Is it me or is Pacs performance Saturday a little overrated??

[Hornfinger]

Mosley did the job...

Quicker
with a Ko
Didn't weight drain marg with a catch weight
Marg was on a winning streak
Marg hadn't had a severe beating at some point in his last 5 fights

This fight should have been stopped around the 9th round anyway

The result should have been a TKO

So Margarito wasn't weigh-drained at 147 but he was at 150?

Margarito was only on a 3 fight winning streak, probably aided by having concrete hands

Margarito had shipped plenty of punishment in the fights with Williams, Cintron and Cotto prior to the Mosley fight.


If i remember correctly, Mosley got a lot of kudos for what he did to Margarito. So should Pacquiao.

A very good reply. The 1st good reply i've had in a while. Nice one.

First off I'd say shoulda woulda coulda. Pac still didn't put him down and out.

A good point about the weight but you do have to take into account there was a good couple of years gap between mosley and pac. If Marg was comfortable at 147 the fight would have been made at 147. (although that would have scuppered pacs 8 weight division fantasy) the fact that marg went up to the 154 divison says to me that 154 was a comfortable strong weight for him.

Yeah he'd taken punishment in those fights but he'd taken that punishment plus a hammering off mosley before pac got to him.


Yes shane did get loads of props, but IMO it was different circumstances and he put marg down. No one had dominated Marg quite like that before.

[Tysonbruno]

I agree with you he didn't do any better with margarito than Mosley or Williams he didn't do any better with Cotto than Margarito yet gets crazy praise for it. Thing is everybody expected Cotto to beat Margarito and Margarito demolished and because of this everybody expected Margarito to demolish Mosley yet Mosley demolished him in 9 rounds. Now everybody expected Pacquiao to beat margarito easy and he did but now there talking as though he has slayed King Kong and facts are he didn't even do it as easy as Mosley or Williams Pacquiao was even badly hurt in the 6th had their been more time left in the round who knows and after that he went on back foot for about 2 rounds yes he is P4P#1 but come on guys lets stop making the wins bigger than they were after the event.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

His performance last saturday was expected indeed. He didn't really shocked the world. But it's was like watching a good movie sequel. You kinda know what's gonna happen but you still get amazed after watching it.

This.

Although I haven't bothered to read what the 'journalists' are actually saying about the fight.

[ono]

Mosley did the job...

Quicker
with a Ko
Didn't weight drain marg with a catch weight
Marg was on a winning streak
Marg hadn't had a severe beating at some point in his last 5 fights

This fight should have been stopped around the 9th round anyway

The result should have been a TKO

So Margarito wasn't weigh-drained at 147 but he was at 150?

Margarito was only on a 3 fight winning streak, probably aided by having concrete hands

Margarito had shipped plenty of punishment in the fights with Williams, Cintron and Cotto prior to the Mosley fight.


If i remember correctly, Mosley got a lot of kudos for what he did to Margarito. So should Pacquiao.

A very good reply. The 1st good reply i've had in a while. Nice one.

First off I'd say shoulda woulda coulda. Pac still didn't put him down and out.

A good point about the weight but you do have to take into account there was a good couple of years gap between mosley and pac. If Marg was comfortable at 147 the fight would have been made at 147. (although that would have scuppered pacs 8 weight division fantasy) the fact that marg went up to the 154 divison says to me that 154 was a comfortable strong weight for him.

Yeah he'd taken punishment in those fights but he'd taken that punishment plus a hammering off mosley before pac got to him.


Yes shane did get loads of props, but IMO it was different circumstances and he put marg down. No one had dominated Marg quite like that before.

Fair comments. He did what i expected him to do, and what most other people expected him to do. Mosley's performance stunned me more, but i still think Pacquiao deserves his credit. I haven't seen too many knowledgeable people going over the top with it.

I agree about Margarito' weight, but he's moved up to 154 and then moved back down to 147 numerous times in his career so i'd imagine he's comfortable with it, although this time round, he had been inactive due to suspension, and he's getting older. Suppose i can see the argument both ways

[generalbulldog]

I agree with you he didn't do any better with margarito than Mosley or Williams he didn't do any better with Cotto than Margarito yet gets crazy praise for it. Thing is everybody expected Cotto to beat Margarito and Margarito demolished and because of this everybody expected Margarito to demolish Mosley yet Mosley demolished him in 9 rounds. Now everybody expected Pacquiao to beat margarito easy and he did but now there talking as though he has slayed King Kong and facts are he didn't even do it as easy as Mosley or Williams Pacquiao was even badly hurt in the 6th had their been more time left in the round who knows and after that he went on back foot for about 2 rounds yes he is P4P#1 but come on guys lets stop making the wins bigger than they were after the event.

Yeah but that everybody wasn't you now was it?http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-who-wins.html

20/20 hindsight analysis. Anyone can do it.

BTW, you still owe PSL a sig bet in that thread.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I agree with you he didn't do any better with margarito than Mosley or Williams he didn't do any better with Cotto than Margarito yet gets crazy praise for it. Thing is everybody expected Cotto to beat Margarito and Margarito demolished and because of this everybody expected Margarito to demolish Mosley yet Mosley demolished him in 9 rounds. Now everybody expected Pacquiao to beat margarito easy and he did but now there talking as though he has slayed King Kong and facts are he didn't even do it as easy as Mosley or Williams Pacquiao was even badly hurt in the 6th had their been more time left in the round who knows and after that he went on back foot for about 2 rounds yes he is P4P#1 but come on guys lets stop making the wins bigger than they were after the event.

Yeah but that everybody wasn't you now was it?http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-who-wins.html

20/20 hindsight analysis. Anyone can do it.

BTW, you still owe PSL a sig bet in that thread.

Ouch

GB you sneak muvafuka

[Tysonbruno]

Yes i do owe him and yes i did think margarito could pull off the upset but at same time just because Pac did win doesn't mean he deserves all this crazy praise was it a good win? yes but does it deserve all this over the top stuff people saying he is greatest of all time?? no

[generalbulldog]

Yes i do owe him and yes i did think margarito could pull off the upset but at same time just because Pac did win doesn't mean he deserves all this crazy praise was it a good win? yes but does it deserve all this over the top stuff people saying he is greatest of all time?? no

The regulars here on this board haven't said anything of that sort about greatest of all time, including the Filipino members. They just appreciate his fights. Even publications like Ring didn't say that about goat status. They just appreciate the guy's talent, because he is a rare talent and his time in the ring is close to coming to an end. Plus, praise will be given to the winner when they put on a good show.

Floyd put on a great show against Mosley, he got praise for it too after the fight.

[ono]

I agree with you he didn't do any better with margarito than Mosley or Williams he didn't do any better with Cotto than Margarito yet gets crazy praise for it. Thing is everybody expected Cotto to beat Margarito and Margarito demolished and because of this everybody expected Margarito to demolish Mosley yet Mosley demolished him in 9 rounds. Now everybody expected Pacquiao to beat margarito easy and he did but now there talking as though he has slayed King Kong and facts are he didn't even do it as easy as Mosley or Williams Pacquiao was even badly hurt in the 6th had their been more time left in the round who knows and after that he went on back foot for about 2 rounds yes he is P4P#1 but come on guys lets stop making the wins bigger than they were after the event.

Yeah but that everybody wasn't you now was it?http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-who-wins.html

20/20 hindsight analysis. Anyone can do it.

BTW, you still owe PSL a sig bet in that thread.

Pwned

[Dizaster]

The only person i've heard say he's the best of all time was the guys on HBO after the fight, and they were saying "one" of the greatest... And based on their reasoning, it was fair for them to say that...

But yeah, in perspective Pac wasn't unbelievable in that fight.. he had his weaknesses.. He didn't utterly destory Margarito and knock him out...

People just appreciate that someone has come along with the physical gift that Pac has to travel so far up the weights and still be competitive. Also to have come from being a one handed somewhat wild fighter, to honing his skills and become a very effective and intelligent boxer...

People do rave about Pac more than most boxers out there, and if that is the nuthugging, loving, extreme fanboyism that you speak of, then I dunno what to say...
People give Pac that extra credit and enthusiasm because who else is really as exciting for boxing right now

Mayweather is the same sort of person who incites a tonne of extreme followers (and with that, haters), but he has been doing a lot more talking than he has fighting over the past few years..

Really, at a time when few other divisions really have these characters and achievers to get excited about, what's wrong with people getting behind a fighter who comes along maybe twice a decade? He just generates excitement for boxing fans in general....

Some people just aren't impressed with him or his performances and achievements and that's fine... But it's not like all the people who are fans with him can't list out a million reasons why they are more enthusiatic about him than other fighters... No need to hate them for that..

[Dizaster]

I love Pac because I love boxing.. Same reason I loved Roy Jones, Whitaker, Tito, Tapia, Morales, Tyson....

It's not like their is just this unwarranted hype behind these fighters and I get swept up blindly in it... I love boxing, and these guys just reward that love by the way they fight and who they fight..

Can't say it any more plainly than that.... When Pac retires and the next guy comes along who is constantly taking on greater challenges and doing the unexpected, then I will be as enthusiastic about them as Pac...

[ElTerribleMorales]

His performance last saturday was expected indeed. He didn't really shocked the world. But it's was like watching a good movie sequel. You kinda know what's gonna happen but you still get amazed after watching it.

Agreed.

its comparable to Toy Story III. as good as I and II

...Or all Terminator movies.

what are you talking about?!? Terminator 3 and Salvation sucked ass lol

[El Kabong]

Now I think the amount of damage Pac did to Margarito was very impressive, I certainly have never seen him so beat up, the dude landed a stay at the hospital and had surgery after the fight....that's a serious ass whuppin right there.

However I have been thinking "How would Floyd have handled Margarito?"
I figure he WOULD completely out class Margarito, but not send him to the hospital....I also wonder how Floyd would react to those body shots. As for the fight itself I think it would compare to the way he fought Baldomir.

[arcanum26]

Do agree with you that Margo was the perfect, if not, handpicked opponent for Manny. But I wasn't expecting a one sided beat down last Sunday morning (for us in the Philippines). Specially after hearing Margo was packing 17 pounds heavier than Manny. Even if the devil in me was shouting hurrahs after each round Margo was being beaten, I thought it would have been competitive until at least the first few rounds. I'd figure Margo would be his usual come forward guy but that didn't happen. He seems more shell shocked than his usual self. Dunno if that's because of pac's punches or whatever. But it really wasn't the Margo I was expecting. I don't blame him though, judging from the looks of his face after the fight.

But for me the Margo that night was the same, if not, a better Margo back when he fought Cotto. The Mosley fight, he got fuxxed up in the brain. Bottom line for me though is Pac earned his due that night for fighting a game, lively, well conditioned and gigantic opponent in Margo. Just that the come forward style was not the best thing to do against manny. But right now, I don't know. Just want the manny pbf fight to happen.

Sick of that f'n expression! Seriously, Manny's style will beat 85% of other styles and make them look "Made for him"... The fight was made because after Pac beat DLH, he wanted the biggest challenge out there, and at the time, that was Margarito.... After beating Cotto, he looked unstoppable, and no one would be saying he's "handpicked" or "Tailor Made" for Pac... Also the fight could be made very easy as it was with Arum, would make money, no negotiation drama etc etc...

People are saying Clottey was "hand picked" for Pac.. Well him and Margarito and Cotto all have different styles.. Completley different. Clottey has tight defence and solid base, Margarito constantly comes forward, And cotto uses his smarts and counters, along with good body work/strength... Then Hatton is a little bit different again...
But of course, they were all "hand picked for Pac's style"... No, Pac is just too f'n good for them.. To much better..

If someone can't match Pac's speed, then he was "hand picked for his lack of speed".
If someone can't handle Pac's combo's he was "hand picked for his poor headmovement/leaky defence"
If someone can't handle Manny's pressure coming forard, he was "hand picked for Pac to run straight through him"
If someone charges forward trying to run over Pac, They were "hand picked for him to smash when they were on the way in"...

Seriously, do you not get what's going on here??

Well, actually maybe you do, so i'll give you a challenge??

Aside from JMM because of their past, and Mayweather because he is a super human freak of nature,,,,, who the f!uck you would pick for Manny??
Bare in mind, this MUST be someone who doesn't have a single attributes that is perfect for Manny to exploit and defeat?

(Because that would mean someone will say they were "Handpicked" for Pac to beat..)


Sorry buddy.. I'll CC you after this.. it's nothing personal.. I've heard tonnes of people say handpicked regarding Pac and Mayweather fights, and I just exploded on you when I read that word in your post.. But this is to all the people who keep saying handpicked, when it's just 95% of styles can't match a truly excelent fighter like Pac or Mayweather..

All good points. No need to apologize. I completely understand where you're coming from. I guess what I'm trying to say is Manny is such a heavy favorite coming into the fight that most everyone expected him to win. In fairness though, I did insert the words "if not" since I was unsure if it would be proper to call Margo handpicked for Pac. Yeah, perhaps handpicked is such a strong word.

[0james0]

Agree with this. I don't think Floyd would have put him in hospital, but then I think Floyd would have looked way more classy. I was impressed by Pac's offense, but his defence looked full of holes.

I also don't think Floyd would have got hit by those body shots.

As impressive as he was in the fight, from watching the fight I now favour Mayweather more than I did before. So in my eyes PAC has gone down in my estimations.

I want to see Pac

Now I think the amount of damage Pac did to Margarito was very impressive, I certainly have never seen him so beat up, the dude landed a stay at the hospital and had surgery after the fight....that's a serious ass whuppin right there.

However I have been thinking "How would Floyd have handled Margarito?"
I figure he WOULD completely out class Margarito, but not send him to the hospital....I also wonder how Floyd would react to those body shots. As for the fight itself I think it would compare to the way he fought Baldomir.