Why would Marquez be a more viable opponent than Mosley for Manny?

[ono]

Do you think Marquez vs. Pacquiao at 147 would be more interesting?

Definitely. Marquez doesn't have to weigh in at 147. He can weigh in at around 138lb ish. Pacquiao will weigh in at around 147lbs. When they re-hydrate, Pacquiao would probably only be around 150lbs and Marquez would be around 145-147lbs. I don't think it will make a tonne of difference.

It's not his size and strength that are dangerous to Pacquiao. It's his all round ability. It would be much more exciting than Pacquiao - Mosley.

[Rantcatrat]

Do you think Marquez vs. Pacquiao at 147 would be more interesting?

No but at 140lb it would be but that will not happen, Pac will not give JMM that advantage.

Exactly. Why would Pacquiao move down to 140? It wouldn't make any sense. He is at 147 now.

[Rantcatrat]

Do you think Marquez vs. Pacquiao at 147 would be more interesting?

Definitely. Marquez doesn't have to weigh in at 147. He can weigh in at around 138lb ish. Pacquiao will weigh in at around 147lbs. When they re-hydrate, Pacquiao would probably only be around 150lbs and Marquez would be around 145-147lbs. I don't think it will make a tonne of difference.

It's not his size and strength that are dangerous to Pacquiao. It's his all round ability. It would be much more exciting than Pacquiao - Mosley.

I'm just not sure. I'm not convinced Marquez is as effective above 135 and I'm not convinced Mosley isn't completely passed it at this point in his career. That is why I think a Bradley fight gives Pacquiao the most credibility.

If you were Marquez and you wanted the fight with Pacquiao so badly, and Pacquiao is now fighting at 147 and 150 pounds, what would you do put yourself in the best possible position to get the fight? I would challenge a big name at 140 or 147 and then give Pacquiao no excuses. What does Marquez do? He fights Kastidis at 135. It makes me wonder how comfortable Marquez really is above 135. If I were him, I'd be championing to fight the winner of the Bradley/Alexander or Maidana/Khan fight or Shane Mosley himself.

[fan johnny]

Do you think Marquez vs. Pacquiao at 147 would be more interesting?

Definitely. Marquez doesn't have to weigh in at 147. He can weigh in at around 138lb ish. Pacquiao will weigh in at around 147lbs. When they re-hydrate, Pacquiao would probably only be around 150lbs and Marquez would be around 145-147lbs. I don't think it will make a tonne of difference.

It's not his size and strength that are dangerous to Pacquiao. It's his all round ability. It would be much more exciting than Pacquiao - Mosley.

I'm just not sure. I'm not convinced Marquez is as effective above 135 and I'm not convinced Mosley isn't completely passed it at this point in his career. That is why I think a Bradley fight gives Pacquiao the most credibility.

If you were Marquez and you wanted the fight with Pacquiao so badly, and Pacquiao is now fighting at 147 and 150 pounds, what would you do put yourself in the best possible position to get the fight? I would challenge a big name at 140 or 147 and then give Pacquiao no excuses. What does Marquez do? He fights Kastidis at 135. It makes me wonder how comfortable Marquez really is above 135. If I were him, I'd be championing to fight the winner of the Bradley/Alexander or Maidana/Khan fight or Shane Mosley himself.

Is it your logic or are you just thinking superficial here? I don't get it. How does it make any difference what weight class they set the fight at? They will both step into the ring at their fighting weight. Their weight will be pretty close to the weight they fought at as super featherweights. The only difference I see is they don't have to dehydrate to make weight. Wouldn't it be more comfortable for both fighters to come in at their natural fighting weight than to have to dehydrate to make a lower weight?

[KKisser]

Do you think Marquez vs. Pacquiao at 147 would be more interesting?

No but at 140lb it would be but that will not happen, Pac will not give JMM that advantage.

Exactly. Why would Pacquiao move down to 140? It wouldn't make any sense. He is at 147 now.

well if a pac-jmm fight does get made pac better move down in weight to make it more interesting so that more people will watch it and buy the ppv. if the fight is at 147 then pacquiao is no better than floyd.

i don't think manny will have problem making 140lbs. even 142-144lbs is better than 147.

[amat]

I think Killer and Spicoli hit it when he said it's down to punch selection. Mosley has just been doing the same thing over and over again. He could barely find Sergio Mora, he won (or should've won) that fight on pure aggression where Marquez places his shots better then anyone in the game outside of Mayweahter. More intelligent fighter at this point with more in the tank and oh yeah, he's the only guy since Morales to put Pacquiao in any sort of deep water. I think that's a fight that'll force Pacquiao to come back down to Earth more. Outside of Mayweather, that's the best fight available for Pacquiao.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

I think Killer and Spicoli hit it when he said it's down to punch selection. Mosley has just been doing the same thing over and over again. He could barely find Sergio Mora, he won (or should've won) that fight on pure aggression where Marquez places his shots better then anyone in the game outside of Mayweahter. More intelligent fighter at this point with more in the tank and oh yeah, he's the only guy since Morales to put Pacquiao in any sort of deep water. I think that's a fight that'll force Pacquiao to come back down to Earth more. Outside of Mayweather, that's the best fight available for Pacquiao.

There is definitely a better choice of opponent for Pacquiao than Mosley but Marquez ain't it.
With Marquez' weight at 144, Mayweather was practically sparring with him. I think were footwork is concerned, Marquez can't afford to fight guys who can jump about the way Pacquiao does. Plus unless the fight is at 135 (were imo Pacquiao would be weaker than he is now, despite being in a class of smaller guys), Marquez is in no position to carry the weight the same way Pacquiao has. Wrong age, wrong body type, just wrong.

He would just be conceding more and more mobility, strength and power the HIGHER in weight he goes.

IF by some slight chance the fight was at 135 then I might give Marquez a chance of making the full 12 but anywhere north of 135 and he gets walked over. I mean completely annihilated

I really hope this fight doesn't get made.

[fan johnny]

I think Killer and Spicoli hit it when he said it's down to punch selection. Mosley has just been doing the same thing over and over again. He could barely find Sergio Mora, he won (or should've won) that fight on pure aggression where Marquez places his shots better then anyone in the game outside of Mayweahter. More intelligent fighter at this point with more in the tank and oh yeah, he's the only guy since Morales to put Pacquiao in any sort of deep water. I think that's a fight that'll force Pacquiao to come back down to Earth more. Outside of Mayweather, that's the best fight available for Pacquiao.

There is definitely a better choice of opponent for Pacquiao than Mosley but Marquez ain't it.
With Marquez' weight at 144, Mayweather was practically sparring with him. I think were footwork is concerned, Marquez can't afford to fight guys who can jump about the way Pacquiao does. Plus unless the fight is at 135 (were imo Pacquiao would be weaker than he is now, despite being in a class of smaller guys), Marquez is in no position to carry the weight the same way Pacquiao has. Wrong age, wrong body type, just wrong.

He would just be conceding more and more mobility, strength and power the HIGHER in weight he goes.

IF by some slight chance the fight was at 135 then I might give Marquez a chance of making the full 12 but anywhere north of 135 and he gets walked over. I mean completely annihilated

I really hope this fight doesn't get made.

Uh? Wouldn't the age for making a lower weight favor the younger fighter and coming in at a more natural fighting weight favor the older fighter?

I believe the weight issue for Marquez losing to Mayweather was mostly mental. Mayweather beats Marquez because of his style and ring savvy every day of the week.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Johnny, I'll put it this way.

Both fighters optimal weights have changed (inevitably gone up) over the years but it's the performances the two have put on that show that while one is basically growing old, the other is growing stronger.

Also, Pacquiao also appears to be naturally capable (and comfortable) at fighting at a higher weight.

*Marquez' optimal weight is probably 135(ish)
*Pacquiao's optimal weight is now 144(ish)

With Pacquiao being Pacquiao I can't see the fight being made below 144. So IMO that's bad news for Marquez, who's fights in a way that see's experience prevail. However, foor all his mastery, it's not like guys like Katsidis and Diaz haven't been able to get to him. Even a shot Cassamayor was beating him before he got stopped.

I understand that a lot of people could say that Manny looks a lot better facing these guys who just come marching forward but you have to just look at the way he pulverised Miguel Cotto to see how that argument is made redundant.

Manny is much fresher, even moreso at the higher weights. (above 135). It would be WORSE than the Cotto beat down. The way I see it, Marquez speed is becoming laborious. Manny is in overdrive.

It would be horrible to watch I can't stress enough how much I REALLY do no want this fight to happen

[Taeth]

Johnny, I'll put it this way.

Both fighters optimal weights have changed (inevitably gone up) over the years but it's the performances the two have put on that show that while one is basically growing old, the other is growing stronger.

Also, Pacquiao also appears to be naturally capable (and comfortable) at fighting at a higher weight.

*Marquez' optimal weight is probably 135(ish)
*Pacquiao's optimal weight is now 144(ish)

With Pacquiao being Pacquiao I can't see the fight being made below 144. So IMO that's bad news for Marquez, who's fights in a way that see's experience prevail. However, foor all his mastery, it's not like guys like Katsidis and Diaz haven't been able to get to him. Even a shot Cassamayor was beating him before he got stopped.

I understand that a lot of people could say that Manny looks a lot better facing these guys who just come marching forward but you have to just look at the way he pulverised Miguel Cotto to see how that argument is made redundant.

Manny is much fresher, even moreso at the higher weights. (above 135). It would be WORSE than the Cotto beat down. The way I see it, Marquez speed is becoming laborious. Manny is in overdrive.

It would be horrible to watch I can't stress enough how much I REALLY do no want this fight to happen

I disagree I think Manny's best weight would probably be lightweight, he wouldn't have to cut hard and his speed would still be better than anyone's. Honestly at this point after re-watching older Pacquiao fights, I think he's moved beyond Marquez's level of skill. The problem with Pacquiao when he was lighter is he would start throwing punches so far away from his opponent, and it would hamper his combinations and fluidity. I think now that he uses footwork more effectively, and he has a better idea of timing and range that he would be too good for Marquez. THe difference between the first and second fight is very clear. Even in the rounds MArquez was winning Manny was doing a lot better in the second fight, and he actually has continued to improve. I think having guys like Amir Khan around have really helped Pacquiao develop his boxing skills as opposed to just his fighting skills which he used to only have.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

TBH, I agree with everything you just said... Except the 135 part.

Pac is different animal now. But I don't think you'll be seeing him at 135 ever again. I mean of course time will tell but you'll see

[fan johnny]

TBH, I agree with everything you just said... Except the 135 part.

Pac is different animal now. But I don't think you'll be seeing him at 135 ever again. I mean of course time will tell but you'll see

I kinda agree with Taeth. I think Pacquiao has all the size and speed advantages at 135. I don't see how optimal weight equates to making weight:

"*Marquez' optimal weight is probably 135(ish)" ring weight 144
"*Pacquiao's optimal weight is now 144(ish)" ring weight 148

Pacquiao is 4 lbs north of Marquez. If age is a factor making weight, I don't see how 135 favors Marquez.

Pacquiao says he is different (24/7) since he last fought Marquez because he now studies fighters tapes and forms a fight plan. His performance in the ring backups that statement.

I don't think we'll see him at 135 either, but not because he can't make the weight. I think we don't see him there because the is no more money incentive for him to be there than there is for him to be at 147. Why should he cut his weight if he doesn't have to?

[Andre]

Because he doesn't do jab,jab overhand right over and over and over.

Exactly, Mosely relied on speed and whatever he got found guilty of using. Now he has slowed down hes not as effective. Notice in the Mayorga fight, Ricardo was outboxing him and Mosely has the energy to land a decent few shots in the final seconds but also doesnt need to be tested

Marquez is a much better boxer than Mosely and has already proven he has Mannys number. Ok Morales beat him but in the rematches he couldnt repeat that but Marquez will always handle Manny.

This is a daft question. "JMM did say it didn't matter which division he fights pac at, but did it matter against floyd?"

Marquez would do better against Manny and not Floyd because Floyd is better than Manny! Simples!!

Sorry where was Ricardo outboxing Mosley in that fight, it was awkward, but Mosley was landing way better shots than Mayorga was. At no point was Mayorga really winning rounds, he was just making in an awkward fight. HE was landing like 10% of his punches against Shane.

Shane's performance against Margarito was considered arguably his best ever, he looked good against Collazo and Cotto who are really good and great fighters respectively.

Honestly Mora would be hard for anyone to look good against, he has a slick style that was almost B-hopish with a jab that night. There is no way that Mosley was going to look good against that style, and I wondered why he ever took that fight because unless he stopped MOra it was ugly, but he should have won that fight and landed way more punches than Mora. I'm not even sure Floyd or Manny would have looked good against Mora. It's just a pain in the ass style to deal with.

Mosley still has tremendous speed, and more than enough of it to land on Manny, he has that cracking power when he really lands, he hits so hard to the body, and he's probably as durable as anyone has been in boxing's history. I mean he has taken some helacious punches in his career. I think you put a guy like Manny who likes to fight and use speed, and we have Mosley at his absolute best in an absolute war.

I think Mosleys excessive speed with power used to come from his ability to move in a straight line and strike with divine timing. Its was like watching a mobile gunslinger whenever he fought someone who would be right in front of him,specially someone without a jab, he came into his own.

Manny is sharper and for longer, he will time him instead and be moving around freely replying with those angles of his own.

I think Shane will get caught moving in.