JMM: I'll fight him at any weight he wants, not a problem since he was 148

[armin]

Before someone mentions that jmm would only be 2 fights removed from his poorest showing, well that was against a bigger skilled man, and at least in between he's faced two top ten lightweights and dominated them.

[generalbulldog]

Before someone mentions that jmm would only be 2 fights removed from his poorest showing, well that was against a bigger skilled man, and at least in between he's faced two top ten lightweights and dominated them.

Well wasn't Cotto 2 fights removed from his loss? But that excuse was still used not to mentioned the weight. So if he fights JMM a 3rd time that excuse will be used if they get it on, not to mentioned it will be said that Pac is fighting Floyd's leftovers and with weight issues, because the fight with JMM will take place above 135 for sure.

The best opponent out there is the winner of Bradley/Alexander who will be a solid top 10 p4p fighter and also undefeated. No one can really say anything about that, but of course if the fight takes place above 140, the people will say Pacquiao beat up a smaller man if he were to win.

[Julius Rain]

JMM is right, it wont matter which division him and pac fight at because they are still about the same size. If it were to be at 147 - both will weigh below that during weigh in and both will be just a few pounds over that if not below that.

However if pac beats JMM outside lightweight the excuse would be - JMM is too small for welterweights

This is interesting because people are saying Pac and Floyd are about the same size - yet when Floyd dominated JMM the excuse was the same - Floyd is too big and JMM doesn't belong above lightweight

If JMM and Pac are about the same size and Pac and Floyd are about the same size. Doesn't that mean Floyd and JMM are about the same size too?

[Kev]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Sugar Shane is finished because of his performance against Floyd, then how does Marquez escape that criticism?

Mosley at least hurt Floyd. Marquez lost 120-108 on all scorecards

For the record I believe Marquez loses to Mosley.

[armin]

I think most of us conclude that mosley is finished not just due to the pbf outing but also the mora outing...granted he's looked less than spectacular above welterweight before but he is 38 or something like that these days coming of 2 bad showings. Fight pbs, if that can't be made berto or bradley, or jmm. Not mosley, or cotto yet again.

[CFH]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Sugar Shane is finished because of his performance against Floyd, then how does Marquez escape that criticism?

Mosley at least hurt Floyd. Marquez lost 120-108 on all scorecards

For the record I believe Marquez loses to Mosley.

I assume the argument would go that while Marquez lost to Mayweather, was way out of his weightclass and he rebounded with some impressive performances over decent, though not great, opposition. Mosley looked awful against Sergio Mora and appears to be seriously on the slide.

[Julius Rain]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Sugar Shane is finished because of his performance against Floyd, then how does Marquez escape that criticism?

Mosley at least hurt Floyd. Marquez lost 120-108 on all scorecards

For the record I believe Marquez loses to Mosley.

I assume the argument would go that while Marquez lost to Mayweather, was way out of his weightclass and he rebounded with some impressive performances over decent, though not great opposition. Mosley looked awful against Sergio Mora and appears to be seriously on the slide.

I agree. However, JMM said it would not matter where he fights pac welterweight or lightweight. Clearly it did matter against Floyd. Maybe he does not believe Pac and Floyd are the same size.

[CFH]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Sugar Shane is finished because of his performance against Floyd, then how does Marquez escape that criticism?

Mosley at least hurt Floyd. Marquez lost 120-108 on all scorecards

For the record I believe Marquez loses to Mosley.

I assume the argument would go that while Marquez lost to Mayweather, was way out of his weightclass and he rebounded with some impressive performances over decent, though not great opposition. Mosley looked awful against Sergio Mora and appears to be seriously on the slide.

I agree. However, JMM said it would not matter where he fights pac welterweight or lightweight. Clearly it did matter against Floyd. Maybe he does not believe Pac and Floyd are the same size.

But it's obvious that JMM and Pacquiao are closer in size than JMM and PBF, regardless of what weight Pacquiao is current campaigning at.

[armin]

Before someone mentions that jmm would only be 2 fights removed from his poorest showing, well that was against a bigger skilled man, and at least in between he's faced two top ten lightweights and dominated them.

Well wasn't Cotto 2 fights removed from his loss? But that excuse was still used not to mentioned the weight. So if he fights JMM a 3rd time that excuse will be used if they get it on, not to mentioned it will be said that Pac is fighting Floyd's leftovers and with weight issues, because the fight with JMM will take place above 135 for sure.

The best opponent out there is the winner of Bradley/Alexander who will be a solid top 10 p4p fighter and also undefeated. No one can really say anything about that, but of course if the fight takes place above 140, the people will say Pacquiao beat up a smaller man if he were to win.

That's true cotto was 2 fights removed from his loss to marg, but one was against jennings, and the other against clottey. Jennings he was expected to win and against clottey he was lucky to win cause clottey decided to be clottey and not do jack shit, he looked far from spectacular. Where as jmm in his 2 fights after pbf has dominated 2 top ten lightweights . I'm not saying jmm pac 3 would be as good as the first 2 tho I think it could be, I'm just saying fighting jmm would be a lot better than fighting mosley.

[Gandalf]

If Marquez really thinks he can go in there at 147 and get the job done then fair enough, but I think his heart is ruling over his head a bit. Marquez has been looking great at LW, but Pac has been looking great at WW. That's a big difference in power and muscle mass. Okay, they could be a similar weight on fight night, but with Pac it's all muscle, with Marquez it's more about rehydration unless he decides to bulk up too and that just isn't going to work for Marquez at his age.

I would love for Marquez to go up there and silence all the Pacheads, but I just cannot see it being a fair fight with a WW weigh in. It is the same as what Mayweather did to Marquez and we were all on his case. And now that Manny is doing it, you are all giving him a free pass and saying what's the problem? Total double standards. At least I am never less than consistent.

[Kev]

If Marquez really thinks he can go in there at 147 and get the job done then fair enough, but I think his heart is ruling over his head a bit. Marquez has been looking great at LW, but Pac has been looking great at WW. That's a big difference in power and muscle mass. Okay, they could be a similar weight on fight night, but with Pac it's all muscle, with Marquez it's more about rehydration unless he decides to bulk up too and that just isn't going to work for Marquez at his age.

I would love for Marquez to go up there and silence all the Pacheads, but I just cannot see it being a fair fight with a WW weigh in. It is the same as what Mayweather did to Marquez and we were all on his case. And now that Manny is doing it, you are all giving him a free pass and saying what's the problem? Total double standards. At least I am never less than consistent.

Manny and Marquez are the same size and both left the superfeatherweight division together. All that has happened is that Manny has been far more successful. If Marquez wants him he has to go to where he now is. You may be consistent, but you are consistently wrong

Why would Manny give up his belts and go backwards to face a guy he already got the win against last time out?

You just don't seem to be in touch with the reality of the situation. Marquez is not a big draw. Manny beat him last time out and Manny is fighting at least two weight classes above him now. He has moved on.

[Gandalf]

If Marquez really thinks he can go in there at 147 and get the job done then fair enough, but I think his heart is ruling over his head a bit. Marquez has been looking great at LW, but Pac has been looking great at WW. That's a big difference in power and muscle mass. Okay, they could be a similar weight on fight night, but with Pac it's all muscle, with Marquez it's more about rehydration unless he decides to bulk up too and that just isn't going to work for Marquez at his age.

I would love for Marquez to go up there and silence all the Pacheads, but I just cannot see it being a fair fight with a WW weigh in. It is the same as what Mayweather did to Marquez and we were all on his case. And now that Manny is doing it, you are all giving him a free pass and saying what's the problem? Total double standards. At least I am never less than consistent.

Manny and Marquez are the same size and both left the superfeatherweight division together. All that has happened is that Manny has been far more successful. If Marquez wants him he has to go to where he now is. You may be consistent, but you are consistently wrong

Why would Manny give up his belts and go backwards to face a guy he already got the win against last time out?

You just don't seem to be in touch with the reality of the situation. Marquez is not a big draw. Manny beat him last time out and Manny is fighting at least two weight classes above him now. He has moved on.

No, what happened was that Marquez went up to LW and cleaned out the entire division and fought the best fighters. He has one attempt at WW against Mayweather and Mayweather was just too big for him. Since then he has gone back down to LW. Meanwhile, Pac cherrypicked Diaz and then made his assault on JWW and WW and yes, he has been very impressive. However, Marquez has been impressive too, but what Manny has been doing is no doubt more spectacular.

How am I wrong? It is a fact that I was amongst a large group of Mayweather critics who were not impressed with him choosing to come back against Marquez. The fight went exactly as we all thought. Mayweather was just too big for Marquez to do anything against. Marquez has been fighting at LW whereas Manny has been fighting at WW. Manny is younger and is somehow able to carry his speed and power up through multiple weight divisions. Nobody else has been able to it in such a fashion before. Marquez is the much more typical example of a smaller fighter that tries to force his way through the weights. He gets flabby and he loses speed. This hasn't happened with Manny and it is out of the ordinary. They are not of a similar size anymore. Marquez carries the weight through intensive rehydration, Manny carries it through pure muscle. They were of a similar size, but they are not any longer. Manny is a WW and Marquez a LW. If they would agree to meet at JWW, then that is the perfect compromise. As things stand, it is the same as Mayweather fighting Marquez at WW. However, Mayweather was attacked and Pacquiao is being given a free pass.

You say why would Manny agree to go down in weight and give up his belts. Well, you have already said that belts are meaningless and I agree. It is also a fact that most writers and fans think that Marquez deserved the nod in the last fight. So really, Pac is a draw and a loss down to Marquez, despite what the record books say. Why is Marquez even in consideration for the fight? Because Pac knows that Marquez is the bogeyman on his record and the best way to dispose of him is to puff him up and try and blow him away. It doesn't hurt that he has no WW pedigree and is old in boxing terms. Marquez deserves respect and sure, Manny could fight a Mosley coming off of a loss and a draw, but what's the point. We've already been spoonfed a cheating Margarito who had no place in a big fight. Why do we now get a fighter who hasn't won in 3 years and is nearly 40? It's a joke. At least reduce the 7000 calorie diet, lose a couple of pounds and give the fans a real fight against the guy who has arguably beaten him twice already. There could be no bigger statement from Manny to dispose of Marquez without handicapping him first. To place the handicap just erases any sense of validity that the fight might have had.

[Hornfinger]

Pac would win inside 5.

[Spicoli]

Boxing as a whole needs to stop waiting around on Mayweather and get on with fighters who actually want to fight. Don't think Jmm belongs anywhere above 140 but the history cannot be denied and I'd pay to see it. Marquez has rebounded after that Imo charade vs an at least jr middle Floyd with solid wins and Manny needs a dance partner. Two words.... Thunder-dome!

[NUCLEAR BULL]

i like JMM he's a good fighter whis given boxing some good nights of action....i make him right wirh what he said...mosely is washed up and theres always been a lack of ending to the pacman v jmm saga.....if its a matter of pac fights either mosley or jmm it should 100% be jmm.....before mayweather fans says pacs ducking jmm i'll say this...pac doesnt need to fight jmm but jmm needs to fight pac to continue his career at the top level....at 37 jmm knows those big nights infront of big crowds with hugh tv viewers are all but over in rapid quick time........if mayweather had the guts to step upto the plate we'd not be talking about these match-ups al all