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Re: Which draw was the biggest robbery?
LMAO
Why do you think in all of those catch weight fights no one lost due to being drained??
IT BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER WHO ASKED FOR THE CATCH WEIGHT DID IT FOR ADVANTAGEOUS REASONS.
They did it as a median, not to have as many advantages over the other fighter, or take hope that fighter won't be at there best.
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Re: Which draw was the biggest robbery?
hahahaha. This is the type of response I was talking about in other threads about people being inconsistent about criticizing catchweight bouts. It's alright for other guys to demand catchweights such as DLH, Leonard, Chavez, because they weren't looking to do it for advantageous reasons, they only did it as a median. LMFAO!Originally Posted by hardcore_crash
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Re: Which draw was the biggest robbery?
Listen, when you spend the last TWO YEARS asking for catch weights for EVERYONE around 140-154 then there is a difference.hahahaha. This is the type of response I was talking about in other threads about people being inconsistent about criticizing catchweight bouts. It's alright for other guys to demand catchweights such as DLH, Leonard, Chavez, because they weren't looking to do it for advantageous reasons, they only did it as a median. LMFAO!
For forbes, de la hoya asked for 150 because he was planning on fighting at a weight he hadn't fought in over a decade.
He looked fat and out of shape for Felix, so the Bernard fight he did look more in shape at a catch weight.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE has asked for as much catch weights as Pacquioa.
And the reason I said he uses it to his advantage is this,,,,
Pac was ok to fight DLH at 147, then Hatton at 140, all of a sudden he needs a fight with the champ at 145 with Cotto, Next fight its ok at 147.
As much as you like to think you are subjective you are really not, and spend a lot more time defending Pacquiao than you would like to admit.
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Re: Which draw was the biggest robbery?
Pacquiao only has fought at 2 catchweight fights the same as De La Hoya. So it's okay for DLH to ask for catchweight fights but not Pacquiao? Right! And Leonard fought at 3 catchweight fights more than Pacquiao has. That's actually1 of the most in modern times.Listen, when you spend the last TWO YEARS asking for catch weights for EVERYONE around 140-154 then there is a difference.hahahaha. This is the type of response I was talking about in other threads about people being inconsistent about criticizing catchweight bouts. It's alright for other guys to demand catchweights such as DLH, Leonard, Chavez, because they weren't looking to do it for advantageous reasons, they only did it as a median. LMFAO!
For forbes, de la hoya asked for 150 because he was planning on fighting at a weight he hadn't fought in over a decade.
He looked fat and out of shape for Felix, so the Bernard fight he did look more in shape at a catch weight.
NO ONE and I mean NO ONE has asked for as much catch weights as Pacquioa.
And the reason I said he uses it to his advantage is this,,,,
Pac was ok to fight DLH at 147, then Hatton at 140, all of a sudden he needs a fight with the champ at 145 with Cotto, Next fight its ok at 147.
As much as you like to think you are subjective you are really not, and spend a lot more time defending Pacquiao than you would like to admit.
It's either are catchweight fights are okay or not? Not try to say it's okay for certain boxers while it's not okay for another. You're either for it, against it or don't really care.
At least some posters here like Miles are consistent, that they criticize any boxer that uses it not try to find some excuse why it's okay for their favorite fighter to use it and then criticize another for doing the same thing.
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This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's
Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.
Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up
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This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's
Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.
Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up
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Do I need to say more??
Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.
Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before
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Re: Which draw was the biggest robbery?
The article was written by Lem Satterfield, Michael Marley's equivalent but on the other side.
This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's
Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.
Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up
Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title
Do I need to say more??
Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.
Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before
The same guy that reported Clottey was at a catchweight. BTW the article did state there is a possiblity but more than likely it will not be at catchweight. Looks like the joke is on you.
Almost as good as your other post that guys like Leonard, DLH, Chavez that asked for catchweights did it not to gain an advantage but as a median.
It's either you are for or against it, not pick 1 guy is allowed to do it while another guy can't.
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The joke is on me because there is a possibility for another catch weight fight? Riiiiiiight.The article was written by Lem Satterfield, Michael Marley's equivalent but on the other side.
This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's
Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.
Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up
Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title
Do I need to say more??
Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.
Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before
The same guy that reported Clottey was at a catchweight. BTW the article did state there is a possiblity but more than likely it will not be at catchweight. Looks like the joke is on you.
Almost as good as your other post that guys like Leonard, DLH, Chavez that asked for catchweights did it not to gain an advantage but as a median.
It's either you are for or against it, not pick 1 guy is allowed to do it while another guy can't.
Obviously I am against catch weight fights. And it's not "it's either you're against them or not" they serve there purposes every once in great awhile.
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Re: Which draw was the biggest robbery?
Bilbo, no draining accusations from me and I never said Pacquiao asked directly.
There is no direct quote from Manny, so obviously he did not say it.
It is an idea being thrown around his team I imagine.
And I said, a page or two ago, that I was going with how many times Manny AND his goons have asked for catch weights. Goons being his management.
Thought I'd clear somethings up.
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Ah I didn't see this response before I posted mine. Ok I accept that you didn't claim that then.
Manny has only ever asked for two catchweight fights though. Talk of others is merely media speculation.
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Your claim above, which I quoted was that all other catchweight fights in history were fair because they represented a fair compromise to find the best weight.The joke is on me because there is a possibility for another catch weight fight? Riiiiiiight.The article was written by Lem Satterfield, Michael Marley's equivalent but on the other side.
This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's
Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.
Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up
Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title
Do I need to say more??
Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.
Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before
The same guy that reported Clottey was at a catchweight. BTW the article did state there is a possiblity but more than likely it will not be at catchweight. Looks like the joke is on you.
Almost as good as your other post that guys like Leonard, DLH, Chavez that asked for catchweights did it not to gain an advantage but as a median.
It's either you are for or against it, not pick 1 guy is allowed to do it while another guy can't.
Obviously I am against catch weight fights. And it's not "it's either you're against them or not" they serve there purposes every once in great awhile.
This is what you wrote
Why do you think in all of those catch weight fights no one lost due to being drained??
IT BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER WHO ASKED FOR THE CATCH WEIGHT DID IT FOR ADVANTAGEOUS REASONS.
They did it as a median, not to have as many advantages over the other fighter, or take hope that fighter won't be at there best.
So clearly, your problem is not that Manny has taken catchweight fights, but that he manipulates the catchweight fights to drain his opponents.
So, my question to you is this. What advantage does Manny gain by allowing Mosley to fight at a catchweight?
He could just fight him at the 147 welterweight limit, the same as Floyd did, the same as Cotto did, and the same as Margarito did.
But he may, and the key word is may, no confirmation has been made, allow Shane to weigh in over the 147 lbs limit so that the 154 lb belt can also be on the line.
How does this drain Shane exactly?
I am interested to hear your response because in your own words, all the catchweights were ok because they didn't drain a fighter. As Manny is letting Shane weigh MORE than he did against his other recent opponents how does he drain him?
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"Those" that I was referring about were the catch weight fights you and Jaz were discussing. "Those" don't include ALL.The joke is on me because there is a possibility for another catch weight fight? Riiiiiiight.The article was written by Lem Satterfield, Michael Marley's equivalent but on the other side.
This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's
Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.
Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up
Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title
Do I need to say more??
Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.
Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before
The same guy that reported Clottey was at a catchweight. BTW the article did state there is a possiblity but more than likely it will not be at catchweight. Looks like the joke is on you.
Almost as good as your other post that guys like Leonard, DLH, Chavez that asked for catchweights did it not to gain an advantage but as a median.
It's either you are for or against it, not pick 1 guy is allowed to do it while another guy can't.
Obviously I am against catch weight fights. And it's not "it's either you're against them or not" they serve there purposes every once in great awhile.
So, my question to you is this. What advantage does Manny gain by allowing Mosley to fight at a catchweight?
How does this drain Shane exactly?
It seems this whole time you guys have been putting words in my mouth.
Maybe you think I am Mil, but I am not.
And Shane's last fight was at 154 limit wasn't it? So Mosley is going from 147-154-147 in one year.
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Re: Which draw was the biggest robbery?
I remember reading that Bilbo loves to play chess. Well it looks like this is check mate.
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Re: Which draw was the biggest robbery?
By assuming things right?
Where exactly did I not get room to breath in this discussion?
It's a simple check, and it looks like a Knight to me
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You have a very long explanation to make if your saying it's a catch-weight at the 147lb limit, which is where Mosley has been fighting. And then if you are saying a higher weight for Mosley between 148-154 is less of an advantage?, then you're just stupid. It's the same weight advantage for Mosley, that Margarito had stepping into the ring with a 10 to 15 lb functional weight advantage. And Margarito actually had a 17 lb weight advantage. The stated purpose of 24-hour weigh-in is to allow fighters to step into the ring safely re-hydrated. With the 24 hour weigh-in, 9 times out of 10, the functional weight advantage is typically going to favor the naturally bigger man. If it is the bigger man's wall "so to say" then it will be the smaller man's advantage due to the affect on stamina but not in Margarito's case and not in Mosley's case.The article was written by Lem Satterfield, Michael Marley's equivalent but on the other side.
This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's
Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.
Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up
Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title
Do I need to say more??
Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.
Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before
The same guy that reported Clottey was at a catchweight. BTW the article did state there is a possiblity but more than likely it will not be at catchweight. Looks like the joke is on you.
Almost as good as your other post that guys like Leonard, DLH, Chavez that asked for catchweights did it not to gain an advantage but as a median.
It's either you are for or against it, not pick 1 guy is allowed to do it while another guy can't.
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