Did Pac reach his prime above or below lightweight?

[Julius Rain]

above without a doubt

he is in his prime now

i am bored of talking about manny

Nobody is forcing you to talk about manny. We do have other topics, click on those

[milmascaras1]

somehow pacquiao fans love for people to make the focal point in everything related to boxing. it kinda massages their egos. manny's this, manny's that, manny can cure cancer, manny will be president, manny should win the nobel peace prize, blah blah blah blah. question, don't pacquiao fans know about any other boxers? how about talking about rey bautista and his comeback, or a.j. banal or bernabe concepcion? these guys are fighters too and would like a following as well but no, manny, manny, manny. it's like a damned cult. poor things!!!

[Kev]

somehow pacquiao fans love for people to make the focal point in everything related to boxing. it kinda massages their egos. manny's this, manny's that, manny can cure cancer, manny will be president, manny should win the nobel peace prize, blah blah blah blah. question, don't pacquiao fans know about any other boxers? how about talking about rey bautista and his comeback, or a.j. banal or bernabe concepcion? these guys are fighters too and would like a following as well but no, manny, manny, manny. it's like a damned cult. poor things!!!

You're an idiot.

Manny is talked about because he is the most exciting boxer in the world, the biggest superstar since De La Hoya and far more talented.

More annoying are the people who post just as much about Manny, but only negative hate.

Why are you talking about him?

[Julius Rain]

somehow pacquiao fans love for people to make the focal point in everything related to boxing. it kinda massages their egos. manny's this, manny's that, manny can cure cancer, manny will be president, manny should win the nobel peace prize, blah blah blah blah. question, don't pacquiao fans know about any other boxers? how about talking about rey bautista and his comeback, or a.j. banal or bernabe concepcion? these guys are fighters too and would like a following as well but no, manny, manny, manny. it's like a damned cult. poor things!!!

You're an idiot.

Manny is talked about because he is the most exciting boxer in the world, the biggest superstar since De La Hoya and far more talented.

More annoying are the people who post just as much about Manny, but only negative hate.

Why are you talking about him?

That guy is an idiot.

[milmascaras1]

rain,

no, you're the idiot, idiot!

[Julius Rain]

rain,

I caught my wife swallowing another mans load, now I am and piece of shit!

Damn, no wonder you're mad

[Gandalf]

rain,

I caught my wife swallowing another mans load, now I am and piece of shit!

Damn, no wonder you're mad

That's not even funny. In fact, that kind of behaviour is downright wrong. Grow up.

[Gandalf]

I don't think milmascaras is an idiot. He is extreme, but amongst the bombast I do see some valid points being made.

I think Manny is in his prime at the higher weights as he isn't needing to boil down so much. We saw in the second Barrera fight how lethargic he looked, but that fight was also down to Barrera being unwilling to engage. We also saw Morales outbox him first time out and IMO Marquez had his number twice.

Pac has been far more impressive at the higher weights, but there is a degree of smoke and mirrors involved and some people have been getting high on the fumes. Manny is impressive for sure, but there are still question marks. Why not go after Mosley 2 years ago instead of Clottey, Cotto and then Margarito? Instead each of the previous opponents was coming off of a loss and in the cases of the later two, they were devastating losses. Where are the unbeaten fighters in their prime? There simply aren't any. They have been picking very carefully.

[milmascaras1]

julius rain,

wow, talking about how low a person can get. listen, the only reason why you're writing this crap is because you don't have to face me, you piece of shit! we can talk about other fighters but when people start saying crazy things about families, that to me draws the line. but of course, you're going to get a pass from the mods as always because there is a huge double standard tradition on this site.

if you're in bed with anything pacquiao, you can say anything you want without fear of getting reprimanded on this site.

[KKisser]

julius rain,

wow, talking about how low a person can get. listen, the only reason why you're writing this crap is because you don't have to face me, you piece of shit! we can talk about other fighters but when people start saying crazy things about families, that to me draws the line. but of course, you're going to get a pass from the mods as always because there is a huge double standard tradition on this site.

if you're in bed with anything pacquiao, you can say anything you want without fear of getting reprimanded on this site.

what double standard you talking about? i know quite a few members here who post like you banned within a week. the only difference is they were overzealous pac fans. if anything the mods here imo are quite tolerative of you.

[:::PSL:::]

I don't think milmascaras is an idiot.

Yes, he is an idiot. If 25+ Saddo members calls anyone an idiot, that will automatically make him or her a certified idiot. FACT

[Kev]

I don't think milmascaras is an idiot. He is extreme, but amongst the bombast I do see some valid points being made.

I think Manny is in his prime at the higher weights as he isn't needing to boil down so much. We saw in the second Barrera fight how lethargic he looked, but that fight was also down to Barrera being unwilling to engage. We also saw Morales outbox him first time out and IMO Marquez had his number twice.

Pac has been far more impressive at the higher weights, but there is a degree of smoke and mirrors involved and some people have been getting high on the fumes. Manny is impressive for sure, but there are still question marks. Why not go after Mosley 2 years ago instead of Clottey, Cotto and then Margarito? Instead each of the previous opponents was coming off of a loss and in the cases of the later two, they were devastating losses. Where are the unbeaten fighters in their prime? There simply aren't any. They have been picking very carefully.

Good question! Where are they indeed? Do you have any names of these undefeated fighters in their prime that Manny has been avoiding at welterweight?

I can only think of Berto, but the Pac haters on here have already dismissed this as a gimme fight for Manny. So which unbeaten welterweight fighters are you thinking he dodged?

[Gandalf]

I don't think milmascaras is an idiot. He is extreme, but amongst the bombast I do see some valid points being made.

I think Manny is in his prime at the higher weights as he isn't needing to boil down so much. We saw in the second Barrera fight how lethargic he looked, but that fight was also down to Barrera being unwilling to engage. We also saw Morales outbox him first time out and IMO Marquez had his number twice.

Pac has been far more impressive at the higher weights, but there is a degree of smoke and mirrors involved and some people have been getting high on the fumes. Manny is impressive for sure, but there are still question marks. Why not go after Mosley 2 years ago instead of Clottey, Cotto and then Margarito? Instead each of the previous opponents was coming off of a loss and in the cases of the later two, they were devastating losses. Where are the unbeaten fighters in their prime? There simply aren't any. They have been picking very carefully.

Good question! Where are they indeed? Do you have any names of these undefeated fighters in their prime that Manny has been avoiding at welterweight?

I can only think of Berto, but the Pac haters on here have already dismissed this as a gimme fight for Manny. So which unbeaten welterweight fighters are you thinking he dodged?

Well, if he was going to become a WW it would have been good to see him fight Mosely post Margarito, it wasn't as though Mosley didn't try to get Pac in the ring. Sure, he wasn't unbeaten but more of a threat than the damaged goods that were Margarito and Cotto.

Personally, I would love to see Pac fight Tim Bradley who is a fighter that I really rate. He is clearly the stand out fighter at 140. He is quick, skilled, has output and punch variety. Bradley is the real deal and would be a tough fight for Manny.

And of course the other unbeaten one won't fight anyone, so not much Manny can do in that regard.

[generalbulldog]

I don't think milmascaras is an idiot. He is extreme, but amongst the bombast I do see some valid points being made.

I think Manny is in his prime at the higher weights as he isn't needing to boil down so much. We saw in the second Barrera fight how lethargic he looked, but that fight was also down to Barrera being unwilling to engage. We also saw Morales outbox him first time out and IMO Marquez had his number twice.

Pac has been far more impressive at the higher weights, but there is a degree of smoke and mirrors involved and some people have been getting high on the fumes. Manny is impressive for sure, but there are still question marks. Why not go after Mosley 2 years ago instead of Clottey, Cotto and then Margarito? Instead each of the previous opponents was coming off of a loss and in the cases of the later two, they were devastating losses. Where are the unbeaten fighters in their prime? There simply aren't any. They have been picking very carefully.

Good question! Where are they indeed? Do you have any names of these undefeated fighters in their prime that Manny has been avoiding at welterweight?

I can only think of Berto, but the Pac haters on here have already dismissed this as a gimme fight for Manny. So which unbeaten welterweight fighters are you thinking he dodged?

Word is that Pacquiao dodged Juan Diaz(when undefeated) and Valero at 135, Bradley and Alexander at 140 and of course Berto and Mayweather at 147 and Chris John at 126.

Other defeated fighters he ducked would be Raheem, JMM, Casamayor, Nate Campbell, Shane Mosley (before his fight with Floyd), Michael Katsidis, Ali Funeka, Marcos Maidana, Ortiz, Peterson, Paul Williams and now Sergio Martinez.

That is all.

[Hornfinger]

somehow pacquiao fans love for people to make the focal point in everything related to boxing. it kinda massages their egos. manny's this, manny's that, manny can cure cancer, manny will be president, manny should win the nobel peace prize, blah blah blah blah. question, don't pacquiao fans know about any other boxers? how about talking about rey bautista and his comeback, or a.j. banal or bernabe concepcion? these guys are fighters too and would like a following as well but no, manny, manny, manny. it's like a damned cult. poor things!!!

Agreed it's pathetic.