Top 5 P4P Now?

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think HBO guys like Roy Jones are putting him at #2 because of skillset. I completely agree, skill wise Nonito is right below Pacquiao but considering every factor such as resume I have to place him third or forth.

When it comes to skills i dont think anybody can deny him that number 2 slot.

are you kidding me? Mayweather's skills are way beyond Donaire's

[CFH]

For what it's worth, my top 5 p4p would probably look something like this:

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Hopkins (I feel dirty just typing that)
5. Ward/Donaire/Bradley/Lopez/Froch

I really feel the guys I have in the #5 spot are pretty interchangeable depending on ones preferences.

[TitoFan]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

[Kev]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

[:::PSL:::]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

Lol! That was really a strange thread he/she made.

Is he a he or a she?

[generalbulldog]

1. Floyd
2. Pac
3. Martinez
4. JMM
5. JML

[TitoFan]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

Then it's the former.


No, seriously... it's both. But Seanie's plan is STILL way more retarded. C'mon... you're still carrying Pretty Boy's torch even though he's done little in the last 3+ years to deserve it? Seriously? I mean... p4p should be based on recent accomplishments and on that basis alone. Are you honestly going to defend PBF's record in the last 3+ years as worthy of p4p? How long are you Floyd fans going to carry his jock... er... torch? C'mon!! The guy's dangling you fans on a string and playing you like yo-yo's. Look at his recent resume again:

Hatton - Enough said about that.
JMM - A true ATG... just not at the weight he fought Floyd. He was in WAY over his head.
Mosley - The guy aged before our very eyes.

What else has he done? Well.... besides dancing with the stars and wrestling Big Show. He's beaten up women and security guards... but those don't count for p4p ratings. What has he done? He ain't done JACK. All he does is run at the mouth, and... frankly... some of us are damn tired of it.

P4P? Not for this boxing fan.

[ElTerribleMorales]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

Then it's the former.


No, seriously... it's both. But Seanie's plan is STILL way more retarded. C'mon... you're still carrying Pretty Boy's torch even though he's done little in the last 3+ years to deserve it? Seriously? I mean... p4p should be based on recent accomplishments and on that basis alone. Are you honestly going to defend PBF's record in the last 3+ years as worthy of p4p? How long are you Floyd fans going to carry his jock... er... torch? C'mon!! The guy's dangling you fans on a string and playing you like yo-yo's. Look at his recent resume again:

Hatton - Enough said about that.
JMM - A true ATG... just not at the weight he fought Floyd. He was in WAY over his head.
Mosley - The guy aged before our very eyes.

What else has he done? Well.... besides dancing with the stars and wrestling Big Show. He's beaten up women and security guards... but those don't count for p4p ratings. What has he done? He ain't done JACK. All he does is run at the mouth, and... frankly... some of us are damn tired of it.

P4P? Not for this boxing fan.

you don't have to like the guy but don't ignore the fact that he's a 5 division champ (and none were at catch weights), he holds wins over Corrales, Castillo, DLH, Gatti, Judah and other good fighters at the lower weights such as Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Genaro Hernandez

like i said in another thread you could say the same thing for Pacquiao that you've already said for Floyd

he's fought guys either past their primes or at weights where it's been to his advantage

DLH (completely shot and weight drained)

Hatton (on the slide and had looked like shit in his fights after Mayweather beat him)

Cotto (the general opinion was he lost a step after the Margarito fight and was at a catchweight)

Clottey (had already lost to Cotto prior to fighting Pacquiao)

Margarito (had only had two fights in nearly 2 years away, and he had gotten KO'd and won a UD against a journeyman and he looked like shit in that fight, giving the sense that without plaster he's crap, oh yea and it was another catchweight)

and now Mosley (if he aged front of your very eyes against Floyd, why the hell is Pacquiao recycling yet another one of Mayweather's opponents? oh and he wanted drug tests)

i mean there really is no difference between the two

Mayweather now taking on Paul Williams would be the equivalent of Pacquiao having taken on Margarito, which after what Martinez did to him well i really wouldn't say it means much

[TitoFan]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

Then it's the former.


No, seriously... it's both. But Seanie's plan is STILL way more retarded. C'mon... you're still carrying Pretty Boy's torch even though he's done little in the last 3+ years to deserve it? Seriously? I mean... p4p should be based on recent accomplishments and on that basis alone. Are you honestly going to defend PBF's record in the last 3+ years as worthy of p4p? How long are you Floyd fans going to carry his jock... er... torch? C'mon!! The guy's dangling you fans on a string and playing you like yo-yo's. Look at his recent resume again:

Hatton - Enough said about that.
JMM - A true ATG... just not at the weight he fought Floyd. He was in WAY over his head.
Mosley - The guy aged before our very eyes.

What else has he done? Well.... besides dancing with the stars and wrestling Big Show. He's beaten up women and security guards... but those don't count for p4p ratings. What has he done? He ain't done JACK. All he does is run at the mouth, and... frankly... some of us are damn tired of it.

P4P? Not for this boxing fan.

you don't have to like the guy but don't ignore the fact that he's a 5 division champ (and none were at catch weights), he holds wins over Corrales, Castillo, DLH, Gatti, Judah and other good fighters at the lower weights such as Jesus Chavez, Carlos Hernandez, Genaro Hernandez

like i said in another thread you could say the same thing for Pacquiao that you've already said for Floyd

he's fought guys either past their primes or at weights where it's been to his advantage

DLH (completely shot and weight drained)

Hatton (on the slide and had looked like shit in his fights after Mayweather beat him)

Cotto (the general opinion was he lost a step after the Margarito fight and was at a catchweight)

Clottey (had already lost to Cotto prior to fighting Pacquiao)

Margarito (had only had two fights in nearly 2 years away, and he had gotten KO'd and won a UD against a journeyman and he looked like shit in that fight, giving the sense that without plaster he's crap, oh yea and it was another catchweight)

and now Mosley (if he aged front of your very eyes against Floyd, why the hell is Pacquiao recycling yet another one of Mayweather's opponents? oh and he wanted drug tests)

i mean there really is no difference between the two

Mayweather now taking on Paul Williams would be the equivalent of Pacquiao having taken on Margarito, which after what Martinez did to him well i really wouldn't say it means much

This is all well and good, El Terrible. But you neglect to mention one very important difference. Whereas Floyd fought his recent opposition at very little risk (face it... Hatton? and JMM was WOEFULLY undersized), Manny may have fought the same guys... BUT... for Manny, it was a huge risk. Sure, it's Monday-morning quarterbacking to say now that De La Hoya was weight-drained and shot. But before the fight... it was a huge risk. Remember... DLH was looking for an undersized scalp to add to his mantle and ride off into the sunset. Thank God it backfired on him (HAHAHAHAHAHA)! Remember that Pacquaio is coming from many divisions south of 147. And taking on Margarito?!? Say what you will... but that was ALSO a huge risk. And to be sure... Pac took some major body shots from Margacheato.

When you look at these fights AFTER the fact, it's easy to compare Manny's opponents with Floyd's. But it's not a fair nor accurate comparison. You have to look at when the fights were made in the first place. Sure... there's probably a lot of people who now claim to have known that Pac was going to walk through the opponents he did ..... but in all reality, the majority of people were betting AGAINST Pac (myself included). Whereas I absolutely KNEW that Mayweather was going to beat the stuffing out both Hatton and JMM. No mystery there.

I personally prefer the fighters who fight anyone and everyone, regardless of risk... and legacies and unbeaten records be damned. That's why I dislike Floyd now, and why I disliked DLH even more toward the end of his career. Because neither of them fit that mold. They were both calculating, conniving, "image-first" type of fighters. Of course, this is strictly my opinion.

[Kev]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

Then it's the former.


No, seriously... it's both. But Seanie's plan is STILL way more retarded. C'mon... you're still carrying Pretty Boy's torch even though he's done little in the last 3+ years to deserve it? Seriously? I mean... p4p should be based on recent accomplishments and on that basis alone. Are you honestly going to defend PBF's record in the last 3+ years as worthy of p4p? How long are you Floyd fans going to carry his jock... er... torch? C'mon!! The guy's dangling you fans on a string and playing you like yo-yo's. Look at his recent resume again:

Hatton - Enough said about that.
JMM - A true ATG... just not at the weight he fought Floyd. He was in WAY over his head.
Mosley - The guy aged before our very eyes.

What else has he done? Well.... besides dancing with the stars and wrestling Big Show. He's beaten up women and security guards... but those don't count for p4p ratings. What has he done? He ain't done JACK. All he does is run at the mouth, and... frankly... some of us are damn tired of it.

P4P? Not for this boxing fan.

Well hang on he's beat Oscar, Hatton, Marquez and Mosley. Manny has beat Oscar, Hatton, Marquez (controversially) and is next to fight Mosley.

Every guy he beat, he beat after Floyd had already beaten them, apart from Marquez and a large majority think he lost.

So you either a) also don't have Pacquiao in the top 5 either

or b) You rate Manny's wins over Clottey and Margarito as being so much more significant that they justify his inclusion in the top 5.

Either way you are challenging Seanie for the 'tard thought' of the week

[:::PSL:::]

MY personal top 5 p4p does not include Floyd Mayweather.

(collective sigh of disbelief from Mayweather fans)

I just don't think that having fought the overrated Hatton, undersized JMM, and over-the-hill Mosley in about 3 1/2 frigging years is action enough to warrant a top 5 p4p ranking for the Pretty Boy. (Even RJJ himself was calling him inactive during last night's telecast.... and he LIKES Floyd).

That being said, let the insults rain, and the booing begin........

If you are removing him from the ratings altogether on the grounds that he is inactive/retired then it's a fair position to hold, although for myself I still have him at two as he's not not publicly retired.

If you're saying you have him further down your list however and just don't think his current opposition is worthy of a top 5 placement then that is the most retarded thing I've heard on Saddo's this week at least, certainly since Seanie's plan to get doctor's to lead the protests for better fight matchups

Then it's the former.


No, seriously... it's both. But Seanie's plan is STILL way more retarded. C'mon... you're still carrying Pretty Boy's torch even though he's done little in the last 3+ years to deserve it? Seriously? I mean... p4p should be based on recent accomplishments and on that basis alone. Are you honestly going to defend PBF's record in the last 3+ years as worthy of p4p? How long are you Floyd fans going to carry his jock... er... torch? C'mon!! The guy's dangling you fans on a string and playing you like yo-yo's. Look at his recent resume again:

Hatton - Enough said about that.
JMM - A true ATG... just not at the weight he fought Floyd. He was in WAY over his head.
Mosley - The guy aged before our very eyes.

What else has he done? Well.... besides dancing with the stars and wrestling Big Show. He's beaten up women and security guards... but those don't count for p4p ratings. What has he done? He ain't done JACK. All he does is run at the mouth, and... frankly... some of us are damn tired of it.

P4P? Not for this boxing fan.

Well hang on he's beat Oscar, Hatton, Marquez and Mosley. Manny has beat Oscar, Hatton, Marquez (controversially) and is next to fight Mosley.

Every guy he beat, he beat after Floyd had already beaten them, apart from Marquez and a large majority think he lost.

So you either a) also don't have Pacquiao in the top 5 either

or b) You rate Manny's wins over Clottey and Margarito as being so much more significant that they justify his inclusion in the top 5.

Either way you are challenging Seanie for the 'tard thought' of the week

Mayweather's win over Dela Hoya was questionable too, and Pac destroyed Dela Hoya. Plus Pac did way quicker job against Hatton than Floyd did.

Mayweather is just a part time fighter. And there's no denying the fact that Mayweather avoided Margarito. That makes him a big pussy.

[Julius Rain]

I think HBO guys like Roy Jones are putting him at #2 because of skillset. I completely agree, skill wise Nonito is right below Pacquiao but considering every factor such as resume I have to place him third or forth.

When it comes to skills i dont think anybody can deny him that number 2 slot.

are you kidding me? Mayweather's skills are way beyond Donaire's

Mayweather is retired.

[ElTerribleMorales]

I think HBO guys like Roy Jones are putting him at #2 because of skillset. I completely agree, skill wise Nonito is right below Pacquiao but considering every factor such as resume I have to place him third or forth.

When it comes to skills i dont think anybody can deny him that number 2 slot.

are you kidding me? Mayweather's skills are way beyond Donaire's

Mayweather is retired.

until he actually says it again as he did the first time around, he's not retired, hell it hasn't even been a full 12 months since his last fight