Quote Originally Posted by El Kabong View Post
Your ravings about elites and unchecked power just leads me to believe that no matter the cost you consider America a great evil and you want it brought down to size.

I merely state that before you put all your eggs in that basket you consider the alternative to what we have today. Consider Nazi or Soviet rule, Communism and Socialism may be terms you agree to on paper but once again in the real world those forms of government bring nothing good to the table and the elites of those societies are hypocrites of the highest order and corrupt to boot.

These leaks can cause trouble, what happens if he leaks something that draws a military response from a nation like Iran or North Korea. And don't give me that "Iran has had to build its army to make sure its safe" bullcrap, they want Israel off the map, they've said as much and with no leaks needed
I am suspicious of any form of concentrated power. I become extremely suspicious when nations attack other nations without consideration of the legal and moral ramifications. I become even more suspicious when that nation decides to go after an individual who has done nothing more than show some of the dirty linen. So on that basis I think it would do the world a great deal of good to see America cut down to size, to at least force it to become a more reflective and responsible superpower.

I do consider the alternatives. I look at China and am appalled by how they treat dissidents. I am appalled by the lack of basic rights and freedoms, but at the same time I look at the West and am appalled at all the corporations that have gone to China to take advantage of cheap labour. The west has made China what it is and so ultimately we are responsible for that political system. How can we judge them when we were so quick to buy their cheaply made products? In fact I look at America as a state that is rapidly beginning to take on the qualities of a fascist state. Not quite what the Nazi's had, but the way the media colluded to build up the need for war in Iraq was blatant propaganda, the way the government works for the interests of large corporations rather than the general population, the ridiculous homeland security expansion. Freedoms are being stripped away and freedom of thought is being clamped down upon. Anyone who disagrees is either a terrorist or dare I say it a socialist!

Communism and socialism are very nice words on paper, but in practice communism doesn't work. Socialism on the other hand can be and is very successful. Of course Friedman style economists would disagree, but I don't see how you can argue against the benefits of nationalised utilities and public transportation, universal healthcare and a sufficient welfare state. These are not only good things on paper, but the types of things that responsible and reflective states provide to their citizens and they do the world over. Most countries that have been forced to accept Friedman style economic policies have ultimately rejected them. Freemarket capitalism is what has failed and you are seeing it right now in America.

Iran and North Korea are extremely small fish at the end of the day. The biggest threat to world peace is America, so just maybe America should clean itself up and stop being such a bully. Your nation is responsible for the murder of how many people on this planet and you are concerned about what a number of released files might do to provoke a response from Iran and North Korea? Has Iran gone and invaded Israel? Has North Korea gone and invaded the south? And how many people have these released documents killed? A whole lot of shoulda/woulda's, but no actual substance.