Is this the nail in the coffin of Pac/Mayweather?

[Gandalf]

I'm not sure that this was the best way to entice Mayweather to the discussion table....

Discuss.

[Majesty]

I'm not sure that this was the best way to entice Mayweather to the discussion table....

Discuss.

I look at it this way, it will probably be a perfect last fight for Mayweather and Pacquiao.
How it will be hyped wise

Mayweather beat Marquez who was Pacquiao's rival, and Shane Mosley who was the lineal 147 champ.

Pacquiao just beat Cotto and Margarito, two people, that people like to say Mayweather ducked.

So therefore, if Pacquiao beats Mayweather, people can say he took apart the lineal 147 pound champ and best p4p in the world. And if Mayweather beats Pacquiao, they'll say he is greater because he beat the guy who decimated the two fighters people say he ducked.

So it's a win win for both, so the filler fights make sense. But only on the outside looking in as if it was a book.

But if knocking out Margarito in brutal fashion would deter Mayweather from fighting someone, he never would have took on Shane.

[Julius Rain]

They should lock floyd up and tell him the only way he can get out of jail is if he fights pac. No wait, he will gladly stay in jail.

I dont know the answer.

[generalbulldog]

Floyd needs to clear up his legal troubles first before the possiblity of a match even takes place.

[Gandalf]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

[Julius Rain]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

Miles that opinion of yours is not base on the fact that pac just whoop margarito is it? Cause Majesty made a good point about how floyd face Shane who just ko'ed Tony.

[Kev]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

It's kind of relative though. Manny is amazing because he is a little man moving up and beating up much bigger guys. If a guy in the same natural weight class as the bigger guy does the same job beating him up as Manny does however it is maybe regarded a little less.

In relative terms Manny's performance against a much bigger Margarito was amazing. In absolute terms it wasn't much more onesided than Sugar Shanes, and he didn't brutally KO him like Shane did. We all saw how much trouble Shane posed to Floyd. Outside of one big punch, not much.

I think Floyd will win, but I'd love Manny to pull the upset. He is a legend.

Interestingly I think if Manny beats Floyd he will get far more plaudits for it than if Floyd beats Manny. Honestly, even if Floyd does beat Manny most every round, his critics will still point to Pac's leaky defence, the 'fact' that Marquez beat him twice, and that this result 'was what every really knowledgeable person about the sport of boxing knew would happen'....

[:::PSL:::]

I bet Pac scared Floyd more.

[zhubin]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

Pac just beat a one dimensional, slow as molasses cheater. Floyd will do what Marquez did against Pac...except 100 times more effectively. You think Floyd is going to war?! You think Floyd doesn't have a plan A, B, and C?! Floyd has the legs to dance ALL NIGHT. He is too slick, too skilled, and too smart. Roach has cherry picked perfect guys for Pac the last few fights. Credit to him for handling his job. But Floyd is the most naturally gifted pure boxer in the game. It will be a great fight...but i see Floyd putting on a master class. Pac needs to take the tests and Floyd needs to clear up his legal issues.

[Dizaster]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

It's kind of relative though. Manny is amazing because he is a little man moving up and beating up much bigger guys. If a guy in the same natural weight class as the bigger guy does the same job beating him up as Manny does however it is maybe regarded a little less.

In relative terms Manny's performance against a much bigger Margarito was amazing. In absolute terms it wasn't much more onesided than Sugar Shanes, and he didn't brutally KO him like Shane did. We all saw how much trouble Shane posed to Floyd. Outside of one big punch, not much.

I think Floyd will win, but I'd love Manny to pull the upset. He is a legend.

Interestingly I think if Manny beats Floyd he will get far more plaudits for it than if Floyd beats Manny. Honestly, even if Floyd does beat Manny most every round, his critics will still point to Pac's leaky defence, the 'fact' that Marquez beat him twice, and that this result 'was what every really knowledgeable person about the sport of boxing knew would happen'....

Aside from whether Floyd and Manny ever fight, for Floyd to have the equal medal of achievement as Pac has, Floyd would need to be fighting at 160 right now and beating the best there..

That is basically what Pac is doing.. Fighting 2 to 3 classes above where he could have comfortable sat, beat everyone, and still be considered P4P 1.

Mayweather skill wise is as good as you will ever see... But as far as outright accomplishments and balls and thirst for great legacy, Pac is whooping his ass...

(If they don't fight) Unless Mayweather fights at 154 his next fight, then 160,,,, they will both retire with Pac having won the legacy battle... I can find no one on Mayweather list, in their Prime or otherwise, who could step in the ring with Pac at 140 or 147 or 154 and beat him right now...

[Gandalf]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

It's kind of relative though. Manny is amazing because he is a little man moving up and beating up much bigger guys. If a guy in the same natural weight class as the bigger guy does the same job beating him up as Manny does however it is maybe regarded a little less.

In relative terms Manny's performance against a much bigger Margarito was amazing. In absolute terms it wasn't much more onesided than Sugar Shanes, and he didn't brutally KO him like Shane did. We all saw how much trouble Shane posed to Floyd. Outside of one big punch, not much.

I think Floyd will win, but I'd love Manny to pull the upset. He is a legend.

Interestingly I think if Manny beats Floyd he will get far more plaudits for it than if Floyd beats Manny. Honestly, even if Floyd does beat Manny most every round, his critics will still point to Pac's leaky defence, the 'fact' that Marquez beat him twice, and that this result 'was what every really knowledgeable person about the sport of boxing knew would happen'....

I don't really regard this fight as going up in weight. 150 is closer to 147 than 154 and that means we've pretty much had 3 Pac fights on the trot at WW. Margarito is perhaps the biggest, but I don't think it's such a big deal. So, I regard it as Manny maintaining his WW form rather than this as an serious attempt at 154.

I regard Pac's win as more impressive because he did it in the purest way. Just boxing. No holding whatsoever and with no limitations in output. Mosley can't throw a hundred punches a round and Manny does it against everyone. To do that round after round is more impressive to me than stopping Margarito in 8. Also, this was a Margarito seemingly in shape and Pac even eased up in the final two rounds. Mosley hits harder than Manny IMO, but he cannot sustain that kind of output along with the power. We saw that with Mosley against Mayweather, a great second round, but afterwards shut out. Mosley at 39 just does not have the footwork and stamina that Manny has. Manny has advantages over Mayweather that Mosley doesn't have, and I also think Manny has the legs that Floyd just doesn't quite have anymore.

It's the output that is the difference for me. Manny won't throw a hundred punches a round against Floyd, but Floyd just cannot let his hands go like Manny and it will tell on the cards. Manny can pepper the arms, the body all night long and you can be sure that if Floyd does open up then Manny will be just as quick in making it tell. Floyd cannot potshot his way to victory against Manny IMO and if he does open up will take a lot of damage along the way.

[Chino]

But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

I thought Manny and his team agreed until the last 24/7 when they said they agree ONLY if they let him have a 7 day window . So I guess the whole "We agree to the blood tests" that Bob Arum said was just not true.

[zhubin]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

It's kind of relative though. Manny is amazing because he is a little man moving up and beating up much bigger guys. If a guy in the same natural weight class as the bigger guy does the same job beating him up as Manny does however it is maybe regarded a little less.

In relative terms Manny's performance against a much bigger Margarito was amazing. In absolute terms it wasn't much more onesided than Sugar Shanes, and he didn't brutally KO him like Shane did. We all saw how much trouble Shane posed to Floyd. Outside of one big punch, not much.

I think Floyd will win, but I'd love Manny to pull the upset. He is a legend.

Interestingly I think if Manny beats Floyd he will get far more plaudits for it than if Floyd beats Manny. Honestly, even if Floyd does beat Manny most every round, his critics will still point to Pac's leaky defence, the 'fact' that Marquez beat him twice, and that this result 'was what every really knowledgeable person about the sport of boxing knew would happen'....

I don't really regard this fight as going up in weight. 150 is closer to 147 than 154 and that means we've pretty much had 3 Pac fights on the trot at WW. Margarito is perhaps the biggest, but I don't think it's such a big deal. So, I regard it as Manny maintaining his WW form rather than this as an serious attempt at 154.

I regard Pac's win as more impressive because he did it in the purest way. Just boxing. No holding whatsoever and with no limitations in output. Mosley can't throw a hundred punches a round and Manny does it against everyone. To do that round after round is more impressive to me than stopping Margarito in 8. Also, this was a Margarito seemingly in shape and Pac even eased up in the final two rounds. Mosley hits harder than Manny IMO, but he cannot sustain that kind of output along with the power. We saw that with Mosley against Mayweather, a great second round, but afterwards shut out. Mosley at 39 just does not have the footwork and stamina that Manny has. Manny has advantages over Mayweather that Mosley doesn't have, and I also think Manny has the legs that Floyd just doesn't quite have anymore.

It's the output that is the difference for me. Manny won't throw a hundred punches a round against Floyd, but Floyd just cannot let his hands go like Manny and it will tell on the cards. Manny can pepper the arms, the body all night long and you can be sure that if Floyd does open up then Manny will be just as quick in making it tell. Floyd cannot potshot his way to victory against Manny IMO and if he does open up will take a lot of damage along the way.

Miles it seems like you are basing your prediction on Manny's recent fights. Truth be told...while credit has to be given for his wins, his last few fights have been against fighters with either big questions or tailor made for his style...or both. The last truly great, prime fighter Pac fought was Marquez. Juan showed that a skilled counter puncher will give Pac fits. Pac has had to fight primarily one way in his recent fights...because his opponents come to him. He has also had a CLEAR speed advantage in his recent fights. While Pac will be a tremendous challenge for Floyd...Mayweather is much too complete a fighter. Can Manny adjust in a middle of a fight? He hasn't had too. But Floyd has tremendous intelligence to go along with his skill. He can adjust numerous times in a match. You say Floyd cannot pot shot Manny?! Of course he can. How frustrated will Pac get when he doesn't have the incredibly easy target to hit like Margerito? How will Pac react when he gets countered with perfect combos and then misses because Floyd's defense is so good? How will he react when Floyd, who is as good IF NOT A BETTER conditioned athlete than him doesn't tire out because he hasn't had to kill himself to lose weight? No question Floyd would also face challenges. But if i had to put my money against who can adapt in a huge fight better...i would never bet against Mayweather.

[Gandalf]

I just don't see how Mayweather can keep Pac honest. Manny is more explosive, just as fast, punches harder and throws so much more. It's a fight I just struggle to see Mayweather winning. Pac just has too much of everything.

I think deep down, Mayweather probably knows this and seeing what we saw here, he is unlikely to want to step up and face this beast any time soon.

Mayweather signing a contract to fight Pac will in itself earn my respect. But I do think Manny needs to agree to drug testing with no windows. The fight should also be at 147.

It's kind of relative though. Manny is amazing because he is a little man moving up and beating up much bigger guys. If a guy in the same natural weight class as the bigger guy does the same job beating him up as Manny does however it is maybe regarded a little less.

In relative terms Manny's performance against a much bigger Margarito was amazing. In absolute terms it wasn't much more onesided than Sugar Shanes, and he didn't brutally KO him like Shane did. We all saw how much trouble Shane posed to Floyd. Outside of one big punch, not much.

I think Floyd will win, but I'd love Manny to pull the upset. He is a legend.

Interestingly I think if Manny beats Floyd he will get far more plaudits for it than if Floyd beats Manny. Honestly, even if Floyd does beat Manny most every round, his critics will still point to Pac's leaky defence, the 'fact' that Marquez beat him twice, and that this result 'was what every really knowledgeable person about the sport of boxing knew would happen'....

I don't really regard this fight as going up in weight. 150 is closer to 147 than 154 and that means we've pretty much had 3 Pac fights on the trot at WW. Margarito is perhaps the biggest, but I don't think it's such a big deal. So, I regard it as Manny maintaining his WW form rather than this as an serious attempt at 154.

I regard Pac's win as more impressive because he did it in the purest way. Just boxing. No holding whatsoever and with no limitations in output. Mosley can't throw a hundred punches a round and Manny does it against everyone. To do that round after round is more impressive to me than stopping Margarito in 8. Also, this was a Margarito seemingly in shape and Pac even eased up in the final two rounds. Mosley hits harder than Manny IMO, but he cannot sustain that kind of output along with the power. We saw that with Mosley against Mayweather, a great second round, but afterwards shut out. Mosley at 39 just does not have the footwork and stamina that Manny has. Manny has advantages over Mayweather that Mosley doesn't have, and I also think Manny has the legs that Floyd just doesn't quite have anymore.

It's the output that is the difference for me. Manny won't throw a hundred punches a round against Floyd, but Floyd just cannot let his hands go like Manny and it will tell on the cards. Manny can pepper the arms, the body all night long and you can be sure that if Floyd does open up then Manny will be just as quick in making it tell. Floyd cannot potshot his way to victory against Manny IMO and if he does open up will take a lot of damage along the way.

Miles it seems like you are basing your prediction on Manny's recent fights. Truth be told...while credit has to be given for his wins, his last few fights have been against fighters with either big questions or tailor made for his style...or both. The last truly great, prime fighter Pac fought was Marquez. Juan showed that a skilled counter puncher will give Pac fits. Pac has had to fight primarily one way in his recent fights...because his opponents come to him. He has also had a CLEAR speed advantage in his recent fights. While Pac will be a tremendous challenge for Floyd...Mayweather is much too complete a fighter. Can Manny adjust in a middle of a fight? He hasn't had too. But Floyd has tremendous intelligence to go along with his skill. He can adjust numerous times in a match. You say Floyd cannot pot shot Manny?! Of course he can. How frustrated will Pac get when he doesn't have the incredibly easy target to hit like Margerito? How will Pac react when he gets countered with perfect combos and then misses because Floyd's defense is so good? How will he react when Floyd, who is as good IF NOT A BETTER conditioned athlete than him doesn't tire out because he hasn't had to kill himself to lose weight? No question Floyd would also face challenges. But if i had to put my money against who can adapt in a huge fight better...i would never bet against Mayweather.

The same can be said about Floyds recent opponents too. Marquez at WW? Mosley at 39? Hatton at WW? etc.

It doesn't matter that Floyd won't be easy to hit, Pac has the stamina to keep plugging away. You hit the arms, gloves, whatever is available, Floyd has to open up at some stage and Pac is quick enough to make it count when it matters. And he doesn't relent. If an old Mosley can do that to Floyd in the second just imagine what Pac could do. He is quicker than Mosley and wouldn't shoot his load. Mosley hits harder, but Manny throws more and is more accurate.

You talk about getting countered with perfect combos, but Floyd doesn't really throw combos. The most you will ever see is a 3 punch combo. Manny has now shown that even the big WW's cannot move him, and he is going to be put in his place by Floyd? I just don't see it.

Pac has the better footwork, combination punching, power, and possibly even handspeed too. I am sold on Manny Pac and readily admit that he is the greatest fighter of this century. Floyd at nigh on 34 and with fading footwork, is simply not good enough to keep this beast off of him and potshot his way to victory.

Manny will mess up Floyd in a way few would ever expect unless he goes the Clottey route. Manny at these weights is a slicing, wrecking machine. If he doesn't fell you, he will slice you up. It's up to Floyd how he chooses to go out, but I think he would sooner put his fingers in his ears and pretend he doesn't even know who Manny Pacquiao is rather than end his career with defeat.

[Althugz]

Lol @ Pacquiao's titles in 8 different weight classes when he has never officially fought at any of the actual weight's.

However, I agree...A performance like that probably wasn't the best way to entice Floyd to the table - Then again, Floyd happily took on Shane who decimated Margarito worse than Pacquaio did by the sounds of things.

Depends where Floyds head is..usually it's in his ass with all his shit going on outside of boxing.

Pretty much why I gave up following what was happening with this fight and will continue to do so until I hear an OFFICIAL source confirm it.