Did Pac reach his prime above or below lightweight?

[milmascaras1]

bilbao,

no, the idiot is you. and first off, do you really think pacquiao was better than a prime de la hoya? man, that kool-aid must really taste good, huh?

[Kev]

bilbao,

no, the idiot is you. and first off, do you really think pacquiao was better than a prime de la hoya? man, that kool-aid must really taste good, huh?

You don't think Manny is better than a prime Oscar?

Manny is one of the best boxers of all time, already probably top 10, if he beat Floyd he would be top 5.

Yes he is better than a prime Oscar. Oscar lost every significant he ever fought, Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins, Mayweather.

Manny beat everybody, how do they even compare?

Look at his resume

Morales
Barrera
Marquez
Hatton
De La Hoya
Cotto

All of them may yet make the Hall of Fame.

[milmascaras1]

bilbao,

damn, i want some of that kool-aid too. must really be fulfilling!!! but anyways:

- you think a prime pacquiao beats a prime de la hoya? sure oscar lost some big fights but you've got to also look at his competition. ALL OF THEM WERE PRIME FIGHTERS! who has pacquiao beaten that is in their prime? you'll got to go back many, many years like the first barrera fight for that!

- morales was already a spent fighter when he fought pacquiao the first time. hell, he was coming off a hard loss to barrera. he was already having troubles making weight. lookie here, a 70% morales gave pacquiao a nice little boxing lesson and sent him home crying!

- barrera - no arguments there. i still believe barrera was in his prime when pacquiao tore him apart. barrera was a finesse boxer after the junior jones fights. he had no answer to pacquiao's unorthodox style.

- marquez - yeah, did you know that knockdowns aren't the only things that win you fights? it's about winning the most rounds or knocking out your opponent. something in which pacquiao was unable to do. look, there is a major reason why pacquiao declined a third fight with marquez. hmmm, i wonder why? maybe because marquez made him see the devil and pacquiao didn't want any more of that? besides, the boxing world wanted to see that fight and marquez even traveled to the philippines to confront pacquiao in front of his fans and a humiliated pacquiao could only utter something like, uh, um, i, wazzzzz, uh, aa, only, aa uh, lucky. what a ducker pacquiao was!

- lol...do you really think hatton was that good to begin with? sure, he was undefeated at jr. welter but who did he fight in that division? he sure as hell didn't fight anybody good. and besides, mayweather took his zero and frankly, hatton was never the same again. but i will admit though, that was a sickening knockout at the hands of pacquiao!!!

- regarding miguel angel cotto - the signs were there that he was on the downside. margarito (loaded gloves or not) ruined him. not to mention the catchweight in which pacquiao demanded for this fight. another hollow victory if you ask me.

listen, i'm not a pac hater. i just don't think he's the greatest thing since hotdogs, apple pie and chevrolet!!!

[Violent Demise]

bilbao,

no, the idiot is you. and first off, do you really think pacquiao was better than a prime de la hoya? man, that kool-aid must really taste good, huh?

You don't think Manny is better than a prime Oscar?

Manny is one of the best boxers of all time, already probably top 10, if he beat Floyd he would be top 5.

Yes he is better than a prime Oscar. Oscar lost every significant he ever fought, Trinidad, Mosley, Hopkins, Mayweather.

Manny beat everybody, how do they even compare?

Look at his resume

Morales
Barrera
Marquez
Hatton
De La Hoya
Cotto

All of them may yet make the Hall of Fame.

You know better than that. A blind man would tell you De La Hoya did not lose to Trinidad. And he went 1-1 with Mosley. A fighter being robbed should not be held against him. As for the thread question. Manny hit his prime as a Featherweight. Everything done at 130 and above should be discarded due to his steroid usage. Only a fool would think that Pacquiao gigantic ass head is normal.

[Master]

If a gigantic head makes him guilty then Oscar is on drugs too.

[Mar]

I think with any fighter thier prime all depends on who you talk to. A fan, media, the fighter himself etc. Basically the way it's used most often is if a fighter is winning he's in his prime, when he looses to someone better everyone says he's past it. It's usually used for people who like certain fighters as well. If a guy wins who you don't like, just say he won cause his opponet was past his prime. This term is used more as an excuse than it is a measure of the condition of a fighter.

[Mr140]

To me the one thing Pac has yet to do is beat a prime undefeated fighter. As oh late seems to pick up peoples left overs and i mean Mayweather gets shit for it but if pac does it seems not as many care. I don't like either but Hatton, Cotto, and Margarito all had career ending ass kicking's. Then all the sudden pac fights them after it, Pac is in the top 25 for sure but i think hes best was in the lower weights.

[Mr140]

One more thing when talking about Pac's spot in history is when he starts to lose and gets older. I mean look at what happen to Holyfeild to me he is one of the greatest but as he keeps on fighting, i am sure other peoples view of were he should be would change.

[CutMeMick]

I'm one of the few who still thinks he's reaching his prime at this point.
Many believe he's already reached it, others say he's peaked.

I think Pac will be one of those few rare fighters who retires with wins and not a several loses. Possibly even as a champ...

Like Carbajal, Monzon and Jofre (with wins)

[miron_lang]

I'm one of the few who still thinks he's reaching his prime at this point.
Many believe he's already reached it, others say he's peaked.

I think Pac will be one of those few rare fighters who retires with wins and not a several loses. Possibly even as a champ...

Like Carbajal, Monzon and Jofre (with wins)

I think now is Pac's PHYSICAL prime its only a matter of maintaining it. it could be all downhill from the Marg fight.

TECHNICALLY I think he's at 90%. Margarito should have not cause some damage.
He should learn to avoid unnecessary damages.

[Dizaster]

I'm one of the few who still thinks he's reaching his prime at this point.
Many believe he's already reached it, others say he's peaked.

I think Pac will be one of those few rare fighters who retires with wins and not a several loses. Possibly even as a champ...

Like Carbajal, Monzon and Jofre (with wins)

I think now is Pac's PHYSICAL prime its only a matter of maintaining it. it could be all downhill from the Marg fight.

TECHNICALLY I think he's at 90%. Margarito should have not cause some damage.
He should learn to avoid unnecessary damages.

I think it's the opposite.. technicality wise, he fights smarter than he ever has.... I just don't think physically he is what he was 4 to 5 years ago, and that made him take more from Margarito than he could have..

He has carried the weight up incredibly well though, so he can physically overpower BIG welterweights like Margarito and Cotto...


I think if "prime" encompasses everything like intelligence, physical attribute, mental will, skill etc.... Then right now as Mick said, he is absolutely prime and could look better in every fight he's in...

[miron_lang]

I think it's the opposite.. technicality wise, he fights smarter than he ever has.... I just don't think physically he is what he was 4 to 5 years ago, and that made him take more from Margarito than he could have..

He has carried the weight up incredibly well though, so he can physically overpower BIG welterweights like Margarito and Cotto...


I think if "prime" encompasses everything like intelligence, physical attribute, mental will, skill etc.... Then right now as Mick said, he is absolutely prime and could look better in every fight he's in...

That's another nice way of looking at it.

But i think PHYSICALLY the strength, stamina, speed, power etc are already at their PEAK. No way he could be faster, stronger, etc from this point.

Saying he is TECHNICALLY at his peak means there are no more additional skills he can acquire which i think is not the case because IMO Pac can still add up to his arsenal.

[Julius Rain]

thanks to the guys who got this thread back on track. These fxckin nuisance keep talking shit about one fighter that they hate so much but can't prevent themselves from not clicking on the tread. Damn Losers.

Anyways - I think pac has definitely improve above lightweight. He is smarter - for example: When cotto would go into a southpaw stance, first thing pac does it he throws a right hook that lands right on target. You can see that he is reading what is in front of him and will adjust and sometimes would change up his attack. Physically and technically I think pac has improve above lightweight. I do think he is at his prime right now in the welterweight division.

[Pavlik]

above lightweight, better use of the right hand and better footwork.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

he's had two primes....1 as a toe 2 toe brawler and now as a great move and hit boxer