Pacquiao Should KO Mosley to Prove he is better than Mayweather

[armyash]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

Your kidding with that comment I hope?

First off Floyd could have used 8oz gloves if he chose to he did not that is his problem. In truth the difference between 8 and 10oz gloves do not hold as much of a difference as you think. Even if you put that aside Floyd was not landing the volume of punches that Manny was and Floyd did not set the pace Manny set when each faced Hatton...

Floyd is a counter puncher Manny is an aggressive fighter, Floyd waits for his man to come to him Manny attacks and does not stop, there is no time to breathe with Manny....In Clotteys own words ( yes Clottey is not known for his output we know this nor is he an overly fast fighter with his hands but he is world class and no walk over for anyone) he could not open up long enough to get off because anytime he did Manny tagged him too many times keeping him on defense, he also said even when he landed and knew the punches had meaning as some moved Manny backwards Manny did not retreat he came forward twice as hard throwing punches....You can't defend what you can not see....

Your post up there while a decent attempt to make a point has way too many holes in it, you are coming across more as a fan of Floyds then a fan of boxing....

Manny does not need to stop Mosley to prove he is better and he does not need to prove anything to Mayweather....Like it or not Manny is the man right now and the only way for Floyd to take it away from him is to fight him and beat him if he wont even step in the ring what does that say about Floyd? Because the other guys out there are not going on about the PED shit....Floyd sunk to new levels with the whole Manny thing, mud slinging did not work out he did not bait Manny and Manny will not get rattled...Shit Floyd even went on to make fun of Manny's ethnic heritage....No one told Floyd to retire, fight the most vunerable names with credibility or to take a so called retirement.....He chose to he thought boxing was going to stop because he was not around, he thought who ever attempted to make a run at P4P #1 in his absence was just going to be dismissed when he returned...No one told him to fight an undersized Marquez and not even come in on weight...No one told him to decline to be a defending WW champion and fight DLH at 154 and win only because DLH gassed and stopped jabbing in the 10th.

Most of all Floyd had zero right just as any fighter has zero right to demand a fighter take a certain test that is not required, so because Manny refused he must be on PEDS? Since when is Floyd or any Mayweathers other then Jeffs word good for anything?...

Floyd is not the only fighter that can play head games and Freddie Roach with team Pacquiao played Floyds game better then Floyd...Boo Hoo sorry Floyd ....Floyd wants the fight so bad he would give a nut for it but now if he made the fight without the testing he would be a public fool!!!! and he knows it...

Floyd cares more about his 0 then his own family....If Floyd is that confident then Floyd can beat Manny on PEDS or not...Hell I think I heard around the game that Maqnny would agree to the test not only the 2 weeks before the fight as a way to come into a compromise but again right after the bout...

If Floyd lost and Manny tested positive the decision would be reversed and he would keep his 0....If he won and Manny tested positive it would boost his accomplishment all the much more....It is a win win for him....Manny doesn't need Floyd Floyd needs Manny....

good post.

right now the way things are looking i agree floyd needs manny but long term the way they will be viewed 30 yrs from now they will both be criticised for not fighting each other. they will both be recognised as greats but they will damage their legacies if they dont put all the BS to 1 side and get it on.

also agree on your comments to toto, too many holes in that argument.

[Spicoli]

Thats hugger logic Maybe Floyd just softened up Oscar, Hatton, and Mosley so he looks spectacular

Knockouts are overrated at times and fact is though Manny gets props and respect because, well, he's the one actually fighting he'll be meeting Mosley after Mayweather shut him out. I think as long as Pac beats him up nicely...and doesn't get shaken to his heels in round 2...he should get equal acclaim. Its how he fights him and wins, yet to be seen. Think Manny will put himself inside of Mosleys still viable wheel house and can't resist a shoot out...thats why It wouldn't shock me to see Manny on his ass for a moment before its all said and done.

[DaxxKahn]

Thats hugger logic Maybe Floyd just softened up Oscar, Hatton, and Mosley so he looks spectacular

Knockouts are overrated at times and fact is though Manny gets props and respect because, well, he's the one actually fighting he'll be meeting Mosley after Mayweather shut him out. I think as long as Pac beats him up nicely...and doesn't get shaken to his heels in round 2...he should get equal acclaim. Its how he fights him and wins, yet to be seen. Think Manny will put himself inside of Mosleys still viable wheel house and can't resist a shoot out...thats why It wouldn't shock me to see Manny on his ass for a moment before its all said and done.

I agree Manny could see the Canvas if Shane catches him....We all know that Manny can not resist getting into it and if he gets hit hard he almost like there is no impulse control has to come back instaed of trying to recoupe......I think it might be a better fight then many think it will

[toto]

Thats hugger logic Maybe Floyd just softened up Oscar, Hatton, and Mosley so he looks spectacular

Knockouts are overrated at times and fact is though Manny gets props and respect because, well, he's the one actually fighting he'll be meeting Mosley after Mayweather shut him out. I think as long as Pac beats him up nicely...and doesn't get shaken to his heels in round 2...he should get equal acclaim. Its how he fights him and wins, yet to be seen. Think Manny will put himself inside of Mosleys still viable wheel house and can't resist a shoot out...thats why It wouldn't shock me to see Manny on his ass for a moment before its all said and done.

I agree Manny could see the Canvas if Shane catches him....We all know that Manny can not resist getting into it and if he gets hit hard he almost like there is no impulse control has to come back instaed of trying to recoupe......I think it might be a better fight then many think it will

To DaxxKhann,
Gloves have big factor to k.o an opponent. You forgot the first Pacquiao-Morales fight. Pacquaio and Roach bellyached that Manny was obliged to use Winning Gloves than KO puncher gloves Cleto Reyes. Manny said he could not KO Morales because of that pillow glove Winning.
So what were you talkin' that gloves do not matter?
Floyd was right, if he wore 8 ounce against Hatton, he could KO Hatton earlier. (or he could damaged his brittle hands, earlier, too) But despite of it, he was able toTKO the English boy later.
Man, 8 ounce and 10 ounce have a lot of difference to damage an opponent.
Again, to reiterate my thesis: AS LONG AS FLOYD AND MANNY WOULD NOT DUKE OUT, WE COULD NOT AVOID PEOPLE TO OPINE THAT A SLUGGISH PERFORMANCE BY MANNY AGAINST SHANE WOULD GENERATE A HELL OF OPINIONS TO PEOPLE who would SPECULATE THAT FLOYD IS MUCH BETTER THAN MANNy.

[DaxxKahn]

Thats hugger logic Maybe Floyd just softened up Oscar, Hatton, and Mosley so he looks spectacular

Knockouts are overrated at times and fact is though Manny gets props and respect because, well, he's the one actually fighting he'll be meeting Mosley after Mayweather shut him out. I think as long as Pac beats him up nicely...and doesn't get shaken to his heels in round 2...he should get equal acclaim. Its how he fights him and wins, yet to be seen. Think Manny will put himself inside of Mosleys still viable wheel house and can't resist a shoot out...thats why It wouldn't shock me to see Manny on his ass for a moment before its all said and done.

I agree Manny could see the Canvas if Shane catches him....We all know that Manny can not resist getting into it and if he gets hit hard he almost like there is no impulse control has to come back instaed of trying to recoupe......I think it might be a better fight then many think it will

To DaxxKhann,
Gloves have big factor to k.o an opponent. You forgot the first Pacquiao-Morales fight. Pacquaio and Roach bellyached that Manny was obliged to use Winning Gloves than KO puncher gloves Cleto Reyes. Manny said he could not KO Morales because of that pillow glove Winning.
So what were you talkin' that gloves do not matter?
Floyd was right, if he wore 8 ounce against Hatton, he could KO Hatton earlier. (or he could damaged his brittle hands, earlier, too) But despite of it, he was able toTKO the English boy later.
Man, 8 ounce and 10 ounce have a lot of difference to damage an opponent.
Again, to reiterate my thesis: AS LONG AS FLOYD AND MANNY WOULD NOT DUKE OUT, WE COULD NOT AVOID PEOPLE TO OPINE THAT A SLUGGISH PERFORMANCE BY MANNY AGAINST SHANE WOULD GENERATE A HELL OF OPINIONS TO PEOPLE who would SPECULATE THAT FLOYD IS MUCH BETTER THAN MANNy.

UMMMMM no the 2 oz are not that much of a difference but OK if you say so...Are you sure you watched the Hatton fight? Maybe you should again because Floyd while he stunned Hatton Ricky was hurt more by the turnbuckle then anything....

Now I understand you have been involved in the music business and all for quite sometime and your song Africa sold quite a bit of singles but this is boxing not 70's and 80's pop......What really determines the factor for punchers is the type of gloves...There are reasons why power punchers like Reyes and boxers or those with bad hands prefer Grant, Everlast etc....Get hit with a 10 oz Reyes glove and get hit with a 10oz Grant glove you will know the difference same for 8oz or any weight for that matter..,.Get hit with a 8oz Grant or Everlast and a 10oz Reyes and you will know the difference and that will be the fact the Reyes huts a whole lot more

As for you and your capital letters I can see you are annoyed because I did not tell you what great points you brought up, it would not matter if Manny stopped Shane in 1 rd or if Manny goes the distance with Shane and Floyd had stopped Shane in 1 round during their fight at this point no ones opinions are really going to change the Manny supporters will stay with Manny and the Floyd Supporters will stay with Floyd.....As for Mosley it doesnt matter if Manny gets the KO or not...Shane has never been stopped in his career and he has only been down twice and even that might be wrong because I think Forrest is the only one to ever put him down (Not positive on it gotta think about it just going from what I can remember off the top of my head)...So even at his age it is not a factor if he is not stopped because Shane is not expected to be stopped by anyone....Why should Manny have to stop Shane to prove anything?.........

The only way to settle PBF/Pacquiao is for them to fight common opponents at this level mean nothing....And even if Manny has a lack performance against Shane it still proves little becauser I can name quite a few laxed performances by Floyd

[Taeth]

Thats hugger logic Maybe Floyd just softened up Oscar, Hatton, and Mosley so he looks spectacular

Knockouts are overrated at times and fact is though Manny gets props and respect because, well, he's the one actually fighting he'll be meeting Mosley after Mayweather shut him out. I think as long as Pac beats him up nicely...and doesn't get shaken to his heels in round 2...he should get equal acclaim. Its how he fights him and wins, yet to be seen. Think Manny will put himself inside of Mosleys still viable wheel house and can't resist a shoot out...thats why It wouldn't shock me to see Manny on his ass for a moment before its all said and done.

I agree Manny could see the Canvas if Shane catches him....We all know that Manny can not resist getting into it and if he gets hit hard he almost like there is no impulse control has to come back instaed of trying to recoupe......I think it might be a better fight then many think it will

To DaxxKhann,
Gloves have big factor to k.o an opponent. You forgot the first Pacquiao-Morales fight. Pacquaio and Roach bellyached that Manny was obliged to use Winning Gloves than KO puncher gloves Cleto Reyes. Manny said he could not KO Morales because of that pillow glove Winning.
So what were you talkin' that gloves do not matter?
Floyd was right, if he wore 8 ounce against Hatton, he could KO Hatton earlier. (or he could damaged his brittle hands, earlier, too) But despite of it, he was able toTKO the English boy later.
Man, 8 ounce and 10 ounce have a lot of difference to damage an opponent.
Again, to reiterate my thesis: AS LONG AS FLOYD AND MANNY WOULD NOT DUKE OUT, WE COULD NOT AVOID PEOPLE TO OPINE THAT A SLUGGISH PERFORMANCE BY MANNY AGAINST SHANE WOULD GENERATE A HELL OF OPINIONS TO PEOPLE who would SPECULATE THAT FLOYD IS MUCH BETTER THAN MANNy.

UMMMMM no the 2 oz are not that much of a difference but OK if you say so...Are you sure you watched the Hatton fight? Maybe you should again because Floyd while he stunned Hatton Ricky was hurt more by the turnbuckle then anything....

Now I understand you have been involved in the music business and all for quite sometime and your song Africa sold quite a bit of singles but this is boxing not 70's and 80's pop......What really determines the factor for punchers is the type of gloves...There are reasons why power punchers like Reyes and boxers or those with bad hands prefer Grant, Everlast etc....Get hit with a 10 oz Reyes glove and get hit with a 10oz Grant glove you will know the difference same for 8oz or any weight for that matter..,.Get hit with a 8oz Grant or Everlast and a 10oz Reyes and you will know the difference and that will be the fact the Reyes huts a whole lot more

As for you and your capital letters I can see you are annoyed because I did not tell you what great points you brought up, it would not matter if Manny stopped Shane in 1 rd or if Manny goes the distance with Shane and Floyd had stopped Shane in 1 round during their fight at this point no ones opinions are really going to change the Manny supporters will stay with Manny and the Floyd Supporters will stay with Floyd.....As for Mosley it doesnt matter if Manny gets the KO or not...Shane has never been stopped in his career and he has only been down twice and even that might be wrong because I think Forrest is the only one to ever put him down (Not positive on it gotta think about it just going from what I can remember off the top of my head)...So even at his age it is not a factor if he is not stopped because Shane is not expected to be stopped by anyone....Why should Manny have to stop Shane to prove anything?.........

The only way to settle PBF/Pacquiao is for them to fight common opponents at this level mean nothing....And even if Manny has a lack performance against Shane it still proves little becauser I can name quite a few laxed performances by Floyd

I stopped reading after this... sorry you think running into the turnbuckle was what hurt Hatton there? THe previous two rounds he was getting pounded on and picked apart.

[DaxxKahn]

Thats hugger logic Maybe Floyd just softened up Oscar, Hatton, and Mosley so he looks spectacular

Knockouts are overrated at times and fact is though Manny gets props and respect because, well, he's the one actually fighting he'll be meeting Mosley after Mayweather shut him out. I think as long as Pac beats him up nicely...and doesn't get shaken to his heels in round 2...he should get equal acclaim. Its how he fights him and wins, yet to be seen. Think Manny will put himself inside of Mosleys still viable wheel house and can't resist a shoot out...thats why It wouldn't shock me to see Manny on his ass for a moment before its all said and done.

I agree Manny could see the Canvas if Shane catches him....We all know that Manny can not resist getting into it and if he gets hit hard he almost like there is no impulse control has to come back instaed of trying to recoupe......I think it might be a better fight then many think it will

To DaxxKhann,
Gloves have big factor to k.o an opponent. You forgot the first Pacquiao-Morales fight. Pacquaio and Roach bellyached that Manny was obliged to use Winning Gloves than KO puncher gloves Cleto Reyes. Manny said he could not KO Morales because of that pillow glove Winning.
So what were you talkin' that gloves do not matter?
Floyd was right, if he wore 8 ounce against Hatton, he could KO Hatton earlier. (or he could damaged his brittle hands, earlier, too) But despite of it, he was able toTKO the English boy later.
Man, 8 ounce and 10 ounce have a lot of difference to damage an opponent.
Again, to reiterate my thesis: AS LONG AS FLOYD AND MANNY WOULD NOT DUKE OUT, WE COULD NOT AVOID PEOPLE TO OPINE THAT A SLUGGISH PERFORMANCE BY MANNY AGAINST SHANE WOULD GENERATE A HELL OF OPINIONS TO PEOPLE who would SPECULATE THAT FLOYD IS MUCH BETTER THAN MANNy.

UMMMMM no the 2 oz are not that much of a difference but OK if you say so...Are you sure you watched the Hatton fight? Maybe you should again because Floyd while he stunned Hatton Ricky was hurt more by the turnbuckle then anything....

Now I understand you have been involved in the music business and all for quite sometime and your song Africa sold quite a bit of singles but this is boxing not 70's and 80's pop......What really determines the factor for punchers is the type of gloves...There are reasons why power punchers like Reyes and boxers or those with bad hands prefer Grant, Everlast etc....Get hit with a 10 oz Reyes glove and get hit with a 10oz Grant glove you will know the difference same for 8oz or any weight for that matter..,.Get hit with a 8oz Grant or Everlast and a 10oz Reyes and you will know the difference and that will be the fact the Reyes huts a whole lot more

As for you and your capital letters I can see you are annoyed because I did not tell you what great points you brought up, it would not matter if Manny stopped Shane in 1 rd or if Manny goes the distance with Shane and Floyd had stopped Shane in 1 round during their fight at this point no ones opinions are really going to change the Manny supporters will stay with Manny and the Floyd Supporters will stay with Floyd.....As for Mosley it doesnt matter if Manny gets the KO or not...Shane has never been stopped in his career and he has only been down twice and even that might be wrong because I think Forrest is the only one to ever put him down (Not positive on it gotta think about it just going from what I can remember off the top of my head)...So even at his age it is not a factor if he is not stopped because Shane is not expected to be stopped by anyone....Why should Manny have to stop Shane to prove anything?.........

The only way to settle PBF/Pacquiao is for them to fight common opponents at this level mean nothing....And even if Manny has a lack performance against Shane it still proves little becauser I can name quite a few laxed performances by Floyd

I stopped reading after this... sorry you think running into the turnbuckle was what hurt Hatton there? THe previous two rounds he was getting pounded on and picked apart.

That part was obvious of course the whole point was how glove size and brand effects a punch....The guy said Floyd only stopped Hatton in the fight so late because his gloves were too big or else he would have done it earlier....The stoppage was going to come regardless just when it happened had more to do with accumulation and the fact Hatton went face first into the turnbucle not because of Punching power or glove size

[DaxxKahn]

@Armyash
You said :"Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF".
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny's 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton - Mortz

Your kidding with that comment I hope?

First off Floyd could have used 8oz gloves if he chose to he did not that is his problem. In truth the difference between 8 and 10oz gloves do not hold as much of a difference as you think. Even if you put that aside Floyd was not landing the volume of punches that Manny was and Floyd did not set the pace Manny set when each faced Hatton...

Floyd is a counter puncher Manny is an aggressive fighter, Floyd waits for his man to come to him Manny attacks and does not stop, there is no time to breathe with Manny....In Clotteys own words ( yes Clottey is not known for his output we know this nor is he an overly fast fighter with his hands but he is world class and no walk over for anyone) he could not open up long enough to get off because anytime he did Manny tagged him too many times keeping him on defense, he also said even when he landed and knew the punches had meaning as some moved Manny backwards Manny did not retreat he came forward twice as hard throwing punches....You can't defend what you can not see....

Your post up there while a decent attempt to make a point has way too many holes in it, you are coming across more as a fan of Floyds then a fan of boxing....

Manny does not need to stop Mosley to prove he is better and he does not need to prove anything to Mayweather....Like it or not Manny is the man right now and the only way for Floyd to take it away from him is to fight him and beat him if he wont even step in the ring what does that say about Floyd? Because the other guys out there are not going on about the PED shit....Floyd sunk to new levels with the whole Manny thing, mud slinging did not work out he did not bait Manny and Manny will not get rattled...Shit Floyd even went on to make fun of Manny's ethnic heritage....No one told Floyd to retire, fight the most vunerable names with credibility or to take a so called retirement.....He chose to he thought boxing was going to stop because he was not around, he thought who ever attempted to make a run at P4P #1 in his absence was just going to be dismissed when he returned...No one told him to fight an undersized Marquez and not even come in on weight...No one told him to decline to be a defending WW champion and fight DLH at 154 and win only because DLH gassed and stopped jabbing in the 10th.

Most of all Floyd had zero right just as any fighter has zero right to demand a fighter take a certain test that is not required, so because Manny refused he must be on PEDS? Since when is Floyd or any Mayweathers other then Jeffs word good for anything?...

Floyd is not the only fighter that can play head games and Freddie Roach with team Pacquiao played Floyds game better then Floyd...Boo Hoo sorry Floyd ....Floyd wants the fight so bad he would give a nut for it but now if he made the fight without the testing he would be a public fool!!!! and he knows it...

Floyd cares more about his 0 then his own family....If Floyd is that confident then Floyd can beat Manny on PEDS or not...Hell I think I heard around the game that Maqnny would agree to the test not only the 2 weeks before the fight as a way to come into a compromise but again right after the bout...

If Floyd lost and Manny tested positive the decision would be reversed and he would keep his 0....If he won and Manny tested positive it would boost his accomplishment all the much more....It is a win win for him....Manny doesn't need Floyd Floyd needs Manny....

good post.

right now the way things are looking i agree floyd needs manny but long term the way they will be viewed 30 yrs from now they will both be criticised for not fighting each other. they will both be recognised as greats but they will damage their legacies if they dont put all the BS to 1 side and get it on.

also agree on your comments to toto, too many holes in that argument.

I agree down the road they will both be linked to one another due to this...Make no mistakes about it either man could have done more to make the fight happen so it is not a one sided deal when it comes to fault with these guys....I was going with the current situation....Who knows with thew way Manny has been getting wrapped up with all the outside distractions these last few fights during training camps the tables can turn and it will be Manny who needs Floyd.....Boxing is crazy that way..