himself, has no idea. In fact, Capetillo admitted that he had used the cement wrap previously and neither of them denied that it had been used in the past. Every single fight on Margarito's record that Capetillo trained and wrapped him for should have an asterisk next to it and at the bottom of the page a statement saying that it is unsure whether he had cement wraps for this fight. At the end of the day, if Margarito is innocent, this sucks for Margarito because basically Capetillo tarnished every single win on his record because we'll never know if he had wrapped the gloves with cement. To me, this is what made me suspicious of Margarito's innocence. If you were in that situation, and you found out that your trainer had tarnished your reputation and put your career in jeopardy, wouldn't it have really ticked you off? I would have publicly denounced Capetillo immediately and called on all fighters to pay more attention to their trainers when they wrap hands. Margarito did nothing for a long time and actually maintains a relationship with Capetillo to this day.

If that's the case wouldn't he have stopped Williams? Unless you think he only started wrapping them that way after the Williams fight. But some people say he only beat Cintron twice. So why do these cement wraps knock some people out while not stop others? They say it's the reason he beat Cotto and Cintron twice but offer no reason as to why they didn't stop Williams. You'd think if he was using them as consistently as that he'd have been knocking everyone out or at least roughing up their faces badly wouldn't he? So why were they so potent in the fight's with Cotto and Cintron, yet completely docile against Williams and Clottey?

it could be what was just posted that he didn't really land against either guy or that he didn't have them for those fights, and if he didn't well rewatch them and he looked like shit in both fights, Clottey was schooling him until he hurt his hand, also it's not impossible to last the full 10 or 12 against a guy wearing loaded gloves....Collins went the distance against Resto....

[Rantcatrat]

It doesn't matter if Margarito sells tickets (he does btw, he is largely responsible for the biggest crowd in Staples history) nor does it matter if he knew or not. It also doesn't matter if Capitello was secretly putting the loaded pads on him, it's Margarito's responsibility. Ultimately the buck stops with him, there needs to be a sense of personal accountability. He doesn't need to go into the work he did with cancer patients when asked about the wraps. If he didn't know and that's the truth (doubtful but whatever), then say so and THEN be a man and say you were ultimately responsible. Only after that take the initiative to put the pressure on your trainer to find out if it had been done in the past. It really comes down to that, don't make people forget about. That's how a grown man should handle his tribulations, if he feels he is being persecuted then it's on him to explain himself adequately. We ALL know that he had those pads on versus Cotto and probably versus a host of other opponents. If not then you are being naiive.

Now you just being an idiot. If you know than lets see the proof. Were you there when he was getting them wrapped? It amazes me how Cotto groupies still cling to that lame excuse.

There is no proof either way. It is uncertain whether he used them before. We have proof his trainer, Capetillo, tried to use them for the Shane fight and that Capetillo wrapped his hands for previous fights. Surely, at the least it is suspicious. Margarito himself had "no idea" that Capetillo was putting in the cement for the Shane fight, therefore, how would he know if Capetillo was putting them in for any previous fight? He, himself, has no idea. In fact, Capetillo admitted that he had used the cement wrap previously and neither of them denied that it had been used in the past. Every single fight on Margarito's record that Capetillo trained and wrapped him for should have an asterisk next to it and at the bottom of the page a statement saying that it is unsure whether he had cement wraps for this fight. At the end of the day, if Margarito is innocent, this sucks for Margarito because basically Capetillo tarnished every single win on his record because we'll never know if he had wrapped the gloves with cement. To me, this is what made me suspicious of Margarito's innocence. If you were in that situation, and you found out that your trainer had tarnished your reputation and put your career in jeopardy, wouldn't it have really ticked you off? I would have publicly denounced Capetillo immediately and called on all fighters to pay more attention to their trainers when they wrap hands. Margarito did nothing for a long time and actually maintains a relationship with Capetillo to this day.

If that's the case wouldn't he have stopped Williams? Unless you think he only started wrapping them that way after the Williams fight. But some people say he only beat Cintron twice. So why do these cement wraps knock some people out while not stop others? They say it's the reason he beat Cotto and Cintron twice but offer no reason as to why they didn't stop Williams. You'd think if he was using them as consistently as that he'd have been knocking everyone out or at least roughing up their faces badly wouldn't he? So why were they so potent in the fight's with Cotto and Cintron, yet completely docile against Williams and Clottey?

You misunderstand me. I'm not saying he did or didn't use concrete wraps in his other fights. I'm saying his record is forever tarnished because we'll never know which fights, if any, he used concrete in for sure, now that he admits to not knowing there was concrete in his gloves as long as Capetillo did the wrapping. If Margarito didn't know about the concrete for the Shane fight, there is no way to know he knew for the other fightss.

And if he didn't know about the Capetillo's wrapping for the Shane fight, why didn't he publicly denounce Capetillo for putting his career in jeopardy? Why didn't he come down hard on him? Friend or not, not only did Capetillo put other fighter's lives in jeopardy, but he also put Margarito's ability to provide for himself and his family in jeopardy and his actions could have resulted in Margarito being incarcerated. But, Margarito didn't seem mad at Capetillo at all. Doesn't that sit funny with you?

[Majesty]

It doesn't matter if Margarito sells tickets (he does btw, he is largely responsible for the biggest crowd in Staples history) nor does it matter if he knew or not. It also doesn't matter if Capitello was secretly putting the loaded pads on him, it's Margarito's responsibility. Ultimately the buck stops with him, there needs to be a sense of personal accountability. He doesn't need to go into the work he did with cancer patients when asked about the wraps. If he didn't know and that's the truth (doubtful but whatever), then say so and THEN be a man and say you were ultimately responsible. Only after that take the initiative to put the pressure on your trainer to find out if it had been done in the past. It really comes down to that, don't make people forget about. That's how a grown man should handle his tribulations, if he feels he is being persecuted then it's on him to explain himself adequately. We ALL know that he had those pads on versus Cotto and probably versus a host of other opponents. If not then you are being naiive.

Now you just being an idiot. If you know than lets see the proof. Were you there when he was getting them wrapped? It amazes me how Cotto groupies still cling to that lame excuse.

There is no proof either way. It is uncertain whether he used them before. We have proof his trainer, Capetillo, tried to use them for the Shane fight and that Capetillo wrapped his hands for previous fights. Surely, at the least it is suspicious. Margarito himself had "no idea" that Capetillo was putting in the cement for the Shane fight, therefore, how would he know if Capetillo was putting them in for any previous fight? He, himself, has no idea. In fact, Capetillo admitted that he had used the cement wrap previously and neither of them denied that it had been used in the past. Every single fight on Margarito's record that Capetillo trained and wrapped him for should have an asterisk next to it and at the bottom of the page a statement saying that it is unsure whether he had cement wraps for this fight. At the end of the day, if Margarito is innocent, this sucks for Margarito because basically Capetillo tarnished every single win on his record because we'll never know if he had wrapped the gloves with cement. To me, this is what made me suspicious of Margarito's innocence. If you were in that situation, and you found out that your trainer had tarnished your reputation and put your career in jeopardy, wouldn't it have really ticked you off? I would have publicly denounced Capetillo immediately and called on all fighters to pay more attention to their trainers when they wrap hands. Margarito did nothing for a long time and actually maintains a relationship with Capetillo to this day.

If that's the case wouldn't he have stopped Williams? Unless you think he only started wrapping them that way after the Williams fight. But some people say he only beat Cintron twice. So why do these cement wraps knock some people out while not stop others? They say it's the reason he beat Cotto and Cintron twice but offer no reason as to why they didn't stop Williams. You'd think if he was using them as consistently as that he'd have been knocking everyone out or at least roughing up their faces badly wouldn't he? So why were they so potent in the fight's with Cotto and Cintron, yet completely docile against Williams and Clottey?

You misunderstand me. I'm not saying he did or didn't use concrete wraps in his other fights. I'm saying his record is forever tarnished because we'll never know which fights, if any, he used concrete in for sure, now that he admits to not knowing there was concrete in his gloves as long as Capetillo did the wrapping. If Margarito didn't know about the concrete for the Shane fight, there is no way to know he knew for the other fightss.

And if he didn't know about the Capetillo's wrapping for the Shane fight, why didn't he publicly denounce Capetillo for putting his career in jeopardy? Why didn't he come down hard on him? Friend or not, not only did Capetillo put other fighter's lives in jeopardy, but he also put Margarito's ability to provide for himself and his family in jeopardy and his actions could have resulted in Margarito being incarcerated. But, Margarito didn't seem mad at Capetillo at all. Doesn't that sit funny with you?

Ah I understand you're basically saying that every fight is in question whether he did or not.

[milmascaras1]

morales,

what crime did margarito commit again? or are you trying to say he attempted to commit a crime. two different things!

[:::PSL:::]

morales,

what crime did margarito commit again? or are you trying to say he attempted to commit a crime. two different things!

Attempted assault is a crime itself. You know that right?

[ElTerribleMorales]

morales,

what crime did margarito commit again? or are you trying to say he attempted to commit a crime. two different things!

he didn't use it cause he was caught, if not he would have marched into that ring with concrete gloves and would have put Mosley's life in more danger than it would have already been in a regular fight

it's the same thing as when a guy goes to kill someone and is stopped before doing it, he still gets time for attempted murder

and yet nice how you dodged the question i put out, how can you sit and loathe Mayol as a cheater (which he obviously is, no way you can headbutt a guy 5 inches shorter than you and not be intentional), yet you go on defending Margarito every turn?!?!

[amat]

It's not as if he had actual cinder blocks in his hands Majesty, they weren't literally 'bricks' that would knock you out with one shot but obviously they would add to that clubbing type power of his and Cotto took a lot more shots through the fight then did Williams or Clottey. Williams also fought a much better fight tactically then Cotto, no doubt but that doesn't mean those wraps weren't there for the Williams fight. Of course Mil will chalk this up to hurt feelings over the Cotto fight but that is simply an idiotic argument and Mil is being blinded by his own flag. People's hypocrisy and biases show through on topics like this and the Pacquiao topic.

I will say though, that Pacquiao is getting a lot more flack for giving Margarito a payday then Mayweather did for fighting Mosley. I think Margarito has an equally good of a chance to beat Pacquiao too, it's not the worst fight in the world to be made I suppose.

[milmascaras1]

amat,

oh, so other people aren't "blinded by their own flags"? come on, i was a margarito fan way before this crap happened. do you think i'm happy with what he did? of course i'm not but i also believe a person should get another chance after serving their sentence. and by the way, margarito is the wrong guy to be barking at. blame the california boxing commission for giving him such a light sentence.

[amat]

The California Boxing commission suspended INDEFINITELY from their state, not for one year. Thus why he STILL can't fight in California. California doesn't have the power to say he can't fight in Texas, they just trusted the other states would honor their ruling and adopt it as their decision. Obviously Texas sees the $$$ to be made by Margarito-Pacquiao so they didn't bother with it.

Also, as for the Cotto thing, there is strong evidence suggesting he used the same knucklepads against Cotto. Aside from common sense, there are pictures after the Cotto fight showing blood on the same part of the wraps where there was blood on the Mosley wraps. Knucklepads are made by trainers and the only thing that are actually re-usable.

But yes, there is no reason to blame California because they suspended him INDEFINITELY, not for a year. Otherwise this fight would be happening in LA.

[amat]

Also, as a male, how about asking another male to take responsibility? Isn't that what separates us from the snakes and rats of the world? Margarito is the wrong person to be barking at? Are you serious? How the hell can you honestly say that? So you are excusing Margarito of any responsibility? That's what I'm getting from you here.