One month out and Martinez is 176 pounds....meanwhile Williams is at 162

[0james0]

Unless he has simply thought fuck the catch weight? Maybe he just plans on coming in heavier and paying the penalty.

Unlikely, but could be

[JonnyFolds]

Unless he has simply thought fuck the catch weight? Maybe he just plans on coming in heavier and paying the penalty.

Unlikely, but could be

Martinez has never struggled with weight. In the Williams Martinez fight he rehydrated about 6lbs and in the Pavlik fight it was even less.

I can lose 12 lbs of water weight in a day, and I weight 145. A professional athlete and I had to lose 20lbs in 4 weeks, that makes it come down to about 2lbs a week, which is a lot more doable.

Martinez is not like Mayweather. A fighter who lures a Featherweight to "catchweight Welter" and bends the scales while laughing it off. I mean that was about the lowest you can go in my book. He's no better than Joan Guzman.

Martinez has character, and he shows up to work with his gloves because they make him wear them. They still gotta remind Mayweather to take his wife-beater (for you brits this is a style of shirt for us cookie americans. just watch the jersey shore. That's all the guys wear) off I guess when goes anywhere....

I am shocked more people are not excited about this fight. This is my second fight I am going to this year. Last was Martinez-Pavlik. He won a lot of fans that night. He's my favorite champ right now. Who will he NOT fight Tell you this much. He'd beat mayweather's ass to a pulp.

[Rantcatrat]

Unless he has simply thought fuck the catch weight? Maybe he just plans on coming in heavier and paying the penalty.

Unlikely, but could be

Martinez has never struggled with weight. In the Williams Martinez fight he rehydrated about 6lbs and in the Pavlik fight it was even less.

I can lose 12 lbs of water weight in a day, and I weight 145. A professional athlete and I had to lose 20lbs in 4 weeks, that makes it come down to about 2lbs a week, which is a lot more doable.

Martinez is not like Mayweather. A fighter who lures a Featherweight to "catchweight Welter" and bends the scales while laughing it off. I mean that was about the lowest you can go in my book. He's no better than Joan Guzman.

Martinez has character, and he shows up to work with his gloves because they make him wear them. They still gotta remind Mayweather to take his wife-beater (for you brits this is a style of shirt for us cookie americans. just watch the jersey shore. That's all the guys wear) off I guess when goes anywhere....

I am shocked more people are not excited about this fight. This is my second fight I am going to this year. Last was Martinez-Pavlik. He won a lot of fans that night. He's my favorite champ right now. Who will he NOT fight Tell you this much. He'd beat mayweather's ass to a pulp.

I'll be there too. And this is the #4 v. #5 p4p fighters going at it. And they are entertaining to watch. And their first fight was a fight of the year contender. And Zsolt Erdei is on the card in his first stateside fight. And rumor has it that Guerrero could appear on the card as well.

Let's assume Martinez healthily drops 10 pounds to 166 in the next week, can you drop 10 pounds in water weight on the day of? Also, does anyone have evidence that Sergio has done this in the past and that this is normal?

[Taeth]

Unless he has simply thought fuck the catch weight? Maybe he just plans on coming in heavier and paying the penalty.

Unlikely, but could be

Martinez has never struggled with weight. In the Williams Martinez fight he rehydrated about 6lbs and in the Pavlik fight it was even less.

I can lose 12 lbs of water weight in a day, and I weight 145. A professional athlete and I had to lose 20lbs in 4 weeks, that makes it come down to about 2lbs a week, which is a lot more doable.

Martinez is not like Mayweather. A fighter who lures a Featherweight to "catchweight Welter" and bends the scales while laughing it off. I mean that was about the lowest you can go in my book. He's no better than Joan Guzman.

Martinez has character, and he shows up to work with his gloves because they make him wear them. They still gotta remind Mayweather to take his wife-beater (for you brits this is a style of shirt for us cookie americans. just watch the jersey shore. That's all the guys wear) off I guess when goes anywhere....

I am shocked more people are not excited about this fight. This is my second fight I am going to this year. Last was Martinez-Pavlik. He won a lot of fans that night. He's my favorite champ right now. Who will he NOT fight Tell you this much. He'd beat mayweather's ass to a pulp.

Mayweather would destroy Martinez... Who are you trying to kid? Martinez plays everything off just speed, he never sits on his punches, he literally relies on athleticism more than Roy Jones or Gamboa, but he doesn't have their instincts or skill. Mayweather would absolutely pick him apart. Both Williams and Martinez are way too highly ranked, and given way too much credit. I do think they are really talented fighters, but Paul WIlliams is no Hearns caliber tall guy he just a tall good athlete who throws and lot of arm punches and is wide open defenisvely, and Martinez is no Mayweather, Pacquiao level speed guy. He has none of the killer instinct, power, and combinations of Pacquiao, and none of Mayweather's defensive genius, instincts, and timing.

[Manuel "Chubby" Medina]

I dnt think Martinez would go careless lik that. Hiz obviously already used to losing weight right before the fight. I also have Martinez winning by TKO.

[armin]

I didn't read anything in this thread but taeths post of pbf would beat the shit out of martinez. Granted I;m drunk but really MArtinez is way bigger naturally than mayweahter no way does pbf "destroy" martinez he might beat him but not destroy him!!! When is the last time pbf has destroyed anone for that matter??/

[Taeth]

I didn't read anything in this thread but taeths post of pbf would beat the shit out of martinez. Granted I;m drunk but really MArtinez is way bigger naturally than mayweahter no way does pbf "destroy" martinez he might beat him but not destroy him!!! When is the last time pbf has destroyed anone for that matter??/

YOu are taking words too literally, I mean that he would embarrass him in there like he did Marquez, Mosley, Hatton, etc, etc.

[Rantcatrat]

Unless he has simply thought fuck the catch weight? Maybe he just plans on coming in heavier and paying the penalty.

Unlikely, but could be

Martinez has never struggled with weight. In the Williams Martinez fight he rehydrated about 6lbs and in the Pavlik fight it was even less.

I can lose 12 lbs of water weight in a day, and I weight 145. A professional athlete and I had to lose 20lbs in 4 weeks, that makes it come down to about 2lbs a week, which is a lot more doable.

Martinez is not like Mayweather. A fighter who lures a Featherweight to "catchweight Welter" and bends the scales while laughing it off. I mean that was about the lowest you can go in my book. He's no better than Joan Guzman.

Martinez has character, and he shows up to work with his gloves because they make him wear them. They still gotta remind Mayweather to take his wife-beater (for you brits this is a style of shirt for us cookie americans. just watch the jersey shore. That's all the guys wear) off I guess when goes anywhere....

I am shocked more people are not excited about this fight. This is my second fight I am going to this year. Last was Martinez-Pavlik. He won a lot of fans that night. He's my favorite champ right now. Who will he NOT fight Tell you this much. He'd beat mayweather's ass to a pulp.

Mayweather would destroy Martinez... Who are you trying to kid? Martinez plays everything off just speed, he never sits on his punches, he literally relies on athleticism more than Roy Jones or Gamboa, but he doesn't have their instincts or skill. Mayweather would absolutely pick him apart. Both Williams and Martinez are way too highly ranked, and given way too much credit. I do think they are really talented fighters, but Paul WIlliams is no Hearns caliber tall guy he just a tall good athlete who throws and lot of arm punches and is wide open defenisvely, and Martinez is no Mayweather, Pacquiao level speed guy. He has none of the killer instinct, power, and combinations of Pacquiao, and none of Mayweather's defensive genius, instincts, and timing.

I disagree that Martinez is too highly ranked. Martinez beat the middleweight champion of the world at the same time he was holding the junior middleweight champion belt. He has fought prime versions of Cintron, Williams, Pavlik, Williams II in his last four fights. He fought Williams when most people said Williams was the most feared fighter on the planet. Shane and Floyd wouldn't fight Williams. Even Pavlik, whether his reason to not fight was true, wouldn't fight him.

Think about it. Mayweather has fought Ricky Hatton who regularly fought at 140 (at 147), Marquez who regularly fought at 130-135 (at 147), and a 38-year old Shane Mosley (personally, I think it was a good win). You tell me: What's the tougher competition? Maybe Mayweather is better, but we can both agree he could do more to show it.

Lastly, explain why you think Mayweather would beat Williams when Mayweather himself has been on record saying he thinks Williams is too big to fight? I don't have the time to listen to it all right now, but it's somewhere in the Ra the Rugged Man interview.

[Taeth]

Unless he has simply thought fuck the catch weight? Maybe he just plans on coming in heavier and paying the penalty.

Unlikely, but could be

Martinez has never struggled with weight. In the Williams Martinez fight he rehydrated about 6lbs and in the Pavlik fight it was even less.

I can lose 12 lbs of water weight in a day, and I weight 145. A professional athlete and I had to lose 20lbs in 4 weeks, that makes it come down to about 2lbs a week, which is a lot more doable.

Martinez is not like Mayweather. A fighter who lures a Featherweight to "catchweight Welter" and bends the scales while laughing it off. I mean that was about the lowest you can go in my book. He's no better than Joan Guzman.

Martinez has character, and he shows up to work with his gloves because they make him wear them. They still gotta remind Mayweather to take his wife-beater (for you brits this is a style of shirt for us cookie americans. just watch the jersey shore. That's all the guys wear) off I guess when goes anywhere....

I am shocked more people are not excited about this fight. This is my second fight I am going to this year. Last was Martinez-Pavlik. He won a lot of fans that night. He's my favorite champ right now. Who will he NOT fight Tell you this much. He'd beat mayweather's ass to a pulp.

Mayweather would destroy Martinez... Who are you trying to kid? Martinez plays everything off just speed, he never sits on his punches, he literally relies on athleticism more than Roy Jones or Gamboa, but he doesn't have their instincts or skill. Mayweather would absolutely pick him apart. Both Williams and Martinez are way too highly ranked, and given way too much credit. I do think they are really talented fighters, but Paul WIlliams is no Hearns caliber tall guy he just a tall good athlete who throws and lot of arm punches and is wide open defenisvely, and Martinez is no Mayweather, Pacquiao level speed guy. He has none of the killer instinct, power, and combinations of Pacquiao, and none of Mayweather's defensive genius, instincts, and timing.

I disagree that Martinez is too highly ranked. Martinez beat the middleweight champion of the world at the same time he was holding the junior middleweight champion belt. He has fought prime versions of Cintron, Williams, Pavlik, Williams II in his last four fights. He fought Williams when most people said Williams was the most feared fighter on the planet. Shane and Floyd wouldn't fight Williams. Even Pavlik, whether his reason to not fight was true, wouldn't fight him.

Think about it. Mayweather has fought Ricky Hatton who regularly fought at 140 (at 147), Marquez who regularly fought at 130-135 (at 147), and a 38-year old Shane Mosley (personally, I think it was a good win). You tell me: What's the tougher competition? Maybe Mayweather is better, but we can both agree he could do more to show it.

Lastly, explain why you think Mayweather would beat Williams when Mayweather himself has been on record saying he thinks Williams is too big to fight? I don't have the time to listen to it all right now, but it's somewhere in the Ra the Rugged Man interview.

Marquez and Mosley were ranked 2nd, and 3rd p4p, and are way better fights than Cintron and Pavlik regardless of age. Hell a 44 or 45 year old Hopkins kicked the crap out of Pavlik, and Pavlik had a hard time going back down to 160. He was never that special to begin with. Cintron? He is a good fighter, but not p4p type guy, and certainly not a guy that would give Mayweather half the trouble he gave Martinez in that fight, I don't think he deserved a draw let alone being allowed to complete the fight, but he was giving Martinez problems in some parts of that fight.

Back to Mayweather's opposition, Marquez was smaller but Mayweather was naturally about a weightclass above Marquez, Marquez didn't try to become a welterweight in size, he tried to use speeda against Mayweather who outsped and outboxed him. Floyd didn't use size in this fight, and he wasn't that much bigger maybe an inch and a half taller and 4 pounds heavier. Also FLoyd hadn't fought in almost 2 years.

Hatton started his career 10 pounds north of Floyd, and was naturally the bigger man, Floyd is a blown up super featherweight, he is still pretty lanky, and even Marquez had bigger bicepts, chest, and thighs than Mayweather. Hatton was much naturally stronger than Floyd, and you could see in the ring how he always backed Floyd up, and how a few times he moved Floyd around with relative ease.

Mosley, Everyone was bitching about Floyd not facing Mosley or Pacquiao when he first came back, but after his comeback fight Floyd fought the best WW in the world, the guy who destroyed Margarito(a guy who ko'ed Martinez).

YOu said that Mayweather can do a better job proving his greatness? Besides Pacquiao then who next, Floyd's last 4 opponents read De La Hoya(not weight drained), Hatton, Marquez, Mosley. Give the guy a break.

[Rantcatrat]

Unless he has simply thought fuck the catch weight? Maybe he just plans on coming in heavier and paying the penalty.

Unlikely, but could be

Martinez has never struggled with weight. In the Williams Martinez fight he rehydrated about 6lbs and in the Pavlik fight it was even less.

I can lose 12 lbs of water weight in a day, and I weight 145. A professional athlete and I had to lose 20lbs in 4 weeks, that makes it come down to about 2lbs a week, which is a lot more doable.

Martinez is not like Mayweather. A fighter who lures a Featherweight to "catchweight Welter" and bends the scales while laughing it off. I mean that was about the lowest you can go in my book. He's no better than Joan Guzman.

Martinez has character, and he shows up to work with his gloves because they make him wear them. They still gotta remind Mayweather to take his wife-beater (for you brits this is a style of shirt for us cookie americans. just watch the jersey shore. That's all the guys wear) off I guess when goes anywhere....

I am shocked more people are not excited about this fight. This is my second fight I am going to this year. Last was Martinez-Pavlik. He won a lot of fans that night. He's my favorite champ right now. Who will he NOT fight Tell you this much. He'd beat mayweather's ass to a pulp.

Mayweather would destroy Martinez... Who are you trying to kid? Martinez plays everything off just speed, he never sits on his punches, he literally relies on athleticism more than Roy Jones or Gamboa, but he doesn't have their instincts or skill. Mayweather would absolutely pick him apart. Both Williams and Martinez are way too highly ranked, and given way too much credit. I do think they are really talented fighters, but Paul WIlliams is no Hearns caliber tall guy he just a tall good athlete who throws and lot of arm punches and is wide open defenisvely, and Martinez is no Mayweather, Pacquiao level speed guy. He has none of the killer instinct, power, and combinations of Pacquiao, and none of Mayweather's defensive genius, instincts, and timing.

I disagree that Martinez is too highly ranked. Martinez beat the middleweight champion of the world at the same time he was holding the junior middleweight champion belt. He has fought prime versions of Cintron, Williams, Pavlik, Williams II in his last four fights. He fought Williams when most people said Williams was the most feared fighter on the planet. Shane and Floyd wouldn't fight Williams. Even Pavlik, whether his reason to not fight was true, wouldn't fight him.

Think about it. Mayweather has fought Ricky Hatton who regularly fought at 140 (at 147), Marquez who regularly fought at 130-135 (at 147), and a 38-year old Shane Mosley (personally, I think it was a good win). You tell me: What's the tougher competition? Maybe Mayweather is better, but we can both agree he could do more to show it.

Lastly, explain why you think Mayweather would beat Williams when Mayweather himself has been on record saying he thinks Williams is too big to fight? I don't have the time to listen to it all right now, but it's somewhere in the Ra the Rugged Man interview.

Marquez and Mosley were ranked 2nd, and 3rd p4p, and are way better fights than Cintron and Pavlik regardless of age. Hell a 44 or 45 year old Hopkins kicked the crap out of Pavlik, and Pavlik had a hard time going back down to 160. He was never that special to begin with. Cintron? He is a good fighter, but not p4p type guy, and certainly not a guy that would give Mayweather half the trouble he gave Martinez in that fight, I don't think he deserved a draw let alone being allowed to complete the fight, but he was giving Martinez problems in some parts of that fight.

Back to Mayweather's opposition, Marquez was smaller but Mayweather was naturally about a weightclass above Marquez, Marquez didn't try to become a welterweight in size, he tried to use speeda against Mayweather who outsped and outboxed him.Floyd didn't use size in this fight, and he wasn't that much bigger maybe an inch and a half taller and 4 pounds heavier. Also FLoyd hadn't fought in almost 2 years.

Hatton started his career 10 pounds north of Floyd, and was naturally the bigger man, Floyd is a blown up super featherweight, he is still pretty lanky, and even Marquez had bigger bicepts, chest, and thighs than Mayweather. Hatton was much naturally stronger than Floyd, and you could see in the ring how he always backed Floyd up, and how a few times he moved Floyd around with relative ease.

Mosley, Everyone was bitching about Floyd not facing Mosley or Pacquiao when he first came back, but after his comeback fight Floyd fought the best WW in the world, the guy who destroyed Margarito(a guy who ko'ed Martinez).

YOu said that Mayweather can do a better job proving his greatness? Besides Pacquiao then who next, Floyd's last 4 opponents read De La Hoya(not weight drained), Hatton, Marquez, Mosley. Give the guy a break.

There is no real way to rationalize the Marquez fight other than to say that he needed a warm-up after being retired. Before Floyd, Marquez had never fought at 140, let alone 147. To say that he didn't use his size, is blatently wrong. He didn't use his size like Kiltscho, but he used his size to maintain range and counter punch. It's still using his size. And even then, he didn't come in at the contracted weight. He came in 2 pounds heavier. If size wasn't an issue, why didn't he make 145? And now what is Marquez doing - he is fighting at 135! 12 pounds less than when he fought Floyd. Seriously, Floyd got flack for that fight and there was a reason for it.

Certainly, Marquez and Mosley are better p4p fighters than Pavlik. But, Marquez is a natural jr. lightweight/lightweight. It's like saying that Chad Dawson would get more credit for beating Paul Williams/Sergio Martinez (top middleweights and p4p fighters) than a lesser guy at 175, like say Zsolt Erdei. It doesn't make any sense. Sure, Marquez is great, but at 135, not 147. I'll say this, I pick Andre Berto etc. to knock out Marquez with ease at 147, but Marquez may have better boxing skills on the whole. Make sense?

Now, the Shane Mosley fight was a legit win. Credit due.

Ricky Hatton was not in anyway the force at 147 that he was at 140. Don't get me wrong, Floyd would have beat him at 140 too. But, I would have given Floyd more credit for beating Ricky at the weight he had been best at. Didn't Collazo basically beat Hatton, and Collazo is not even a top, top welterweight.

One more thing, a 44-year old Hopkins beat Pavlik at 170. Not at 160. Don't forget that. Pavlik was the linear middleweight world champion. Sergio beat him. You probably know the sport's history better than I do, Taeth, has Floyd ever beat a linear champion? When Sergio fought Pavlik, Pavlik had never been beat at 160. I take a win over Pavlik at Pavlik's natural weight as comparable to a win over Hatton or Marquez. Here's the thing, Floyd is the p4p best in the world. Martinez isn't. There isn't a debate on that point. So, really, if you think about it, you shouldn't even be able to compare Sergio Martinez's recent wins to Mayweather's, right?

And you don't even respond to the part about Paul Williams. Why is that? And as of this point next month, Sergio will have stepped in the ring with him twice. I'm sorry but that garners respect. I just want to see Floyd fight Williams once.

What you are telling me is that Shane Mosley/Juan Manuel Marquez/Ricky Hatton are tougher fights than Paul Williams? Seriously? Shane wouldn't even fight Paul Williams.

This whole argument is besides the point of the post. But, before we finish it, Taeth, who do you want to see Floyd fight if it isn't Pacquiao (who for the record, I think he would beat)?

[killersheep]

Unless he has simply thought fuck the catch weight? Maybe he just plans on coming in heavier and paying the penalty.

Unlikely, but could be

Martinez has never struggled with weight. In the Williams Martinez fight he rehydrated about 6lbs and in the Pavlik fight it was even less.

I can lose 12 lbs of water weight in a day, and I weight 145. A professional athlete and I had to lose 20lbs in 4 weeks, that makes it come down to about 2lbs a week, which is a lot more doable.

Martinez is not like Mayweather. A fighter who lures a Featherweight to "catchweight Welter" and bends the scales while laughing it off. I mean that was about the lowest you can go in my book. He's no better than Joan Guzman.

Martinez has character, and he shows up to work with his gloves because they make him wear them. They still gotta remind Mayweather to take his wife-beater (for you brits this is a style of shirt for us cookie americans. just watch the jersey shore. That's all the guys wear) off I guess when goes anywhere....

I am shocked more people are not excited about this fight. This is my second fight I am going to this year. Last was Martinez-Pavlik. He won a lot of fans that night. He's my favorite champ right now. Who will he NOT fight Tell you this much. He'd beat mayweather's ass to a pulp.

Mayweather would destroy Martinez... Who are you trying to kid? Martinez plays everything off just speed, he never sits on his punches, he literally relies on athleticism more than Roy Jones or Gamboa, but he doesn't have their instincts or skill. Mayweather would absolutely pick him apart. Both Williams and Martinez are way too highly ranked, and given way too much credit. I do think they are really talented fighters, but Paul WIlliams is no Hearns caliber tall guy he just a tall good athlete who throws and lot of arm punches and is wide open defenisvely, and Martinez is no Mayweather, Pacquiao level speed guy. He has none of the killer instinct, power, and combinations of Pacquiao, and none of Mayweather's defensive genius, instincts, and timing.

I disagree that Martinez is too highly ranked. Martinez beat the middleweight champion of the world at the same time he was holding the junior middleweight champion belt. He has fought prime versions of Cintron, Williams, Pavlik, Williams II in his last four fights. He fought Williams when most people said Williams was the most feared fighter on the planet. Shane and Floyd wouldn't fight Williams. Even Pavlik, whether his reason to not fight was true, wouldn't fight him.

Think about it. Mayweather has fought Ricky Hatton who regularly fought at 140 (at 147), Marquez who regularly fought at 130-135 (at 147), and a 38-year old Shane Mosley (personally, I think it was a good win). You tell me: What's the tougher competition? Maybe Mayweather is better, but we can both agree he could do more to show it.

Lastly, explain why you think Mayweather would beat Williams when Mayweather himself has been on record saying he thinks Williams is too big to fight? I don't have the time to listen to it all right now, but it's somewhere in the Ra the Rugged Man interview.

Marquez and Mosley were ranked 2nd, and 3rd p4p, and are way better fights than Cintron and Pavlik regardless of age. Hell a 44 or 45 year old Hopkins kicked the crap out of Pavlik, and Pavlik had a hard time going back down to 160. He was never that special to begin with. Cintron? He is a good fighter, but not p4p type guy, and certainly not a guy that would give Mayweather half the trouble he gave Martinez in that fight, I don't think he deserved a draw let alone being allowed to complete the fight, but he was giving Martinez problems in some parts of that fight.

Back to Mayweather's opposition, Marquez was smaller but Mayweather was naturally about a weightclass above Marquez, Marquez didn't try to become a welterweight in size, he tried to use speeda against Mayweather who outsped and outboxed him.Floyd didn't use size in this fight, and he wasn't that much bigger maybe an inch and a half taller and 4 pounds heavier. Also FLoyd hadn't fought in almost 2 years.

Hatton started his career 10 pounds north of Floyd, and was naturally the bigger man, Floyd is a blown up super featherweight, he is still pretty lanky, and even Marquez had bigger bicepts, chest, and thighs than Mayweather. Hatton was much naturally stronger than Floyd, and you could see in the ring how he always backed Floyd up, and how a few times he moved Floyd around with relative ease.

Mosley, Everyone was bitching about Floyd not facing Mosley or Pacquiao when he first came back, but after his comeback fight Floyd fought the best WW in the world, the guy who destroyed Margarito(a guy who ko'ed Martinez).

YOu said that Mayweather can do a better job proving his greatness? Besides Pacquiao then who next, Floyd's last 4 opponents read De La Hoya(not weight drained), Hatton, Marquez, Mosley. Give the guy a break.

There is no real way to rationalize the Marquez fight other than to say that he needed a warm-up after being retired. Before Floyd, Marquez had never fought at 140, let alone 147. To say that he didn't use his size, is blatently wrong. He didn't use his size like Kiltscho, but he used his size to maintain range and counter punch. It's still using his size. And even then, he didn't come in at the contracted weight. He came in 2 pounds heavier. If size wasn't an issue, why didn't he make 145? And now what is Marquez doing - he is fighting at 135! 12 pounds less than when he fought Floyd. Seriously, Floyd got flack for that fight and there was a reason for it.

Certainly, Marquez and Mosley are better p4p fighters than Pavlik. But, Marquez is a natural jr. lightweight/lightweight. It's like saying that Chad Dawson would get more credit for beating Paul Williams/Sergio Martinez (top middleweights and p4p fighters) than a lesser guy at 175, like say Zsolt Erdei. It doesn't make any sense. Sure, Marquez is great, but at 135, not 147. I'll say this, I pick Andre Berto etc. to knock out Marquez with ease at 147, but Marquez may have better boxing skills on the whole. Make sense?

Now, the Shane Mosley fight was a legit win. Credit due.

Ricky Hatton was not in anyway the force at 147 that he was at 140. Don't get me wrong, Floyd would have beat him at 140 too. But, I would have given Floyd more credit for beating Ricky at the weight he had been best at. Didn't Collazo basically beat Hatton, and Collazo is not even a top, top welterweight.

One more thing, a 44-year old Hopkins beat Pavlik at 170. Not at 160. Don't forget that. Pavlik was the linear middleweight world champion. Sergio beat him. You probably know the sport's history better than I do, Taeth, has Floyd ever beat a linear champion? When Sergio fought Pavlik, Pavlik had never been beat at 160. I take a win over Pavlik at Pavlik's natural weight as comparable to a win over Hatton or Marquez. Here's the thing, Floyd is the p4p best in the world. Martinez isn't. There isn't a debate on that point. So, really, if you think about it, you shouldn't even be able to compare Sergio Martinez's recent wins to Mayweather's, right?

And you don't even respond to the part about Paul Williams. Why is that? And as of this point next month, Sergio will have stepped in the ring with him twice. I'm sorry but that garners respect. I just want to see Floyd fight Williams once.

What you are telling me is that Shane Mosley/Juan Manuel Marquez/Ricky Hatton are tougher fights than Paul Williams? Seriously? Shane wouldn't even fight Paul Williams.

This whole argument is besides the point of the post. But, before we finish it, Taeth, who do you want to see Floyd fight if it isn't Pacquiao (who for the record, I think he would beat)?

Floyd beat Baldomachina when he was the lineal WW champ................................carry on.

[TheMacMagician]

Unless he has simply thought fuck the catch weight? Maybe he just plans on coming in heavier and paying the penalty.

Unlikely, but could be

That thought certainly had crossed my mind when reading about this earlier. Who knows. I have a feeling that Williams is gonna make a run at WW after this and maybe thats why he wanted to keep that extra little bit of weight off. Plus, I'm willing to bet that Martinez has more pop than Williams does at 160.

[Cressa121]

Martinez is one of my favourite fighters at the minute, so I'm really looking forward to this rematch, particularly after their first fight. It seems risky leaving so much weight to take off in so little time, although if he regularly does this there shouldn't be too much of a problem. It would be interesting to see how often he does do this though, it does seem like an awful lot to take off

[No Contest]

Williams is a freak of nature. Welterweights wont fight him, I doubt any ww champs have the balls to fight him. I think he could make ww still, but that window is closing, some douche will probably call him out at ww, once he shows trouble making it. I think PW is the most underrated boxer right now, people actually think Kermit Cintron was gonna beat him if that fight went on, thats the kind of credit he gets. If he never lost that Quintana fight I wonder what people would be saying?

[Spicoli]

Telling ya,weights are incidental for this one. Its unfortunately becoming more common with catch weight crap'olla. Sacrafice enough greenbacks and they will both wink and nod. I expect Williams to come in the ring well north of agreed number 'unofficially'. Martinez won't melt away and it'll still come off. More and more I think Martinez wins this via bloody and standing TKO on Williams in the late rounds. Great rematch and should see many fireworks before its all said and done.