Cotto vs Margarito II

[Pavlik]

I think Cotto could learn a bit from Dimitry Pirog and PIVOT more. It should be easy for him as he can fight orthodox or southpaw and you can slip in and out of range on balance and be ready to fire off punches quicker...you can lull fighters to sleep like that (Pirog-Jacobs) or draw them in for a big counter punch they never see coming.

Margarito is a strong cat and he's durable, but Cotto (and Manny) has to keep in mind that he doesn't need to deliver KO power in every single punch to beat him, he just needs an even steady pace and the main thing is to keep Margarito from throwing over 90-100+ punches a round, you need to look at when he's done that, every time he's been held to numbers like that he's been stopped.

El Kabong, so you would rather have Cotto box more here than be a pressure fighter?
This has been boggling my mind for quite some time now.

[El Kabong]

I would have Cotto fight (mentally) the manner in which Wlad would fight...box the hell out of him until he's ripe for the picking and then go for the kill. The problem with Cotto the last time was that Margarito is SO easy to hit Miguel thought "Well OK, I'll throw the kitchen sink at him and he'll wither like everyone else I've fought"...that's a very easy mistake to make when you fight someone that lacks defense but is durable...look at Morrison-Mercer, Wlad-Brewster I Lee-Vera, and so on.

Miguel was doing just fine vs Margaito to begin with, he won rounds easy, he didn't take much damage, he was really frustrating Toni for the first half of that fight...but he was putting too much on his punches which will tucker you out, he was circling away which was tiring him out, and Cotto's defense isn't made for BLOCKING shots it's made for parrying shots and countering which is hard to do when you're too tired to move and too tired to put anything on your punches.

I think if Cotto BOXED for 12 rounds he'd school Margarito...it's not Miguel's style, but it would be the smart thing to do. IF Cotto can KO Margarito he needs to put his emotions aside and allow the KO to come to him and not chase after it like he did the first time.

[CutMeMick]

Why fight him again you already beat him before...
that's how I feel anyway.

But a rematch would be huge and I think Cotto beats him again.

Cotto was soundly beating him in the center of the ring.
The 2nd Cotto would go to the ropes is when Tony did his best work.

That's usually when Tony works his best when opponents are pinned.
Look at all his TKO's most come in this fashion def. Lewis & Cintron off the top of my head.
Tony ladnded his best shot on Pac when Pac was sitting on the ropes.

[El Kabong]

I agree Mick, I think Cotto-Angulo would be better or even Cotto-Alvarez....I think Cotto could take both of those, he's a far better boxer than Angulo and he's a huge step up in competition for Canelo.

[No Contest]

Why fight him again you already beat him before...
that's how I feel anyway.

But a rematch would be huge and I think Cotto beats him again.

Cotto was soundly beating him in the center of the ring.
The 2nd Cotto would go to the ropes is when Tony did his best work.

That's usually when Tony works his best when opponents are pinned.
Look at all his TKO's most come in this fashion def. Lewis & Cintron off the top of my head.
Tony ladnded his best shot on Pac when Pac was sitting on the ropes.

You have just entered Cutmemicks fantasy land where getting your ass beat means you won. Its a magical place where all your favorite fighters never lose. Bernard Hopkins is there as host, he will show you around. Vic Darchinyan will be guest speaking on how getting knocked unconcious isnt really losing, and that you can actually still fight while unconcious.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Why fight him again you already beat him before...
that's how I feel anyway.

But a rematch would be huge and I think Cotto beats him again.

Cotto was soundly beating him in the center of the ring.
The 2nd Cotto would go to the ropes is when Tony did his best work.

That's usually when Tony works his best when opponents are pinned.
Look at all his TKO's most come in this fashion def. Lewis & Cintron off the top of my head.
Tony ladnded his best shot on Pac when Pac was sitting on the ropes.

You have just entered Cutmemicks fantasy land where getting your ass beat means you won. Its a magical place where all your favorite fighters never lose. Bernard Hopkins is there as host, he will show you around. Vic Darchinyan will be guest speaking on how getting knocked unconcious isnt really losing, and that you can actually still fight while unconcious.

hey maybe you should join in, i heard John Duddy is going to have his world titles on display

[No Contest]

Why fight him again you already beat him before...
that's how I feel anyway.

But a rematch would be huge and I think Cotto beats him again.

Cotto was soundly beating him in the center of the ring.
The 2nd Cotto would go to the ropes is when Tony did his best work.

That's usually when Tony works his best when opponents are pinned.
Look at all his TKO's most come in this fashion def. Lewis & Cintron off the top of my head.
Tony ladnded his best shot on Pac when Pac was sitting on the ropes.

You have just entered Cutmemicks fantasy land where getting your ass beat means you won. Its a magical place where all your favorite fighters never lose. Bernard Hopkins is there as host, he will show you around. Vic Darchinyan will be guest speaking on how getting knocked unconcious isnt really losing, and that you can actually still fight while unconcious.

hey maybe you should join in, i heard John Duddy is going to have his world titles on display

I'm too busy listening to Cotto talk about how he demolished Pac and made him quit. I'm more interested in active fighters. Mayorga will be having a retirement speech on how to beat fighters by letting them hit you uncontested in the face. Duddy will be in attendance I'll talk to him then.

[NUCLEAR BULL]

my concern is that 154 suits magarito and is a weight class above what cotto is made for, he doesnt have the height to mix with magarito, cotto tends to fight small......however it remains to be seen how much is left in magarito and cotto...... miguel has lost speed and movement from his peak few years back and tonys been poped by mosley and beat down by pacman.......it would be another punishing fight for two men that have really had to many of those already...i'd favour magarito 51/49%, both guys should retire after this if it happens

[TitoFan]

Oh shit.... here we go again. I can understand (and utterly respect) Cotto for wanting to avenge his loss to MargaCHEATO. But damn! It's a risky proposition. These are the key factors, IMO:

1. Psychological factor - I put this one first because it's going to come up in the pre-fight analyses. Miguel has to overcome that psychological factor of facing someone who beat him up badly the first time around. Although, if anyone has a strong mind and can deal with that kind of thing, it's Cotto.

2. Cotto's game plan - IMO, his getting together with Emanuel was by FAR the best thing to have happened to his career. His uncle was only going to take him so far, and Joe Santiago (no disrespect intended) was a nobody in the corner. Cotto had a lousy game plan against MargaCHEATO the first time around, and he had a lousy game plan against Pacquiao.

3. Weight of the fight - Again, IMO, the heavier they fight, the more it favors MargaCHEATO. Hey, he's taller and naturally the bigger guy. Like someone said in another thread... Cotto is a stocky junior middleweight. MargaCHEATO is a full-blown junior middleweight.

4. Cotto's stamina - Against MargaCHEATO the first time around, Cotto lost his steam after the 6th or 7th round. Yet against Mayorga, he showed good stamina, culminating with a TKO win in the 12th. Emanuel has got to work to maintain Cotto's conditioning to avoid a repeat of the first MargaCHEATO fight.


I'm torn... I'd love nothing more than for Cotto to avenge his loss to MargaCHEATO... but I'd absolutely hate to see Cotto lose to the bum again. At least I know he'll be totally prepared, with Emanuel in his corner. Emanuel has already thrown a few tidbits of wisdom out there, like saying that Cotto would need to put some power behind his punches and not throw them while backing up. He did that in the first fight and it got him nowhere. I hope Emanuel AND Cotto study the Mosley- MargaCHEATO fight, which is the perfect blueprint on beating Margarito. Cotto may not be as physically strong as Mosley... but if fights in close and makes MargaCHEATO back up, and attacks the body with his lethal left hook.... he should be able to kick his ass.

Me? I'll be on sedatives the night of the fight.