Wikileaks? Are you for or against what they are doing?

[Andre]

The issue I have with this is that people (the goofball liberal loonies out there like miles and dare I say those even farther to the left than he) will glorify Assange to be some sort of righteous leader trying to spread truth and fact seemingly for no other reasons than he wants to end all wars. The FACT of the situation is that he DOES have an agenda and if "ending all wars" truly is his goal, then why leak information about countries wanting to take out Iran (more specifically Ahmidinijad[sp?]). Just the leaking of that information alone is a threat to national security, we're talking about a nation that is soon to have nuclear capabilities (albeit with shitty North Korean rockets, but it'll still affect our Allies in that area and maybe even those in Europe).

Assange is just your typical narcissistic leftist anarchist who wants to take El Che's place on the red t-shirts sold at head shops.


As for what should be done about him, well #1 We demolish his sources because leaking secrets is basically treason or at best espionage #2 He controls the site, he produced the forum for it, and he should be held accountable for what he's done and apparently unlike you miles, I consider it a very serious threat to national security and the economy as well now that they've delved into that as well.

I think I agree with the treason thing.
But then we have total freedom of speech, Geneva conventions, rules of engament its confusing to know where to draw the line in this high tech world of info with no secrets.

This type of stuff isnt good for anyone, it will force some agencies deeper under ground (thats a worry because these are usually full of humans with zero conscious: they only have agendas. (The ones who run such things as counter espionage). That type of secrecy leads to some sectors having zero accountability.
(Its exactly what they want too) which makes them even worse.

[Kev]

The issue I have with this is that people (the goofball liberal loonies out there like miles and dare I say those even farther to the left than he) will glorify Assange to be some sort of righteous leader trying to spread truth and fact seemingly for no other reasons than he wants to end all wars. The FACT of the situation is that he DOES have an agenda and if "ending all wars" truly is his goal, then why leak information about countries wanting to take out Iran (more specifically Ahmidinijad[sp?]). Just the leaking of that information alone is a threat to national security, we're talking about a nation that is soon to have nuclear capabilities (albeit with shitty North Korean rockets, but it'll still affect our Allies in that area and maybe even those in Europe).

Assange is just your typical narcissistic leftist anarchist who wants to take El Che's place on the red t-shirts sold at head shops.


As for what should be done about him, well #1 We demolish his sources because leaking secrets is basically treason or at best espionage #2 He controls the site, he produced the forum for it, and he should be held accountable for what he's done and apparently unlike you miles, I consider it a very serious threat to national security and the economy as well now that they've delved into that as well.

I think I agree with the treason thing.
But then we have total freedom of speech, Geneva conventions, rules of engament its confusing to know where to draw the line in this high tech world of info with no secrets.

This type of stuff isnt good for anyone, it will force some agencies deeper under ground (thats a worry because these are usually full of humans with zero conscious: they only have agendas. (The ones who run such things as counter espionage). That type of secrecy leads to some sectors having zero accountability.
(Its exactly what they want too) which makes them even worse.

I don't think this has anything to do with freedom of speech. They are basically stealing classified information, it's a serious threat indeed. And Assange doesn't do it in even a halfway responsible way.

I hope he gets life in prison and then America use his revelations as proof that Iran is a threat even to it's neighbours and take them out.

It's been a real shot in the arm for America and Israel in the opinions of most I think.

I even found conspiracy theories online that say Assange is actually working for the CIA as a propagandist to try and paint Israel in a good light and twist scenarios in the middle east to portray Iran as the bad guys. Lack of evidence against Israel is a proof of a cover up it seems. I imagine this the viewpoint that Miles will be trumpeting when he comes back

[Andre]

Yeah your right, its unfortunate but national security is of course a necessity.

Im not so much talking about this area of info and its direct repercussions but it will stem down into other areas of security now too. Fear breeds contempt and both grow faster when pushed underground.

I just dont like the scruples of those who are behind some things in each country and how they actually operate outside of the law already.

This will do more damage than good in many areas it could have them all re evaluate structures of whos who and who is privy to certain info which will send them into a protective void that will then give them more free reign to act in their area without fear of having to answer to anyone, that could spell out future corruption to some human rights.

[CFH]

I feel pretty ambivalent about it to be honest. Not really sure what my thoughts our.

I did listen to an ex-spy say that she thought it might have been the CIA who arranged for the information to be leaked as a psy-ops operation (not that the wikileaks guy would know this). She said that she thought that they would include one or two pieces of key information (IE the shit about Iran) and a whole bunch of meaningless other stuff in order to shape peoples opinions.

[AdamGB]

I have no sympathy for him... clean your own closet and then come and clean others.