JMM: I'll fight him at any weight he wants, not a problem since he was 148

[Kev]

If Marquez really thinks he can go in there at 147 and get the job done then fair enough, but I think his heart is ruling over his head a bit. Marquez has been looking great at LW, but Pac has been looking great at WW. That's a big difference in power and muscle mass. Okay, they could be a similar weight on fight night, but with Pac it's all muscle, with Marquez it's more about rehydration unless he decides to bulk up too and that just isn't going to work for Marquez at his age.

I would love for Marquez to go up there and silence all the Pacheads, but I just cannot see it being a fair fight with a WW weigh in. It is the same as what Mayweather did to Marquez and we were all on his case. And now that Manny is doing it, you are all giving him a free pass and saying what's the problem? Total double standards. At least I am never less than consistent.

Manny and Marquez are the same size and both left the superfeatherweight division together. All that has happened is that Manny has been far more successful. If Marquez wants him he has to go to where he now is. You may be consistent, but you are consistently wrong

Why would Manny give up his belts and go backwards to face a guy he already got the win against last time out?

You just don't seem to be in touch with the reality of the situation. Marquez is not a big draw. Manny beat him last time out and Manny is fighting at least two weight classes above him now. He has moved on.

[Gandalf]

If Marquez really thinks he can go in there at 147 and get the job done then fair enough, but I think his heart is ruling over his head a bit. Marquez has been looking great at LW, but Pac has been looking great at WW. That's a big difference in power and muscle mass. Okay, they could be a similar weight on fight night, but with Pac it's all muscle, with Marquez it's more about rehydration unless he decides to bulk up too and that just isn't going to work for Marquez at his age.

I would love for Marquez to go up there and silence all the Pacheads, but I just cannot see it being a fair fight with a WW weigh in. It is the same as what Mayweather did to Marquez and we were all on his case. And now that Manny is doing it, you are all giving him a free pass and saying what's the problem? Total double standards. At least I am never less than consistent.

Manny and Marquez are the same size and both left the superfeatherweight division together. All that has happened is that Manny has been far more successful. If Marquez wants him he has to go to where he now is. You may be consistent, but you are consistently wrong

Why would Manny give up his belts and go backwards to face a guy he already got the win against last time out?

You just don't seem to be in touch with the reality of the situation. Marquez is not a big draw. Manny beat him last time out and Manny is fighting at least two weight classes above him now. He has moved on.

No, what happened was that Marquez went up to LW and cleaned out the entire division and fought the best fighters. He has one attempt at WW against Mayweather and Mayweather was just too big for him. Since then he has gone back down to LW. Meanwhile, Pac cherrypicked Diaz and then made his assault on JWW and WW and yes, he has been very impressive. However, Marquez has been impressive too, but what Manny has been doing is no doubt more spectacular.

How am I wrong? It is a fact that I was amongst a large group of Mayweather critics who were not impressed with him choosing to come back against Marquez. The fight went exactly as we all thought. Mayweather was just too big for Marquez to do anything against. Marquez has been fighting at LW whereas Manny has been fighting at WW. Manny is younger and is somehow able to carry his speed and power up through multiple weight divisions. Nobody else has been able to it in such a fashion before. Marquez is the much more typical example of a smaller fighter that tries to force his way through the weights. He gets flabby and he loses speed. This hasn't happened with Manny and it is out of the ordinary. They are not of a similar size anymore. Marquez carries the weight through intensive rehydration, Manny carries it through pure muscle. They were of a similar size, but they are not any longer. Manny is a WW and Marquez a LW. If they would agree to meet at JWW, then that is the perfect compromise. As things stand, it is the same as Mayweather fighting Marquez at WW. However, Mayweather was attacked and Pacquiao is being given a free pass.

You say why would Manny agree to go down in weight and give up his belts. Well, you have already said that belts are meaningless and I agree. It is also a fact that most writers and fans think that Marquez deserved the nod in the last fight. So really, Pac is a draw and a loss down to Marquez, despite what the record books say. Why is Marquez even in consideration for the fight? Because Pac knows that Marquez is the bogeyman on his record and the best way to dispose of him is to puff him up and try and blow him away. It doesn't hurt that he has no WW pedigree and is old in boxing terms. Marquez deserves respect and sure, Manny could fight a Mosley coming off of a loss and a draw, but what's the point. We've already been spoonfed a cheating Margarito who had no place in a big fight. Why do we now get a fighter who hasn't won in 3 years and is nearly 40? It's a joke. At least reduce the 7000 calorie diet, lose a couple of pounds and give the fans a real fight against the guy who has arguably beaten him twice already. There could be no bigger statement from Manny to dispose of Marquez without handicapping him first. To place the handicap just erases any sense of validity that the fight might have had.

[Hornfinger]

Pac would win inside 5.

[Spicoli]

Boxing as a whole needs to stop waiting around on Mayweather and get on with fighters who actually want to fight. Don't think Jmm belongs anywhere above 140 but the history cannot be denied and I'd pay to see it. Marquez has rebounded after that Imo charade vs an at least jr middle Floyd with solid wins and Manny needs a dance partner. Two words.... Thunder-dome!

[CutMeMick]

They should get it on and put this question to rest - once and for all. Make it a 15 rounder!

I love that idea...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Sugar Shane is finished because of his performance against Floyd, then how does Marquez escape that criticism?

Mosley at least hurt Floyd. Marquez lost 120-108 on all scorecards

For the record I believe Marquez loses to Mosley.

I speak for myself when I say that for me "Your only as good as your last performance".
Yes JMM lost every round to PBF.
Yes SSM rocked and won 2 rds. vs. PBF.
Yes SSM did better vs. PBF.

However since then JMM immediately bounced back and put on 2 good to brilliant performances.
SSM on the other hand?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Sugar Shane is finished because of his performance against Floyd, then how does Marquez escape that criticism?

Mosley at least hurt Floyd. Marquez lost 120-108 on all scorecards

For the record I believe Marquez loses to Mosley.

I assume the argument would go that while Marquez lost to Mayweather, was way out of his weightclass and he rebounded with some impressive performances over decent, though not great opposition. Mosley looked awful against Sergio Mora and appears to be seriously on the slide.

I agree. However, JMM said it would not matter where he fights pac welterweight or lightweight. Clearly it did matter against Floyd. Maybe he does not believe Pac and Floyd are the same size.

IMO, I feel that JMM is saying whatever it takes to get Pac to sign the deal and he'll worry about the rest later.
He just want's Pac in the ring.
I personally think it's stupid of JMM to think he can beat Pac at 147.
Not because of the PBF fight. But because clearly that's not a weight that suits him.
It would be who of JMM to have the fight be at 140 or 135.
But I'm certain Pac realizes that it's in his (Pacs) best interest to make JMM give up whatever he can as it is for any fighter prior to the fight.
Whether it's gloves, ring size whatever it maybe. In this case weight.
I think 147 better suits Pac. But we will never really know unless it happens.

CFH, I completely agree with you and view it the same way...

[CutMeMick]

Ok.

For those who are talking/mentioning this ordeal about JMM's performance vs. PBF let me shine some light on this...

Pac moves up to 154 and faces Sergio.
Sergio dominates him in the same fashion PBF dominated JMM.
Does that mean Pac is finished?

Go ahead I'll give you time to think it over.

In the mean time...

JMM did not receive the "He's finished criticism" after the PBF fight because it was clear he was fighting out of his class. Or who know's maybe that's how great PBF really is that the 2nd/3rd P4P fighter in the world couldn't even touch him. Maybe his greatness is that much more then the rest.

[Julius Rain]

Ok.

For those who are talking/mentioning this ordeal about JMM's performance vs. PBF let me shine some light on this...

Pac moves up to 154 and faces Sergio.
Sergio dominates him in the same fashion PBF dominated JMM.
Does that mean Pac is finished?

Go ahead I'll give you time to think it over.

In the mean time...

JMM did not receive the "He's finished criticism" after the PBF fight because it was clear he was fighting out of his class. Or who know's maybe that's how great PBF really is that the 2nd/3rd P4P fighter in the world couldn't even touch him. Maybe his greatness is that much more then the rest.

That is what I've been trying to figure out.

A. Floyd is so good JMM couldn't win a single round.

B. JMM look like shit due to the weight.

A or B? We will never know unless JMM fights again above 135. If he fights pac above 135 and he gets dominated, there wont be much credit to give to pac for the win cause JMM has not proven himself above 135.

I would love a third match but it looks like pac would need to cut down to 135 to get credit in a victory over JMM. JMM does not have any success above 135. However if JMM beats Pac above 135, IMO he and Floyd are greater fighters then Pac.

[CutMeMick]

Ok.

For those who are talking/mentioning this ordeal about JMM's performance vs. PBF let me shine some light on this...

Pac moves up to 154 and faces Sergio.
Sergio dominates him in the same fashion PBF dominated JMM.
Does that mean Pac is finished?

Go ahead I'll give you time to think it over.

In the mean time...

JMM did not receive the "He's finished criticism" after the PBF fight because it was clear he was fighting out of his class. Or who know's maybe that's how great PBF really is that the 2nd/3rd P4P fighter in the world couldn't even touch him. Maybe his greatness is that much more then the rest.

That is what I've been trying to figure out.

A. Floyd is so good JMM couldn't win a single round.

B. JMM look like shit due to the weight.

A or B? We will never know unless JMM fights again above 135. If he fights pac above 135 and he gets dominated, there wont be much credit to give to pac for the win cause JMM has not proven himself above 135.

I would love a third match but it looks like pac would need to cut down to 135 to get credit in a victory over JMM. JMM does not have any success above 135. However if JMM beats Pac above 135, IMO he and Floyd are greater fighters then Pac.

I think that 140 or 135 is perfect for both...
Neither one has an advantage.

But that's not how the game is played.
It's about getting the upper hand.
Whatever the case Pac get's credit for a win in my eyes.
A bit questionable at 147 but nonetheless a win.

The only people that wont credit him are trolls and let's be honest their opinions don't count.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

i like JMM he's a good fighter whis given boxing some good nights of action....i make him right wirh what he said...mosely is washed up and theres always been a lack of ending to the pacman v jmm saga.....if its a matter of pac fights either mosley or jmm it should 100% be jmm.....before mayweather fans says pacs ducking jmm i'll say this...pac doesnt need to fight jmm but jmm needs to fight pac to continue his career at the top level....at 37 jmm knows those big nights infront of big crowds with hugh tv viewers are all but over in rapid quick time........if mayweather had the guts to step upto the plate we'd not be talking about these match-ups al all