Is this the nail in the coffin of Pac/Mayweather?

[Majesty]

Lol @ Pacquiao's titles in 8 different weight classes when he has never officially fought at any of the actual weight's.

However, I agree...A performance like that probably wasn't the best way to entice Floyd to the table - Then again, Floyd happily took on Shane who decimated Margarito worse than Pacquaio did by the sounds of things.

Depends where Floyds head is..usually it's in his ass with all his shit going on outside of boxing.

Pretty much why I gave up following what was happening with this fight and will continue to do so until I hear an OFFICIAL source confirm it.

You don't think that's an excellent feat as it is. So why doesn't someone try that the way Manny did it, go up that several weight division and fight some of them at a catchweight? Do you think somebody will achieve that in our lifetime?

I have to admit, the way Oscar did it was a lot more impressive tbh.

[hardcore_crash]

+1 Oscar doesn't get the respect he deserves.
His competition was amazing and he liked to fight the best.

[:::PSL:::]

+1 Oscar doesn't get the respect he deserves.
His competition was amazing and he liked to fight the best.

He kept losing them though.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

guys mayweather doesnt wish to fight anyone who poses a real threat to his ZERO!!!!, he never fought cotto, margarito, pac or a better version of mosley when they were all knocking at his door.....he instead fought a limited hatton then a smaller slowed marquez.....stateing that everyone wanted him to fight marquez because marquez is p4p best hahaha.......he fought shane once shane was on his longest inactive period of his career and nearly 40, even then shane nearly ko'd him. he fought a downward oscar with stamina problems and lessing speed.....quite frankly the last 3-4 years he's taken the lesser options, the fights where he's big fav to win......when all around him there where hungry, tough, dangerous challengers......he does a great job of not taking the fights that carry a tough nights works where its close to a 50/50 call......at this stage now even if he fights pac and wins i still hold pac higher in the all tim list

[zhubin]

guys mayweather doesnt wish to fight anyone who poses a real threat to his ZERO!!!!, he never fought cotto, margarito, pac or a better version of mosley when they were all knocking at his door.....he instead fought a limited hatton then a smaller slowed marquez.....stateing that everyone wanted him to fight marquez because marquez is p4p best hahaha.......he fought shane once shane was on his longest inactive period of his career and nearly 40, even then shane nearly ko'd him. he fought a downward oscar with stamina problems and lessing speed.....quite frankly the last 3-4 years he's taken the lesser options, the fights where he's big fav to win......when all around him there where hungry, tough, dangerous challengers......he does a great job of not taking the fights that carry a tough nights works where its close to a 50/50 call......at this stage now even if he fights pac and wins i still hold pac higher in the all tim list

You can pick holes in Manny's recent fights as well. He fought an already downtrodden Hatton...a Hatton who was already dismantled by Floyd earlier. He fought a past it and weight drained Oscar...the same Oscar who Floyd fought earlier at 154 and was more of a live body. He fought a mentally and physically damaged Cotto...a fighter who never truly recovered form the illegal beat down from Margo. He fought one of the most punch shy fighters in Clottey. And last night he fought a one dimensional, slow as molasses cheater...who already is mentally weakened after his whole illegal wraps thing. He did most of this at catch weights...to insure that his already past it opponents would be further weakened. No question he would give Floyd a great fight...but Floyd would do what Marquez did to Pac...except 100 times better. Stop drinking the kool aid.

[UKPH]

guys mayweather doesnt wish to fight anyone who poses a real threat to his ZERO!!!!, he never fought cotto, margarito, pac or a better version of mosley when they were all knocking at his door.....he instead fought a limited hatton then a smaller slowed marquez.....stateing that everyone wanted him to fight marquez because marquez is p4p best hahaha.......he fought shane once shane was on his longest inactive period of his career and nearly 40, even then shane nearly ko'd him. he fought a downward oscar with stamina problems and lessing speed.....quite frankly the last 3-4 years he's taken the lesser options, the fights where he's big fav to win......when all around him there where hungry, tough, dangerous challengers......he does a great job of not taking the fights that carry a tough nights works where its close to a 50/50 call......at this stage now even if he fights pac and wins i still hold pac higher in the all tim list

You can pick holes in Manny's recent fights as well. He fought an already downtrodden Hatton...a Hatton who was already dismantled by Floyd earlier. He fought a past it and weight drained Oscar...the same Oscar who Floyd fought earlier at 154 and was more of a live body. He fought a mentally and physically damaged Cotto...a fighter who never truly recovered form the illegal beat down from Margo. He fought one of the most punch shy fighters in Clottey. And last night he fought a one dimensional, slow as molasses cheater...who already is mentally weakened after his whole illegal wraps thing. He did most of this at catch weights...to insure that his already past it opponents would be further weakened. No question he would give Floyd a great fight...but Floyd would do what Marquez did to Pac...except 100 times better. Stop drinking the kool aid.

I can agree with you that. But Hatton was best undefeated at 140 not 147 and ODLH was out of scope for Pacquiao on that time he was a 135lbs out of his league. As far i remember ODLH called and challenged Pac, who is Pacquiao on that time to call an ODLH?.

Margo was best at 147 he was beaten bu Daniel Santos @ 154 couple yrs ago thats hes on welters for almost of his career. As somebody said on other forum a 3 lbs leeway from his last best at 147. Still Marg accepted @ 150 and looks good before the fight.

What ever youd said Floyd Jr never a Cotto, Marga, Clottey.. Pac a 135 ish fighter who fights a catch 147lbr fighter fought IMO far more dangerous than a 38 year old easily stamina drained Mosley, 135 lbr Marquez, or a Baldomir.

Floyd is absulotely the best till now no doubt but the longer the much awaited fight between him and Pac @ 147. I'l give a slight edge over speed & power, activity and age with Pac while technical dept il go with Floyd Jr. 50/50 for both.

[miron_lang]

Lol @ Pacquiao's titles in 8 different weight classes when he has never officially fought at any of the actual weight's.

However, I agree...A performance like that probably wasn't the best way to entice Floyd to the table - Then again, Floyd happily took on Shane who decimated Margarito worse than Pacquaio did by the sounds of things.

Depends where Floyds head is..usually it's in his ass with all his shit going on outside of boxing.

Pretty much why I gave up following what was happening with this fight and will continue to do so until I hear an OFFICIAL source confirm it.

You don't think that's an excellent feat as it is. So why doesn't someone try that the way Manny did it, go up that several weight division and fight some of them at a catchweight? Do you think somebody will achieve that in our lifetime?

I have to admit, the way Oscar did it was a lot more impressive tbh.

Sarcasm?

Bhop's liver shot fake or not was more impressive? Im just validating mate im almost sure its a joke

[Dizaster]

Both need each other for the same reasons...

Both have detractors who constantly say they beat past it fighters, or people on the down, or weight drained, or inactive, or whatever else... Mayweather did hand pick his opponents of late, but I don't believe any of the more "legitimate" opponents out there would have caused him much more problems....

Skill and potential wise, you cannot take a single thing away from him, regardless of opponent....

And we're find the same thing with Pac... Even his win over Margarito is played down as a fight against someone who was weight drained and previously battered..

Fact is, Pac and Mayweather are in a different league than everyone else.. There is no other opponent out there that will do half the credit to each others legacy and credibility, than a win over the other... Neither will get that respect from beating anyone else...
But the fight has gotta happen soon. If for nothing else, than to keep the haters from immediately justifying the win either way by saying the other has gotten old and slowed etc...

The fact is, Pac is in absolutely sensational form and although physically he may not be what he once was, he more than makes up for that by being in his absolute prime regarding skill and overall boxing smart..
Mayweather, although may have slowed a bit as well and lost a bit of his athleticism, still maintains everything that made him so incredible and unbeatable over the past decade... His incredible intelligence, defence, will power, and ability to have every fighter he's faced pretty much play right into his gameplan...

We wait much longer, and the haters will be ready to stomp out the honour of any victory, with the same nonsense they bring out for ever other opponent Manny or Floyd have faced..

[NUCLEAR BULL]

guys mayweather doesnt wish to fight anyone who poses a real threat to his ZERO!!!!, he never fought cotto, margarito, pac or a better version of mosley when they were all knocking at his door.....he instead fought a limited hatton then a smaller slowed marquez.....stateing that everyone wanted him to fight marquez because marquez is p4p best hahaha.......he fought shane once shane was on his longest inactive period of his career and nearly 40, even then shane nearly ko'd him. he fought a downward oscar with stamina problems and lessing speed.....quite frankly the last 3-4 years he's taken the lesser options, the fights where he's big fav to win......when all around him there where hungry, tough, dangerous challengers......he does a great job of not taking the fights that carry a tough nights works where its close to a 50/50 call......at this stage now even if he fights pac and wins i still hold pac higher in the all tim list

You can pick holes in Manny's recent fights as well. He fought an already downtrodden Hatton...a Hatton who was already dismantled by Floyd earlier. He fought a past it and weight drained Oscar...the same Oscar who Floyd fought earlier at 154 and was more of a live body. He fought a mentally and physically damaged Cotto...a fighter who never truly recovered form the illegal beat down from Margo. He fought one of the most punch shy fighters in Clottey. And last night he fought a one dimensional, slow as molasses cheater...who already is mentally weakened after his whole illegal wraps thing. He did most of this at catch weights...to insure that his already past it opponents would be further weakened. No question he would give Floyd a great fight...but Floyd would do what Marquez did to Pac...except 100 times better. Stop drinking the kool aid.

and yet still mayweather does everything he can to not fight pac, atleast pacman fought cotto and margarito while being the much smaller man......look i think mayweathers fav to win the fight if it happens but the fact he's doing all he can to not take the fight shows what type of man he is.......its got to be 80/20 in his favour to win or he deems it to close

[luvfightgame]

I think this fight IF it happens looks a lot like Hatton-PBF. Difference is Pac has better stamina, more power, probably a better chin.

Pac outworks Floyd for a win, or gets timed and walks into a shot that puts him to sleep. Either way should be a great fight.

Personally, I think Pac has PBF's number. Hatton gave Floyd fits for about the first 7 rounds, and Pac is faster and will have a better game plan.

I think the key to beating PBF is to punch at his throat, don't aim for his head. He will either duck into, or get hit in the chest/throat area.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Lol @ Pacquiao's titles in 8 different weight classes when he has never officially fought at any of the actual weight's.

However, I agree...A performance like that probably wasn't the best way to entice Floyd to the table - Then again, Floyd happily took on Shane who decimated Margarito worse than Pacquaio did by the sounds of things.

Depends where Floyds head is..usually it's in his ass with all his shit going on outside of boxing.

Pretty much why I gave up following what was happening with this fight and will continue to do so until I hear an OFFICIAL source confirm it.

You don't think that's an excellent feat as it is. So why doesn't someone try that the way Manny did it, go up that several weight division and fight some of them at a catchweight? Do you think somebody will achieve that in our lifetime?

I have to admit, the way Oscar did it was a lot more impressive tbh.

I won't argue with you on this. But Oscar would have tried to go through more weight divisions than what he had achieved, even if it involved a catchweight, if he could. But he couldn't. What he achieved is the extent of his limitation.

So, don't you think Manny going up that much weight and still performing par excellence is in itself a feat?

[TitoFan]

Lol @ Pacquiao's titles in 8 different weight classes when he has never officially fought at any of the actual weight's.

However, I agree...A performance like that probably wasn't the best way to entice Floyd to the table - Then again, Floyd happily took on Shane who decimated Margarito worse than Pacquaio did by the sounds of things.

Depends where Floyds head is..usually it's in his ass with all his shit going on outside of boxing.

Pretty much why I gave up following what was happening with this fight and will continue to do so until I hear an OFFICIAL source confirm it.

You don't think that's an excellent feat as it is. So why doesn't someone try that the way Manny did it, go up that several weight division and fight some of them at a catchweight? Do you think somebody will achieve that in our lifetime?

I have to admit, the way Oscar did it was a lot more impressive tbh.

I hope you're not counting his stint at middleweight... a gift against Felix Sturm and a disgraceful grazing liver shot flop against Hopkins. Shouldn't even COUNT middleweight. That was clearly strictly for record-setting purposes.... nothing else.