Which draw was the biggest robbery?

[Kev]

LMAO

Why do you think in all of those catch weight fights no one lost due to being drained??

IT BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER WHO ASKED FOR THE CATCH WEIGHT DID IT FOR ADVANTAGEOUS REASONS.

They did it as a median, not to have as many advantages over the other fighter, or take hope that fighter won't be at there best.

This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's

Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.

Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up

[hardcore_crash]

LMAO

Why do you think in all of those catch weight fights no one lost due to being drained??

IT BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER WHO ASKED FOR THE CATCH WEIGHT DID IT FOR ADVANTAGEOUS REASONS.

They did it as a median, not to have as many advantages over the other fighter, or take hope that fighter won't be at there best.

This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's

Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.

Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up

Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title

Do I need to say more??

Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.

Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before

[generalbulldog]

LMAO

Why do you think in all of those catch weight fights no one lost due to being drained??

IT BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER WHO ASKED FOR THE CATCH WEIGHT DID IT FOR ADVANTAGEOUS REASONS.

They did it as a median, not to have as many advantages over the other fighter, or take hope that fighter won't be at there best.

This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's

Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.

Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up

Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title

Do I need to say more??

Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.

Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before

The article was written by Lem Satterfield, Michael Marley's equivalent but on the other side.

The same guy that reported Clottey was at a catchweight. BTW the article did state there is a possiblity but more than likely it will not be at catchweight. Looks like the joke is on you.

Almost as good as your other post that guys like Leonard, DLH, Chavez that asked for catchweights did it not to gain an advantage but as a median.

It's either you are for or against it, not pick 1 guy is allowed to do it while another guy can't.

[hardcore_crash]

LMAO

Why do you think in all of those catch weight fights no one lost due to being drained??

IT BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER WHO ASKED FOR THE CATCH WEIGHT DID IT FOR ADVANTAGEOUS REASONS.

They did it as a median, not to have as many advantages over the other fighter, or take hope that fighter won't be at there best.

This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's

Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.

Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up

Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title

Do I need to say more??

Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.

Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before

The article was written by Lem Satterfield, Michael Marley's equivalent but on the other side.

The same guy that reported Clottey was at a catchweight. BTW the article did state there is a possiblity but more than likely it will not be at catchweight. Looks like the joke is on you.

Almost as good as your other post that guys like Leonard, DLH, Chavez that asked for catchweights did it not to gain an advantage but as a median.

It's either you are for or against it, not pick 1 guy is allowed to do it while another guy can't.

The joke is on me because there is a possibility for another catch weight fight? Riiiiiiight.
Obviously I am against catch weight fights. And it's not "it's either you're against them or not" they serve there purposes every once in great awhile.

[hardcore_crash]

Bilbo, no draining accusations from me and I never said Pacquiao asked directly.
There is no direct quote from Manny, so obviously he did not say it.
It is an idea being thrown around his team I imagine.
And I said, a page or two ago, that I was going with how many times Manny AND his goons have asked for catch weights. Goons being his management.
Thought I'd clear somethings up.

[Kev]

Bilbo, no draining accusations from me and I never said Pacquiao asked directly.
There is no direct quote from Manny, so obviously he did not say it.
It is an idea being thrown around his team I imagine.
And I said, a page or two ago, that I was going with how many times Manny AND his goons have asked for catch weights. Goons being his management.
Thought I'd clear somethings up.

Ah I didn't see this response before I posted mine. Ok I accept that you didn't claim that then.

Manny has only ever asked for two catchweight fights though. Talk of others is merely media speculation.

[hardcore_crash]

Bilbo, no draining accusations from me and I never said Pacquiao asked directly.
There is no direct quote from Manny, so obviously he did not say it.
It is an idea being thrown around his team I imagine.
And I said, a page or two ago, that I was going with how many times Manny AND his goons have asked for catch weights. Goons being his management.
Thought I'd clear somethings up.

Ah I didn't see this response before I posted mine. Ok I accept that you didn't claim that then.

Manny has only ever asked for two catchweight fights though. Talk of others is merely media speculation.

I really don't think Roach is trying to dehydrate Manny's opponents as much a a raisin.
But, there has to be reasons he is fighting DLH 147, Cotto 145, Clottey 147, Mosley 148***

[Kev]

LMAO

Why do you think in all of those catch weight fights no one lost due to being drained??

IT BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER WHO ASKED FOR THE CATCH WEIGHT DID IT FOR ADVANTAGEOUS REASONS.

They did it as a median, not to have as many advantages over the other fighter, or take hope that fighter won't be at there best.

This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's

Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.

Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up

Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title

Do I need to say more??

Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.

Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before

The article was written by Lem Satterfield, Michael Marley's equivalent but on the other side.

The same guy that reported Clottey was at a catchweight. BTW the article did state there is a possiblity but more than likely it will not be at catchweight. Looks like the joke is on you.

Almost as good as your other post that guys like Leonard, DLH, Chavez that asked for catchweights did it not to gain an advantage but as a median.

It's either you are for or against it, not pick 1 guy is allowed to do it while another guy can't.

The joke is on me because there is a possibility for another catch weight fight? Riiiiiiight.
Obviously I am against catch weight fights. And it's not "it's either you're against them or not" they serve there purposes every once in great awhile.

Your claim above, which I quoted was that all other catchweight fights in history were fair because they represented a fair compromise to find the best weight.

This is what you wrote

Why do you think in all of those catch weight fights no one lost due to being drained??

IT BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER WHO ASKED FOR THE CATCH WEIGHT DID IT FOR ADVANTAGEOUS REASONS.

They did it as a median, not to have as many advantages over the other fighter, or take hope that fighter won't be at there best.

So clearly, your problem is not that Manny has taken catchweight fights, but that he manipulates the catchweight fights to drain his opponents.

So, my question to you is this. What advantage does Manny gain by allowing Mosley to fight at a catchweight?

He could just fight him at the 147 welterweight limit, the same as Floyd did, the same as Cotto did, and the same as Margarito did.

But he may, and the key word is may, no confirmation has been made, allow Shane to weigh in over the 147 lbs limit so that the 154 lb belt can also be on the line.

How does this drain Shane exactly?

I am interested to hear your response because in your own words, all the catchweights were ok because they didn't drain a fighter. As Manny is letting Shane weigh MORE than he did against his other recent opponents how does he drain him?

[hardcore_crash]

LMAO

Why do you think in all of those catch weight fights no one lost due to being drained??

IT BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER WHO ASKED FOR THE CATCH WEIGHT DID IT FOR ADVANTAGEOUS REASONS.

They did it as a median, not to have as many advantages over the other fighter, or take hope that fighter won't be at there best.

This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's

Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.

Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up

Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title

Do I need to say more??

Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.

Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before

The article was written by Lem Satterfield, Michael Marley's equivalent but on the other side.

The same guy that reported Clottey was at a catchweight. BTW the article did state there is a possiblity but more than likely it will not be at catchweight. Looks like the joke is on you.

Almost as good as your other post that guys like Leonard, DLH, Chavez that asked for catchweights did it not to gain an advantage but as a median.

It's either you are for or against it, not pick 1 guy is allowed to do it while another guy can't.

The joke is on me because there is a possibility for another catch weight fight? Riiiiiiight.
Obviously I am against catch weight fights. And it's not "it's either you're against them or not" they serve there purposes every once in great awhile.

So, my question to you is this. What advantage does Manny gain by allowing Mosley to fight at a catchweight?

How does this drain Shane exactly?

"Those" that I was referring about were the catch weight fights you and Jaz were discussing. "Those" don't include ALL.
It seems this whole time you guys have been putting words in my mouth.
Maybe you think I am Mil, but I am not.

And Shane's last fight was at 154 limit wasn't it? So Mosley is going from 147-154-147 in one year.

[generalbulldog]

I remember reading that Bilbo loves to play chess. Well it looks like this is check mate.

[hardcore_crash]

I remember reading that Bilbo loves to play chess. Well it looks like this is check mate.

By assuming things right?
Where exactly did I not get room to breath in this discussion?
It's a simple check, and it looks like a Knight to me

[fan johnny]

LMAO

Why do you think in all of those catch weight fights no one lost due to being drained??

IT BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER WHO ASKED FOR THE CATCH WEIGHT DID IT FOR ADVANTAGEOUS REASONS.

They did it as a median, not to have as many advantages over the other fighter, or take hope that fighter won't be at there best.

This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's

Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.

Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up

Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title

Do I need to say more??

Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.

Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before

The article was written by Lem Satterfield, Michael Marley's equivalent but on the other side.

The same guy that reported Clottey was at a catchweight. BTW the article did state there is a possiblity but more than likely it will not be at catchweight. Looks like the joke is on you.

Almost as good as your other post that guys like Leonard, DLH, Chavez that asked for catchweights did it not to gain an advantage but as a median.

It's either you are for or against it, not pick 1 guy is allowed to do it while another guy can't.

You have a very long explanation to make if your saying it's a catch-weight at the 147lb limit, which is where Mosley has been fighting. And then if you are saying a higher weight for Mosley between 148-154 is less of an advantage?, then you're just stupid. It's the same weight advantage for Mosley, that Margarito had stepping into the ring with a 10 to 15 lb functional weight advantage. And Margarito actually had a 17 lb weight advantage. The stated purpose of 24-hour weigh-in is to allow fighters to step into the ring safely re-hydrated. With the 24 hour weigh-in, 9 times out of 10, the functional weight advantage is typically going to favor the naturally bigger man. If it is the bigger man's wall "so to say" then it will be the smaller man's advantage due to the affect on stamina but not in Margarito's case and not in Mosley's case.

[Kev]

LMAO

Why do you think in all of those catch weight fights no one lost due to being drained??

IT BECAUSE NEITHER FIGHTER WHO ASKED FOR THE CATCH WEIGHT DID IT FOR ADVANTAGEOUS REASONS.

They did it as a median, not to have as many advantages over the other fighter, or take hope that fighter won't be at there best.

This must surely go down as one of the greatest comments ever made on Saddo's imo. So all the other catchweights in history were amicable, fair, favouring neither man, apart from Manny's

Cotto who had to give up a single pound in weight.
Margarito who was actually allowed to move up a weight class and weigh 4 lbs MORE than he did against Margarito.

Brilliant. You couldn't make this kind of hate up

Pacquiao-Mosley Possible at 148, For WBC 154 title

Do I need to say more??

Maybe you don't understand what I am trying to tell you, or you choose not to; but Pacquiao has asked for catch weights for about two years now for just about everyone.
2 of last 3 fights have been catch weights. Or two fights in the last year have been catch weight. If I didn't have to CONSTANTLY see new weights for which Pac wants to fight different opponents maybe it would be different. But he has a different weight for a different fighter.

Manny has even asked Mosley to come down to LWW before

Please show me in that article anywhere where it says that Manny has asked for a catchweight. It's speculation on the part of the author nothing more.

Look let's examine the line carefully step by step so your slow mind can grasp..He write's

'There is a possiblity, although most don't expect it, for Mosley to face Pacquaio at a catchweight of 148lbs, with the WBC's 154lb title at stake.'

In other words, there is no confirmation of this. You are arguing and criticising Manny over the speculations of a journalist.

Interestingly the fairest fight would be for them to fight at the 147lb welterweight limit.

A catchweight, if it occurs, and most likely at 150, would be to Shane's benefit as the naturally bigger man rather than Manny, who would be better to face him at 147, the same weight that Shane weighed in against for Floyd Mayweather.

If a catchweight is decided upon (and again nothing has been agreed), it will be to allow Shane the fight for the junior middleweight belt, and to be able to put on a few lbs compared to the weight he fought against Floyd Mayweather, Antonio Margarito and Miguel Cotto.

It's interesting that Manny suffers accusations of weight draining his opponents, whereas in actuality in the case of Margarito, and Shane if a catchweight is agreed, he will have let them weigh more than they did against virtually anyone else....