cheating

[brucelee]

anyway i think everyone is missing the point

does it matter which is worse?

even if its miles worse the drugs cheats still cheated and they are loved

its easier to invisage plaster in a glove and the extra damage that it can do, its hard to ever tell how much extra drugs can give a fighter, i dont think you can really compare the two but they are both cheating

whom hates margs for cheating and loves hollyfield?

To answer your question based on the feelings of many members here, more people hate Margarito than Holyfield.

Btw, I agree with you regarding the cheating part. Both are cheating and must be scorned. I don't agree, however, with the punishment you would like to impose to both offenses.

People here hate Margarito more because 1) he was caught in flagrante delicto of attempting to cheat 2) there is a probability that he used plaster with his fight against Cotto and the result of that felony/crime caused an apparent damage on Cotto.

[erics44]

anyway i think everyone is missing the point

does it matter which is worse?

even if its miles worse the drugs cheats still cheated and they are loved

its easier to invisage plaster in a glove and the extra damage that it can do, its hard to ever tell how much extra drugs can give a fighter, i dont think you can really compare the two but they are both cheating

whom hates margs for cheating and loves hollyfield?

To answer your question based on the feelings of many members here, more people hate Margarito than Holyfield.

Btw, I agree with you regarding the cheating part. Both are cheating and must be scorned. I don't agree, however, with the punishment you would like to impose to both offenses.

People here hate Margarito more because 1) he was caught in flagrante delicto of attempting to cheat 2) there is a probability that he used plaster with his fight against Cotto and the result of that felony/crime caused an apparent damage on Cotto.

i agree man, i like cotto and he was on the verge of superstardon before the margs fight

i have to say i enjoyed the fight, one of my favourites in recent times

did margs win because he had loaded gloves? very possibly

but how many fighters have the drug cheats beaten whilst on drugs?

how much of the RJJ mr invincible was due to the drugs?

roach reckoned margs was using the plaster since the paul willimas fight, from there to cotto how many fights is that? 5 at a guess

how many fights was Roy on drugs for?

[brucelee]

anyway i think everyone is missing the point

does it matter which is worse?

even if its miles worse the drugs cheats still cheated and they are loved

its easier to invisage plaster in a glove and the extra damage that it can do, its hard to ever tell how much extra drugs can give a fighter, i dont think you can really compare the two but they are both cheating

whom hates margs for cheating and loves hollyfield?

To answer your question based on the feelings of many members here, more people hate Margarito than Holyfield.

Btw, I agree with you regarding the cheating part. Both are cheating and must be scorned. I don't agree, however, with the punishment you would like to impose to both offenses.

People here hate Margarito more because 1) he was caught in flagrante delicto of attempting to cheat 2) there is a probability that he used plaster with his fight against Cotto and the result of that felony/crime caused an apparent damage on Cotto.

i agree man, i like cotto and he was on the verge of superstardon before the margs fight

i have to say i enjoyed the fight, one of my favourites in recent times

did margs win because he had loaded gloves? very possibly

but how many fighters have the drug cheats beaten whilst on drugs?

how much of the RJJ mr invincible was due to the drugs?

roach reckoned margs was using the plaster since the paul willimas fight, from there to cotto how many fights is that? 5 at a guess

how many fights was Roy on drugs for?

That we don't know.

That's the reason we don't judge unless proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Sometimes, we also take into consideration the nature of the crime. Margo's crime is seen by many as more heinous and we usually abide by the rule of majority.

I understand your point of view but your debate was going nowhere. As they say it, it is an exercise to futility. LOL.

The kind of cheating Margo did is of different level because as they said it, someone already died because of it. As to the juicing part, I haven't heard/read any news that a fighter died because his opponent was juicing.

[erics44]

That we don't know.

That's the reason we don't judge unless proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Sometimes, we also take into consideration the nature of the crime. Margo's crime is seen by many as more heinous and we usually abide by the rule of majority.

I understand your point of view but your debate was going nowhere. As they say it, it is an exercise to futility. LOL.

The kind of cheating Margo did is of different level because as they said it, someone already died because of it. As to the juicing part, I haven't heard/read any news that a fighter died because his opponent was juicing.

someone dying is a fair point

how do we know the externt of the drug problem tho and what affects it has had on fighter's carears and health

i dont think the majority point is fair tho, especially on this forum, because its peoples sporting idols that we are questioning

[erics44]

aswell, everyone seems to be saying that the drug cheats are alright coz it isnt as bad as what margarito did

so if someone came along a did something worse would margarito be alright?

[Memphis]

No ones saying that, it was suggested that cheating is cheating is cheating.

It was pointed out by others that it isnt as black and white as that.

Anyone taking drugs is still a cunt.

[Tysonbruno]

Margarito should have been banned for life he could have killed someone with his loaded gloves as for Roy Jones weren't it something in a supplement drink in the end and not steroids or performance enhancing drugs. One thing that should have been done is when Pacquiao was first refusing these tests with Mayweather then all these so called rumours were coming out about his team sending Mayweather team emails and so on saying if anything was found in the tests would they keep it to themselves. What should have happened is the boxing commision should have got him in and done proper tests on him. Seems daft that all these rumours werecircling and he was refusing tests with no real reason not to take them and the boxing commision never pulled him up on it. Me personally i agree with Floyd i think the sport of boxing does need these olympic style drug tests in place the boxing commisions need to come into the 21st century and try there best to keep fighters safe and on an even playing field.

[Nameless]

aswell, everyone seems to be saying that the drug cheats are alright coz it isnt as bad as what margarito did

so if someone came along a did something worse would margarito be alright?

No. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.

[erics44]

aswell, everyone seems to be saying that the drug cheats are alright coz it isnt as bad as what margarito did

so if someone came along a did something worse would margarito be alright?

No. Steroid abuse should be sentenced with one year off the ring and a fine and a repeated offense could be life time ban or a couple of years, using a dangerous weapon in the ring should mean an automatic life ban, a la Lewis-Resto.

using steroid is a dangerous weapon

[erics44]

Margarito should have been banned for life he could have killed someone with his loaded gloves as for Roy Jones weren't it something in a supplement drink in the end and not steroids or performance enhancing drugs. One thing that should have been done is when Pacquiao was first refusing these tests with Mayweather then all these so called rumours were coming out about his team sending Mayweather team emails and so on saying if anything was found in the tests would they keep it to themselves. What should have happened is the boxing commision should have got him in and done proper tests on him. Seems daft that all these rumours werecircling and he was refusing tests with no real reason not to take them and the boxing commision never pulled him up on it. Me personally i agree with Floyd i think the sport of boxing does need these olympic style drug tests in place the boxing commisions need to come into the 21st century and try there best to keep fighters safe and on an even playing field.

i dont know the outcome of the rjj case, perhaps it wasnt steriods, i was usung that as an example

but yes, im suprised if the rumours are true about the emails that this wasnt suspicion enough to move on it straight away

[erics44]

No ones saying that, it was suggested that cheating is cheating is cheating.

It was pointed out by others that it isnt as black and white as that.

Anyone taking drugs is still a cunt.

isnt as black and white as what?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

anyway i think everyone is missing the point

No, your missing the point.

does it matter which is worse?

Yes, absolutely it does. If you take steroids then your taking illegal steps to better your prospects. If you load your gloves, it's done in one simple step. It's a cheaper than cheap shot.

even if its miles worse the drugs cheats still cheated and they are loved

I can only assume this relates to fighters who haven't been properly convicted Mosley/ Jones Jnr etc...?

its easier to invisage plaster in a glove and the extra damage that it can do, its hard to ever tell how much extra drugs can give a fighter, i dont think you can really compare the two but they are both cheating

Yep, your missing the point again. It's not directly about damage, it's about the measure of illicit short-cuts taken to inflict extra damage.

whom hates margs for cheating and loves hollyfield?

Again, this relates to the balance between accusations and actual convictions.

Boxing could and should do a lot more to enforce anti-doping but regardless, the apparent lack of competence in boxing's anti-doping regime unfortunately cannot rightfully qualify the likes of me & you to judge in it's absence.

[Memphis]

No ones saying that, it was suggested that cheating is cheating is cheating.

It was pointed out by others that it isnt as black and white as that.

Anyone taking drugs is still a cunt.

isnt as black and white as what?

Mate are you sure you havent been punched repeatedly in the head with bricks?

[erics44]

anyway i think everyone is missing the point

No, your missing the point.

does it matter which is worse?

Yes, absolutely it does. If you take steroids then your taking illegal steps to better your prospects. If you load your gloves, it's done in one simple step. It's a cheaper than cheap shot.

even if its miles worse the drugs cheats still cheated and they are loved

I can only assume this relates to fighters who haven't been properly convicted Mosley/ Jones Jnr etc...?

its easier to invisage plaster in a glove and the extra damage that it can do, its hard to ever tell how much extra drugs can give a fighter, i dont think you can really compare the two but they are both cheating

Yep, your missing the point again. It's not directly about damage, it's about the measure of illicit short-cuts taken to inflict extra damage.

whom hates margs for cheating and loves hollyfield?

Again, this relates to the balance between accusations and actual convictions.

Boxing could and should do a lot more to enforce anti-doping but regardless, the apparent lack of competence in boxing's anti-doping regime unfortunately cannot rightfully qualify the likes of me & you to judge in it's absence.

does it matter whether its a cheap shot or an expensive way to, improve your prospects?

dude common

its you who is missing the point

drug cheats are cheats, you cant exactly evaluate the advantage it gives you, but you get a big advantage

is it worse than loaded gloves? maybe maybe not, but its still a massive advantage in a fight

[erics44]

No ones saying that, it was suggested that cheating is cheating is cheating.

It was pointed out by others that it isnt as black and white as that.

Anyone taking drugs is still a cunt.

isnt as black and white as what?

Mate are you sure you havent been punched repeatedly in the head with bricks?

look dude, you said it your self, cheating is cheating is cheating

the only thing that isnt black and white is how much drugs they took, and how roided up they were

they still cheated