lance,
how am I killing our sport?
lance,
how am I killing our sport?
From fight news:
"Regarding the WBC/WBO unification fight vs. Tim Bradley in January 29, 2011, the WBC will only recognize Alexander as WBC/WBO champion if he wins, but not Bradley if he wins. This stems from Bradley opting to relinquish the WBC belt prior to his unification with then WBO champ Kendall Holt."
THis is the WBC. They consistently do things that are harmful to the sport. They are a cancer, and your support of them, only fuels the flame.
Milmas.... do we really have to state the hundred of wrongdoing Sulaiman did these last years? The shady judgments, having 2 people holding the same belt at the same time and so on? The guy drove the WBC to a total disgrace.
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That's the way it is, not the way it ends
Not to mention those diamond belts and golden belts or whatever the fuck he gives out to get more money.
jose sulaiman probably isn't the most honorable man in boxing but aside from boxers, who are? everybody is in it for the money. and besides, where would boxing be without these sanctioning bodies? i am all for a u.s. commission created to regulate the machinations of boxing but right now, there isn't one. the wbc, wba, ibf, and wbo is all we have along with other junior organizations.
i will admit that these sanctioning bodies have done some pretty stupid things to the sport but then again, they've also done alot of positive things. and if anyone wants to know what they are, they can look them up at these organizations websites.
jose sulaiman has done a lot of good for the safety of boxers. i read recently that the wbc intervened when then champion omar nino romero was erroneously stripped of his world title after his rematch with brian viloria, because his urine test came out positive and then later on it was proven that it was all a lie. omar nino romero did not deserve his title to be taken away.
say what you will about sulaiman but i think he has the most viable and legit organization in boxing. and until something better comes up, these organizations are all we've got!
The top boxers don't need them, as Mosley and Mayweather have proven when they both said fuck the WBA title or any title and just fought, it still was a big money maker with 1.4 million PPV buys. Of course Sulaiman came out and complain that the big fight didn't involve 1 of the shady organizations. The little no name boxers might need them to attract attention to a "world title" fight and make money, but not the big stars.
And where would boxing be without these organizations? In much better shape I would bet.
bulldog,
i agree that boxing would be better without them but it is what it is, until something else better comes along, it's all we've got!
Belts don't make the fighter and matches as far as the networks and increasingly the fans are concerned. The down side is lesser known fighters will never achieve the spotlights equally so in fairness a "championship" helps them on that road and spreads opportunity. Though it also results in Andre Berto's who hasn't proven jack on a championship high level. Just saying. They continue to basically be a selling point and avenue to rake in fat pockets for hype merchants like Sulaiman and cronies. The W.e B.e C.ollecting and alphabet soups water down an already heavily scrutinized sport. Also Sulaiman hates kittens.
Here is what Jose Sulaiman and his corrupt friends have been up to since last year:
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From Dan Rafael of ESPN
"Not only is the WBC disgusting, it's also stupid. It awarded Rafael Marquez the idiotic "silver belt" at junior featherweight even though he won it as a featherweight when he stopped Israel Vazquez in their fourth fight in May. So let me see if I have this right: Now you can win a WBC trinket in a division in which you didn't even compete? Beautiful. No more making weight to win a title! You know what the means right? Any day now we ought to see Jose Luis Castillo come in as a welterweight but be awarded the lightweight silver strap. What will they think of next"
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According to Dan Rafael's weekly chat, Jose Sulaiman is pressuring Sergio Martinez to vacate the WBC middleweight title, because Sulaiman wants to make Chaves Jr. vs Duddy for the WBC Middleweight championship of the world.
Here's the kicker: the WBC already has a interim WBC middleweight champion.
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THis is funny. Essentially, Israel Vasquez refused to purchase a "silver" title off of Jose Sulaiman, so the fat little monkey of a man, sent him an angry letter demanding that he return the last wbc title that was given to him last year.
Sulaiman, WBC now sticking it to Vazquez
May, 26, 2010
From Dan Rafael
WBC president for life Jose Sulaiman, the tyrannical one, is at it yet again. Well, not exactly -- because "at it again" would indicate that at some point he actually stopped his wicked ways. But they apparently will never end.
In March, El Presidente threatened to take away the junior welterweight belt held by Devon Alexander for the ghastly crime of -- hold onto your hat -- wanting to fight fellow titleholder Timothy Bradley! For shame! How dare Alexander even think of something so objectionable!
In April, Sulaiman tried to shake down Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Shane Mosley for $45,000 for the symbolic (of nothing) diamond belt. I guess there must have been another payment due to Graciano Rocchigiani. Mayweather and Mosley both refused to fight for the belt and, believe it or not, the sun still came up the next morning, probably to the chagrin of the president for life.
(As an aside, because Manny Pacquiao defeated Miguel Cotto last fall and accepted the diamond belt in the same welterweight division that Mayweather and Mosley fight in, had the winner of their May 1 bout paid for the diamond belt, would he have been the interim diamond belt champion? But I digress.)
This month, Sulaiman turned his ire on Israel Vazquez, the Mexican warrior who has probably spilled a gallon of blood over the years defending the WBC junior featherweight title.
Vazquez, of course, met Rafael Marquez for the fourth time last week in the final chapter of their glorious, all-time rivalry. Their first three classic fights were for the WBC's 122-pound title. The fourth fight, at featherweight, was not a championship bout -- not that it mattered to anybody.
As usual, however, the WBC believes that the boxing world revolves around the WBC and that, naturally, it had to insert itself into the fight in some way. It wanted Marquez and Vazquez to fight for its "silver belt," whatever the hell that is. Originally, the WBC announced that this newly created bizarre little title would replace the interim belts it had been handing out like candy on Halloween. Since Vazquez and Marquez had fought only once apiece at featherweight and had been out of the ring for ages, neither of them really qualified for an interim belt. But a silver belt? They could have that for the right price.
Sulaiman said the WBC voted unanimously to award the belt to the winner. That must be how the president for life keeps getting elected unanimously over and over whenever his term is up, as happens in third-world countries run by dictators.
Anyway, Marquez and promoter Gary Shaw went along with the scam. I have no idea why, but that is certainly their prerogative. If Marquez wants to waste his hard-earned money by paying a sanctioning fee for a worthless title, that's his business.
But it is also the prerogative of Vazquez to decline, and that's what he, manager Frank Espinoza and Golden Boy promoter Richard Schaefer did, having fended off several overtures from Sulaiman.
The president for life didn't like the decision. How dare Vazquez refuse to fight for his pointless/meaningless/expensive/garbage trinket! How dare he refuse to pay up!
Espinoza had declined the invitation to fight for the belt in a letter to the WBC a month before the May 22 fight. The feeling on the Vazquez side was that he was near the end of his career and wanted to keep as much of his career-high payday of $800,000 as possible. There was no need to spend thousands of dollars on a title, especially one that was basically meaningless. In other words, thanks for the offer, but no thanks. Good for Vazquez.
But that wasn't good enough for Sulaiman, who continued to pursue Vazquez. The holier-than-thou president for life couldn't handle the rejection because, after all, the boxing world is supposed to revolve around him and his fiefdom, where no members of his puppet board of governors ever tell him no. (Or maybe there was yet another payment due to Rocchigiani?)
Sulaiman, filled with righteous indignation, wrote a hysterical letter back to Espinoza, blasting them for rejecting the silver belt.
The president for life even had the audacity to demand that Vazquez return his "emeritus" championship belt, which Vazquez had been given during a long layoff while recovering from eye injuries suffered against Marquez during WBC title fights. In reality, Vazquez had been stripped of the real title and tossed aside because he couldn't defend it for an extended period, thereby costing the WBC money. The WBC then gave Vazquez the nonsense "emeritus" title and moved on without him. Until, of course, it could suck a few more bucks out of him for a silver belt.
In part, here is what Sulaiman wrote to Espinoza, and pardon the grammar and run-on sentences, for which I will cut him some slack because English is not his first language:
"I would never believe that you, much less Israel, would take such an action stepping shamelessly on the organization and the person that have placed every step of the ladder in the whole career of Israel Vazquez, including his election as Emeritus WBC World Champion, after his surgery, when no one was sure that he would come back to boxing, [a] crown to which very few and selected champions have ever been appointed to.
"At the 78 years of my life, to accept something so cynical, disrespectful and unfair for the WBC and myself -- as your decision is, without a doubt -- is just leading me to doubt if my nonprofit 66 years [of] life in boxing has been worth it. Yours Mr. Espinoza, is a shameless and inhuman action, as there is not one single minute of my knowing you and Israel that I have not offered you my unlimited and full support, and your action has been so morally hurting to me that I cannot keep it to myself, as I have always done in the past.
"I kindly ask you to please return to the WBC the Emeritus Championship belt, which was presented to Israel with your presence in a special press ceremony in Mexico City. … This is an experience that I will never forget for the rest of my period in life."
I could laugh for a day at that hilarious, sanctimonious crap. The pure lunacy from the president for life is something that I will never forget, either.
Jose Sulaiman and WBC are now sticking it to Israel Vazquez - ESPN
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From Dan Rafael's Blog:
Yet another of the billion-plus reasons why the WBC is an absolutely disgusting organization: In the May rankings, president for life Jose Sulaiman and his puppets rank Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. No. 1 in the junior middleweight division (which, by the way, he doesn't even fight in any more). There are no words to describe the utter fraudulence of such a rating. Almost as big of a joke is Antonio Margarito -- out for 16 months for trying to cheat with loaded gloves against Mosley before returning to win a nothing fight at 154 pounds a couple of weeks ago -- being absurdly ranked No. 2. There should be an investigation.
Oscar De La Hoya has been missing in action - ESPN
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New WBC handwraps policy: For safety or profit?
Kelly Pavlik sat on a folding chair in his dressing room late Saturday night at Boardwalk Hall in Atlantic City, N.J. Blood seeped from ugly cuts above both eyes. Twenty minutes earlier, he’d lost a hotly-contested battle to Sergio Martinez and, with it, the middleweight championship of the world.
Kelly was physically and emotionally spent. Leaning forward on his chair, he spat a gob of bloody saliva onto the floor.
World Boxing Council executive secretary Mauricio Sulaiman, the son of WBC president Jose Sulaiman, and Ed Pearson, the WBC’s on-site supervisor for Pavlik-Martinez, entered the dressing room.
“The handwraps,” Mauricio said.
Over the years, the WBC has industriously collected boxing memorabilia. Much of this memorabilia, according to Mauricio, has been joyously given by fighters as a sign of respect for his father.
On occasion, fighters have been less joyful about it. On the night that Pavlik won the middleweight championship from Jermain Taylor thirty months ago, Mauricio left Kelly’s dressing room with the new champion’s trunks.
Pavlik was not pleased.
“It was a misunderstanding,” Mauricio later explained. “I was led to believe that Kelly wanted the trunks to be presented as a gift to my father because of his respect for my father and the WBC. When it was brought to my attention that Kelly wished to have the trunks back, I arranged quickly to return them.”
As was pointed out to Mauricio that night, federal law provides, “No officer or employee of a sanctioning organization may receive any compensation, gift, or benefit, directly or indirectly, from a boxer [other than a sanctioning fee].” Violation of this law is a crime punishable by up to one year in prison and a fine of $20,000.
Earlier this year, the WBC added a new wrinkle to its way of doing business. It instituted a rule requiring that the on-site supervisor at a WBC-sanctioned fight inspect each fighter’s handwraps after the fight for evidence of wrongdoing.
This was done in response to the much-publicized incident in which Antonio Margarito’s hands were found to have been improperly wrapped, according to Joe Dwyer, a member of the WBC Board of Governors.
Well and good.
Then things get not so good.
According to Dwyer, “After the on-site supervisor inspects the handwraps, he sends them to WBC headquarters in Mexico City for further inspection. Then, if necessary, they’re sent to the lab for further study.”
To Dwyer’s knowledge, there has never been a need for the WBC to send any of the handwraps to the lab for further study.
The WBC policy only makes sense if one believes that the opposing fighter’s camp (which observes the handwrapping process), the governing state athletic commission (which regulates the handwrapping process) and the on-site WBC representative (who examines the handwraps after the fight) are all incapable of doing their job.
Of course, there’s another factor to be considered. The handwraps that are sent to WBC headquarters in Mexico City are important pieces of boxing memorabilia. They have sentimental value and are sometimes worth a lot of money.
Craig Hamilton is the foremost expert on boxing memorabilia in the United States. How much does he think the handwraps from Pavlik-Martinez are worth?
“They’re nice pieces,” Hamilton answers. “With proper authentication, which you have here, I could sell the Martinez and Pavlik handwraps together for a minimum of a thousand dollars. And they might bring considerably more.”
When asked what the WBC does with the handwraps after they’re inspected in Mexico City, Dwyer answered, “I would assume they’re discarded.”
It’s hard to imagine Jose Sulaiman throwing a thousand dollars worth of boxing memorabilia in the garbage.
By Thomas Hauser
New WBC handwraps policy: For safety or profit?
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From Dan Rafael
The WBC and its president-for-life, Jose Sulaiman, are nothing more than a bunch of greedy bullies whose recent actions illustrate my longstanding assessment to a tee.
As for the bullying nature of the organization, the WBC seems to think it runs boxing and that it can call the shots -- that it can force any fighter in its rankings or a holder of one its titles to bow down and kiss the ring whenever Sulaiman snaps his greedy little fingers.
Recently, Sulaiman sent a letter via e-mail to unified junior welterweight titleholder Devon Alexander. Copied on the letter, which I got a copy of, were WBC executive Mauricio Sulaiman (Jose's son and chief excuse maker) Don King (Alexander's promoter), and Dana Jamison (King's top lieutenant).
Was it a letter congratulating Alexander on his outstanding knockout win against Juan Urango to unify titles March 6? No.
Was it a letter complimenting Alexander for being a role model, a credit to boxing and one of the most humble, respectful young men you will ever meet? Nope.
Instead it was a letter threatening Alexander's status as WBC 140-pound titleholder. Alexander's transgression? He had the audacity to say that he would like to face WBO titleholder Timothy Bradley Jr., whom many regard as the best junior welterweight in the world not named Devon Alexander.
In his letter, Sulaiman wrote, "I read today in the papers that you want to fight Timothy Bradley for the WBO championship. I appreciate the information and I kindly ask you to immediately present the resignation to the WBC championship, as it seems that our organization is not up to your stature as a boxer. The WBC green and gold belt has been the dream of many boxers in the world, but apparently it is not yours. I will be waiting for your resignation and may you have good luck in your fight."
Have you ever read something so arrogant and, frankly, delusional in your life? Let me see if I have this straight: Alexander, one of the finest fighters in the world, wants to fight another top fighter and Sulaiman takes offense? Let me tell you what I take offense to: that Sulaiman tarnishes boxing on almost a daily basis with his nonsense and by regularly forcing terrible mandatory fights and working against great matchups, like a Bradley-Alexander fight would be. Who the hell does he think he is?
Kevin Cunningham, Alexander's manager and underrated trainer, was about as stunned as I was when he read the garbage from Sulaiman.
"Devon is calling out Bradley because Bradley and Devon are considered the two best junior welterweights in the world and because that's the fight fans want to see to determine who is the best junior welterweight in the world," said Cunningham, who was disgusted by the letter and said Alexander has no intention of giving up his title.
If the WBC wants the belt back, it will have to strip Alexander and then prepare for a lawsuit. I actually hope the WBC goes for it and strips Alexander, because he would win his lawsuit and hopefully put the miserable organization out of business once and for all.
The Sulaimans did not respond to a request through their publicist for a comment.
"I've never heard of anything like this in my 45 years of living -- that a sanctioning body would want to strip its champion because he wants to fight of the best fighters out there," Cunningham said. "It's not like we are trying to avoid a mandatory. We have no problem making our mandatory when it is due. To get a letter like this is insane. How do you tell a guy to resign his title when he did nothing wrong? This sanctioning body is asking the kid to resign his title because he said he wants to fight the best guys out there? Are you [expletive] kidding me?"
I wish Sulaiman was.
Now onto the topic of the WBC's blatant and unending greed. I laughed out loud when I read a missive from Sulaiman expressing "concern" for the way sanctioning bodies use interim titles "when they should be used strictly when a champion leaves a title inactive for medical or legal problems."
The WBC, of course, is historically the worst offender in the business this side of the WBA when it comes to approving interim belts for no apparent reason. However, Sulaiman forgot to mention that he is responsible for the WBC's insane reliance on interim belts as a revenue stream.
In any event, Sulaiman said he would recommend to his puppet group of WBC governors at the annual convention in November that they institute the WBC "silver title," which would be a "substitution of an interim championship that does not represent a real title, when it is approved only for a fight without real significance."
In other words, every fight should have some dumb belt attached to it because he thinks it somehow helps the sport. Of course, the real reason is so Sulaiman can use the fees to line the WBC coffers and his own bank account because there are too many promoters, managers and fighters out there who want to keep Sulaiman happy, so they go along with what is, in essence, extortion.
I loved how Sulaiman tried to justify the invention of another bogus title by saying "ways must be found to keep the interest of boxing fans in the world, who are depending on reform that the WBC has been doing for three decades."
What an absolute joke. The WBC, with so many reprehensible rulings, worthless forced mandatory fights and numerous approved mismatches, is responsible for much of boxing's downfall over the past two decades. Adding a silver belt, like it tried to add the diamond belt for catch weight fights, is more of the same old money grab.
Here's an idea for Sulaiman, one which I will give him for free and not charge a sanction fee: How about he strip Alexander, offer him a silver belt replacement and then crawl under a rock.
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