J.M. Marquez vs Mosely at 147

[Julius Rain]

Mosley beats Marquez, but Marquez gives Pacquiao a tougher fight than Mosley .

I think so too, boxing is really strange that way.

I just don't get this at all. How people can think Mosley is not finished enought to beat J M Marquez, but is too shot to beat Manny is such a weird contradiction.

I think BOTH fighters are a legitimate test for Manny.

Manny is far more to Mosley's liking than Floyd and Mora. I think Mosley would always have had trouble with Sergio Mora, and I don't think any version of Mosley beat Floyd either.

Pacquaio Mosley will be a very entertaining fight.

Marquez may yet get another shot if he keeps winning. But to me Marquez is scraping past guys like Diaz, Katsidis and Casamayor in wars, guys that Mosley would just destroy.

I think Marquez looks a much easier propositon for Pacquaio now at 147 than Mosley does.

And Manny sure as hell isn't going to move down another weight class to help Marquez out, and why should he? Mosley at 147 is a better fight than Marquez at 147 imo.

Do people disagree with this? Mosley is 'comfortable' at welterweight (I dont think he struggles to get there, but he does dry himself up alot). Marquez isn't. JMM is a boxer getting old and obviously can't/doesn't want to cut weight anymore, so he's fighting in higher divisions while chasing Pac.

See I think the problem is people compare "Well Mosley is a better fight at 147 for Pacquiao than Marquez"

But the real thing is, Pacquiao would ONLY fight Marquez if it was at 147, even though he can easily make 140 and probably make 138 too since he barely makes 147 and usually many pounds under it on fight day. So basically Pacquiao isn't going to fight Marquez unless he has an advantage of some type.

If the question was "Marquez at 138" or "Mosley at 147" who gives Pacquiao a tougher fight, then Marquez would be the obvious answer and fight choice. But Manny doesn't want any part of Marquez south of 147. thus why people are comparing Marquez at 147 and say if Pacquiao MUST fight at 147, then Mosley will give him a better challenge then Marquez would by moving up and putting himself at such a disadvantage for the fight.

I think that's the initial point people want to get to, but initially lose it so they say "Mosley would beat Marquez at 147 so he is better for Manny at 147" ignoring the whole styles make fights thing, when what all this really comes down to, is the weight. Manny doesn't want Marquez at any class south of 147. So if it comes down to that, then yes Mosley is the better fight because Mosley won't be entering the fight at a disadvantage or outside of his weight class.

But in terms of WHO would give Pacquiao a tougher fight, Marquez would always give him a tougher fight than Mosley would, but Pacquiao has to get the gull to want to fight him at 138 for that to happen, and he doesn't. So Mosley is what people shall get.

You guys are giving JMM way too much credit for beating the guys he had recently.

Are there any fighter that JMM recently fought that Pac wouldn't smash? Now think what chance would JMM have against the guys pac recently fought? Dont say well weight is going to determine results. No just think if JMM would also do what Pac has done. Do you think JMM will still be in the mix, if JMM even tried to do what Pac did and win at 140,145,147,150? Now think, if pac would fight the same guys JMM had fought recently, what chance do you think those guys will have against pac? None.

I think JMM is only in the mix now because he continues to win over guys Pac would assault to death. I would really like to see JMM try and come up to 140 and get a win there over anybody let alone against the best p4p fighter today.

Also why would you expect pac to come down for JMM at 138? What chance did you think that happening with floyd then?

Honestly the weight shouldn't matter with this fight - JMM vs Pac III. People just know for a fact that pac would demolish JMM anywhere above 140. So they dont even want to see that, they preferto see it below 141. Where they believe JMM has a chance.

[:::PSL:::]

Why 138 Majesty? Why not just make it 135 for 5th lineal belt?

I don't like Pac-Mosely matchup either. But it is what it is now. And the funny thing is, no matter how people will bitch about it... it will still earn a million ppv buys. Lol





Anyways. Arum is a scum of the earth. But I kinda agree with him on this one... Arum: Berto-Marquez Should Happen For Pacquiao Shot

[:::PSL:::]

Why 138 Majesty? Why not just make it 135 for 5th lineal belt?

I don't like Pac-Mosely matchup either. But it is what it is now. And the funny thing is, no matter how people will bitch about it... it will still earn a million ppv buys. Lol





Anyways. Arum is a scum of the earth. But I kinda agree with him on this one... Arum: Berto-Marquez Should Happen For Pacquiao Shot

Arum: Berto Needs More Exposure To Get a Pacquiao Shot

I like his idea. He's a genius bastard.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Why 138 Majesty? Why not just make it 135 for 5th lineal belt?

I don't like Pac-Mosely matchup either. But it is what it is now. And the funny thing is, no matter how people will bitch about it... it will still earn a million ppv buys. Lol





Anyways. Arum is a scum of the earth. But I kinda agree with him on this one... Arum: Berto-Marquez Should Happen For Pacquiao Shot

Arum: Berto Needs More Exposure To Get a Pacquiao Shot

I like his idea. He's a genius bastard.

I said this in another thread, have Marquez and Berto fight each other and Manny would not have an excuse not to fight the winner of that bout. If JMM wins, then he would have already been tested at the higher weight. If Berto wins, then he would have beaten a notable opponent and would gain some name recognition. So why aren't the other posters who wants a Pac-JMM fight not clamoring for that fight?

[Ant Live]

Why 138 Majesty? Why not just make it 135 for 5th lineal belt?

I don't like Pac-Mosely matchup either. But it is what it is now. And the funny thing is, no matter how people will bitch about it... it will still earn a million ppv buys. Lol





Anyways. Arum is a scum of the earth. But I kinda agree with him on this one... Arum: Berto-Marquez Should Happen For Pacquiao Shot

Arum: Berto Needs More Exposure To Get a Pacquiao Shot

I like his idea. He's a genius bastard.

Jumping the 140 division is not the way to go for JMM. Fighting Khan(Pacman stablemate) would be the better way to go. As far as Berto, he can fight the winner of Bradley vs Alexander at 147 or Cotto. A victory against either will raise Pacman's attention.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Why 138 Majesty? Why not just make it 135 for 5th lineal belt?

I don't like Pac-Mosely matchup either. But it is what it is now. And the funny thing is, no matter how people will bitch about it... it will still earn a million ppv buys. Lol





Anyways. Arum is a scum of the earth. But I kinda agree with him on this one... Arum: Berto-Marquez Should Happen For Pacquiao Shot

Arum: Berto Needs More Exposure To Get a Pacquiao Shot

I like his idea. He's a genius bastard.

Jumping the 140 division is not the way to go for JMM. Fighting Khan(Pacman stablemate) would be the better way to go. As far as Berto, he can fight the winner of Bradley vs Alexander at 147 or Cotto. A victory against either will raise Pacman's attention.

JMM fighting and winning against Berto will eliminate the other contender and put him at the forefront of the list of those who would want to fight Manny. If Manny would still not fight JMM after that (provided that Floyd is still unable to fight him), then it can definitely be said that Pacquiao is ducking him.

If JMM was more than willing to fight Mayweather at the higher weight, why not someone who has less skill and experience as Berto?

[Gandalf]

This is ridiculous. Why on earth should the LW champion of the world need to go up to WW and fight someone as big as Berto? At least when Pac first stepped up he drained Oscar down to the level of a corpse. And of course, here are the Pac fans saying that the hated nemesis Marquez must go up to WW and fight a young undefeated champ in Berto to get his shot at Manny! It is laughable, it truly is.

There should never be a fight with Pac at 147 and Marquez should stick to his guns on that. Furthermore, it looks to me like a fight with Mosley will mean that a Marquez fight can not realistically materialise until at least a year from now. By then he will be 38 and to make him move up to WW too? Fuck that! Marquez should not agree to fight Manny unless it is at 140. One guy comes down and the other moves up....just what Manny did to Oscar, but Manny has no issues losing those pounds whatoever which levels the playing field and we get a fight which is skills against skills rather that "I am used to being heavier and stronger and now I will crush you".

Otherwise Marquez should forget about it. He has beaten Manny twice and we all know it. Just as long as Manny is satisfied with the one paper W over Marquez he has on his resume, right?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Why on earth should the LW champion of the world need to go up to WW and fight someone as big as Berto?

JMM fought a WW in Mayweather who happens to be the 2nd P4P (1st to some) in the planet. If he thought that he had a chance with Floyd then, why not Berto who is less skilled and has less experience? Oh yeah, because there is no money. And I would not blame JMM for this. That is just a suggestion if he wants to be on the forefront of the line to fight Pacquiao but he doesn't have to. He can at least fight those notable fighters at 140 to get a better chance (Khan, winner of Alexander vs Bradley).

At least when Pac first stepped up he drained Oscar down to the level of a corpse.

Here we go again. No matter how many times it was posted in this forum that that was Oscar's term, you still forget (intentionally, I'm sure). And I haven't seen a corpse that fights back. Watch the first few rounds of that fight again.

And of course, here are the Pac fans saying that the hated nemesis Marquez must go up to WW and fight a young undefeated champ in Berto to get his shot at Manny! It is laughable, it truly is.

Who said that he must go up? Mine is just a suggestion. If you read my other post in this thread, I also suggested that he goes up to 140 which, I believe, is what you also suggested. What would be laughable is if JMM's next fight is again in the 135 lb division and then would want to challenge Pac after the Pacquiao-Mosley fight.

There should never be a fight with Pac at 147 and Marquez should stick to his guns on that.

Pacquiao is on top of the boxing world right now and can dictate the terms. If JMM wants to fight him, then he should go up to Manny's weight division. If not, then he nor his promoter should not even give a hint that he'd want to fight Pacquiao.

Furthermore, it looks to me like a fight with Mosley will mean that a Marquez fight can not realistically materialise until at least a year from now.

Manny fights at least twice a year so if JMM puts himself in the best position, he will likely be the next opponent. The key here, as one poster had said, is patience.

Marquez should not agree to fight Manny unless it is at 140. One guy comes down and the other moves up....just what Manny did to Oscar

Here we go with this Oscar thing again.

but Manny has no issues losing those pounds whatoever which levels the playing field and we get a fight which is skills against skills rather that "I am used to being heavier and stronger and now I will crush you".

And what makes you think that Manny has no issues losing those pounds? Manny hasn't weighted less than 140 lbs since the Hatton fight on May 2009. Marquez can weight whatever he wants 24 hrs before the fight but on fight night, their weight would be close since Manny's fight weight against Margarito is just 148.

Otherwise Marquez should forget about it.

I agree with you here. If Marquez can not go up to Manny's weight division, then he should forget about it.

He has beaten Manny twice and we all know it. Just as long as Manny is satisfied with the one paper W over Marquez he has on his resume, right?

Who is this 'all' that you are talking about? The people who watched the fight are in the hundred thousand. Knowing what the few thinks is not even representative of what the hundred thousand thinks. If Marquez is satisfied with Manny's 'paper W' (according to you) over him, then he does not need to go after Manny.

I am also disappointed with Manny's choice of Mosley as the next opponent but I would not lose any sleep over it since I am not the one would will be absorbing the punches in that fight. I do not think that Shane is Manny's best opponent out there but other posters here think that he is. If I am in Manny's shoes and knows that I will be criticized whoever I fight that is not named Mayweather, then might as well get criticized while getting an excellent payday.

[Taeth]

This is ridiculous. Why on earth should the LW champion of the world need to go up to WW and fight someone as big as Berto? At least when Pac first stepped up he drained Oscar down to the level of a corpse. And of course, here are the Pac fans saying that the hated nemesis Marquez must go up to WW and fight a young undefeated champ in Berto to get his shot at Manny! It is laughable, it truly is.

There should never be a fight with Pac at 147 and Marquez should stick to his guns on that. Furthermore, it looks to me like a fight with Mosley will mean that a Marquez fight can not realistically materialise until at least a year from now. By then he will be 38 and to make him move up to WW too? Fuck that! Marquez should not agree to fight Manny unless it is at 140. One guy comes down and the other moves up....just what Manny did to Oscar, but Manny has no issues losing those pounds whatoever which levels the playing field and we get a fight which is skills against skills rather that "I am used to being heavier and stronger and now I will crush you".

Otherwise Marquez should forget about it. He has beaten Manny twice and we all know it. Just as long as Manny is satisfied with the one paper W over Marquez he has on his resume, right?

Oscar wanted to move down to WW, and he actually tried to come in light against Pacquiao because he underestimated Pacquiao's punching power and boxing skills. Everyone was telling Oscar he could easily outbox Pacquiao, and he came down way too early, and couldn't even rehydrate any weight back on. Oscar shot himself in the foot there.

Why would Pacquiao move down when he was the way bigger draw unless he wants to fight at 140? It makes no sense, and Marquez has no barganing chip to work with. Manny holds all the cards in negotiations, and Marquez would have to come up to 147 to face him. Like mayweather did with Oscar De La Hoya. If you want to fight the guy who will make you the most money you have to play by his rules.