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If Marquez really thinks he can go in there at 147 and get the job done then fair enough, but I think his heart is ruling over his head a bit. Marquez has been looking great at LW, but Pac has been looking great at WW. That's a big difference in power and muscle mass. Okay, they could be a similar weight on fight night, but with Pac it's all muscle, with Marquez it's more about rehydration unless he decides to bulk up too and that just isn't going to work for Marquez at his age.

I would love for Marquez to go up there and silence all the Pacheads, but I just cannot see it being a fair fight with a WW weigh in. It is the same as what Mayweather did to Marquez and we were all on his case. And now that Manny is doing it, you are all giving him a free pass and saying what's the problem? Total double standards. At least I am never less than consistent.
Manny and Marquez are the same size and both left the superfeatherweight division together. All that has happened is that Manny has been far more successful. If Marquez wants him he has to go to where he now is. You may be consistent, but you are consistently wrong

Why would Manny give up his belts and go backwards to face a guy he already got the win against last time out?

You just don't seem to be in touch with the reality of the situation. Marquez is not a big draw. Manny beat him last time out and Manny is fighting at least two weight classes above him now. He has moved on.
No, what happened was that Marquez went up to LW and cleaned out the entire division and fought the best fighters. He has one attempt at WW against Mayweather and Mayweather was just too big for him. Since then he has gone back down to LW. Meanwhile, Pac cherrypicked Diaz and then made his assault on JWW and WW and yes, he has been very impressive. However, Marquez has been impressive too, but what Manny has been doing is no doubt more spectacular.

How am I wrong? It is a fact that I was amongst a large group of Mayweather critics who were not impressed with him choosing to come back against Marquez. The fight went exactly as we all thought. Mayweather was just too big for Marquez to do anything against. Marquez has been fighting at LW whereas Manny has been fighting at WW. Manny is younger and is somehow able to carry his speed and power up through multiple weight divisions. Nobody else has been able to it in such a fashion before. Marquez is the much more typical example of a smaller fighter that tries to force his way through the weights. He gets flabby and he loses speed. This hasn't happened with Manny and it is out of the ordinary. They are not of a similar size anymore. Marquez carries the weight through intensive rehydration, Manny carries it through pure muscle. They were of a similar size, but they are not any longer. Manny is a WW and Marquez a LW. If they would agree to meet at JWW, then that is the perfect compromise. As things stand, it is the same as Mayweather fighting Marquez at WW. However, Mayweather was attacked and Pacquiao is being given a free pass.

You say why would Manny agree to go down in weight and give up his belts. Well, you have already said that belts are meaningless and I agree. It is also a fact that most writers and fans think that Marquez deserved the nod in the last fight. So really, Pac is a draw and a loss down to Marquez, despite what the record books say. Why is Marquez even in consideration for the fight? Because Pac knows that Marquez is the bogeyman on his record and the best way to dispose of him is to puff him up and try and blow him away. It doesn't hurt that he has no WW pedigree and is old in boxing terms. Marquez deserves respect and sure, Manny could fight a Mosley coming off of a loss and a draw, but what's the point. We've already been spoonfed a cheating Margarito who had no place in a big fight. Why do we now get a fighter who hasn't won in 3 years and is nearly 40? It's a joke. At least reduce the 7000 calorie diet, lose a couple of pounds and give the fans a real fight against the guy who has arguably beaten him twice already. There could be no bigger statement from Manny to dispose of Marquez without handicapping him first. To place the handicap just erases any sense of validity that the fight might have had.