Solis, wtf happened?

[amat]

People are unbelievable. He OBVIOUSLY was hurt because of his knee and not because of that pawing punch that happened to touch the back of his head. It's to bad too but he wasn't stunned and in retreat mode because of a punch. He was on his backfoot the whole round making Vitali come to him, that's all he was doing.

If he can come back, I still thinks Solis has a good boxing IQ and puts his punches together faster then anyone in the division including Haye.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Wow people are rough on dude lol ! I don't know either way. None of us do. Rewinding the tape or calling out csi to investigate will get you the same results. Everyone is guessing on what happened. Only solis knows for sure. Either way he did no better or worse than anyone else getting mopped by the klitch's lately. Hell in less than a round he did way more than let's say ....david haye. It's funny to hear people call solis or arreolla fat and out of shape while fighting, yet people give credit to the so called greek god who uses his fit body to only talk. Shit happens and that's what we just saw this weekend. Solis would have probably eventually loss, but so has everyone else.

Very true Mar....as a boxing fan I (and I'm sure you, and everyone else) hates this kind of ending because it isn't a true result. Had Solis' knee not screwed up he COULD have continued his in and out approach but for how long...would Vitali tire? Would Vitali get hurt? Would Solis tire? There are more questions with a result like this than answers and as a fan it pisses me off.


JimBoog the pics you've shared are good, but do you have any of when he actually fell? Because it seemed to me (though it wasn't caught on camera) that Solis' right leg ended up under his body when he fell. From your pictures it also seems like Solis rolled his left ankle which lead to gravity showing him no mercy

Oh for christs sake
There's plently footage of him falling down in that video alone. I only highlighted the critical points. You are right though, he does fall about with his right knee in some precarious positions but the initial truma is indicated in those snapshots.

As you can see in the last picture, he steps to the right, then falls. His right leg can't hold the weight because his right knee is fucked.

[El Kabong]

People are unbelievable. He OBVIOUSLY was hurt because of his knee and not because of that pawing punch that happened to touch the back of his head. It's to bad too but he wasn't stunned and in retreat mode because of a punch. He was on his backfoot the whole round making Vitali come to him, that's all he was doing.

If he can come back, I still thinks Solis has a good boxing IQ and puts his punches together faster then anyone in the division including Haye.

...Well it's nice that you think that way, but it's erroneous because Vitali is still the WBC title holder.

Could there be a future rematch? Sure. Will there be a rematch...well I doubt it, but hell stranger things have happened. I do figure Vitali will retire before Solis is in any kind of shape to challenge for another belt.

amat, I don't question Solis' ability as a boxer. His amateur pedigree and success thusfar speaks for itself. I do not think Solis took that punch well at all...whether it caught him off balance or he twisted his knee throwing the punch that got countered, I don't know. But I do know Solis has been down early in a fight before (vs you know who in the amateurs) and a fighter of his calibre should NOT get caught off balance especially when he's boxing relatively well. Solis has plenty of upside, plenty of pro potential, but this knee injury isn't good for him and I never once thought his chin was all that great (regardless of whether or not the punch hurt him...I saw that it did as his left leg buckled, but whatever) being immobile or less mobile now after suffering the injury and never really training all that well is not going to help him out in the long run.

You've got to ask yourself...what's Solis going to do vs someone like Wlad who would tie him up and lean on him? What would he do vs someone like the WBA title holder that he'd have to stalk down? How's the knee going to hold up to that? How will it hold up if he's trying to fight in and out like he tried vs Vitali? When he got hurt he was on a good knee, now he'll have to do it on a knee that at best may be 95% what it used to be and I don't forsee Solis going on Slimfast anytime soon either.

[El Kabong]

Wow people are rough on dude lol ! I don't know either way. None of us do. Rewinding the tape or calling out csi to investigate will get you the same results. Everyone is guessing on what happened. Only solis knows for sure. Either way he did no better or worse than anyone else getting mopped by the klitch's lately. Hell in less than a round he did way more than let's say ....david haye. It's funny to hear people call solis or arreolla fat and out of shape while fighting, yet people give credit to the so called greek god who uses his fit body to only talk. Shit happens and that's what we just saw this weekend. Solis would have probably eventually loss, but so has everyone else.

Very true Mar....as a boxing fan I (and I'm sure you, and everyone else) hates this kind of ending because it isn't a true result. Had Solis' knee not screwed up he COULD have continued his in and out approach but for how long...would Vitali tire? Would Vitali get hurt? Would Solis tire? There are more questions with a result like this than answers and as a fan it pisses me off.


JimBoog the pics you've shared are good, but do you have any of when he actually fell? Because it seemed to me (though it wasn't caught on camera) that Solis' right leg ended up under his body when he fell. From your pictures it also seems like Solis rolled his left ankle which lead to gravity showing him no mercy

Oh for christs sake
There's plently footage of him falling down in that video alone. I only highlighted the critical points. You are right though, he does fall about with his right knee in some precarious positions but the initial truma is indicated in those snapshots.

As you can see in the last picture, he steps to the right, then falls. His right leg can't hold the weight because his right knee is fucked.

...I'm just saying the weight (all that weight ) falling on his leg could not help matters

[Hulk]

Well after having seen the entire "fight" as opposed to just watching the knockdown/injury. Solis may have been winning the round up until he got hurt, but however hard that punch was it DID stun Solis who I think as he was backing up while hurt didn't have good control of himself and he fell with his leg under his fat ass thereby tearing up his knee. All I have to say is rematch or no rematch Solis has a very weak chin...but he is a good boxer I saw some flashes of speed, good combinations, and decent defense, but that chin is very shakey

His chin didn't get touched at all. You can count three full seconds from the time that little glancing shot lands to the time he steps back and falls down clutching his knee. He wasn't hit or hurt at all imo. Also, he looks like he's limping from the first bell. His legs don't look good from the start.

I actually think on reflection he will do well in a rematch. He needs to earn it though. My guess is he will be out for six months at least. Hopefully he can get in with Adamek or Arreola after, either of those fights would be fun, and then put him back in.

Yes ! My hero Bilbo !

The punch did not hurt or knock Solis down.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

It annoys me that people (now I sound like Teath!) say Vitali hit him with a pawing or glancing blow. Okay it wasn't a haymaker but Solis ducked into a temple shot.

His whole oversized upperbody... Straight into an uppercut... That landed clean on the temple.

It stiffened up his whole left leg i tell you!

[El Kabong]

OK now, having seen Solis falling from every angle they had #1 The punch did land clean (solid counter by Vitali) #2 The punch DID hurt Solis #3 When Solis tried to sturdy himself by shifting weight back to his right he blew his knee out. That's just what I saw.

[No Contest]

Bilbo come on man you know that temple shots can knock you off balance right? You do know this medical fact? You dont have to be hit in the chin for your equilibrium to get scrambled. I saw him get hit in the temple area, his neck gets a shockwave that send his legs squirrelly. If he wasnt affected by the punch he would have brought his left leg back rather than it spazzing out like it did. Some people just see what they want to see. Glen Becks of boxing I swear.

[Spicoli]

Not sure if we're trying to detract more from Vitali or make excuses for Solis ha. Theres no doubt that a shot-punch-half a hand landed and the impression of a fat kid on a sugar high wearing roller skates by Solis followed immediately afterwords. As shit as it sounds its irrelevant. Or this....

[Kev]

Bilbo come on man you know that temple shots can knock you off balance right? You do know this medical fact? You dont have to be hit in the chin for your equilibrium to get scrambled. I saw him get hit in the temple area, his neck gets a shockwave that send his legs squirrelly. If he wasnt affected by the punch he would have brought his left leg back rather than it spazzing out like it did. Some people just see what they want to see. Glen Becks of boxing I swear.

It's not really a question of whether the punch had any effect, it's whether it was the reason he couldn't continue. I'm sure Vitali felt the punches that solis countered him with too, it doesn't mean had his leg popped at that time that it would have been those punches that ko'd him.

Watch your own video back. He gets hit with a glancing temple shot. Then a full three seconds pass before he steps back and his knee goes. Whether he felt the punch or not, or whether it contributed to his knee buckling isn't the issue here. It just seems clear to me, and I think most unbiased observers that it was the knee that prevented him from fighting.

Do you think from watching that video that he would have gone down with a healthy knee? I disagree completely. Count the three seconds, why did he go down then? Would he have been so discombobulated that his legs turned to jelly, but still sharp enough to clutch his knee as he was falling to make it look as if his knee went? Would he have been clear eyed enough to shake his head at his corner, indicating his knee was bust when he got up?

He lost 100% because his knee went. And like most, I thought he was winning the fight from at that point.

He was doing something that nobody else has managed against Vitali thus far. Fight defensively on his back foot and catch Vitali as he was coming in using his superior handspeed. What would have happened? I don't know and can't say, certainly Vitali never looked hurt by those shots but it did look like it was getting interesting.

Hopefully he can come back.


Also, can we stop this ridiculousness about Solis being knocked down and almost finished by Haye in the Olympics.

Here is the fight

He walks on to a tremendous uppercut, the kind of shot that KO'd Darchinyan and Paul Williams, and doesn't go down but staggers back and takes a mandatory 8 count.

He's down 9-2 from that exchange.

He closes the round at 9-4 which means far from being out on his feet he actually won the rest of the round and then completely dominated David Haye from that point.

His chin looks pretty solid to me, and his skills are clearly world class.

If he can recover properly, and get into decent shape, obviously two big if, he can clean up the weight class after the Klitschko's move on imo.

Healthy i think he can take Haye, Adamek, Povetkin etc. I'm not writing him off yet, providing he takes his training seriously.

[Gandalf]

Cheers for the video link, Bilbo.

Solis was wobbled backwards, but took that punch fairly easily and then came back to show that he was much better than Haye. I have tried to ignore Solis thus far, but I am really coming around to him.

[fan johnny]

I can't believe you guys are arguing Solis was KO'd by that slap. (that looked more like a table tennis fore-paddle swing) He 'obviously' missed his cue. He did such a bad job of acting that he had to turn to an alternative knee injury. Daaa!

[No Contest]

I can't believe you guys are arguing Solis was KO'd by that slap. (that looked more like a table tennis fore-paddle swing) He 'obviously' missed his cue. He did such a bad job of acting that he had to turn to an alternative knee injury. Daaa!

Not argueing he was ko=knocked out. We were argueing if it caused the kd=knockdown.

[Spicoli]

Solis that big tub of goo doesn't merit this level of fantasy spin....like a guy having multiple cuts and ref trying to distinguish between what a punch caused and what a headbutt caused and keeping track of based on word of fighter and his vision. No grey area needed... Fighter clipped...fighter falls. His kness has zero to do with it. Ref has no chance but to follow the order of events. We're stuck on symantics

[No Contest]

Bilbo come on man you know that temple shots can knock you off balance right? You do know this medical fact? You dont have to be hit in the chin for your equilibrium to get scrambled. I saw him get hit in the temple area, his neck gets a shockwave that send his legs squirrelly. If he wasnt affected by the punch he would have brought his left leg back rather than it spazzing out like it did. Some people just see what they want to see. Glen Becks of boxing I swear.

It's not really a question of whether the punch had any effect, it's whether it was the reason he couldn't continue. I'm sure Vitali felt the punches that solis countered him with too, it doesn't mean had his leg popped at that time that it would have been those punches that ko'd him.

Watch your own video back. He gets hit with a glancing temple shot. Then a full three seconds pass before he steps back and his knee goes. Whether he felt the punch or not, or whether it contributed to his knee buckling isn't the issue here. It just seems clear to me, and I think most unbiased observers that it was the knee that prevented him from fighting.

Do you think from watching that video that he would have gone down with a healthy knee? I disagree completely. Count the three seconds, why did he go down then? Would he have been so discombobulated that his legs turned to jelly, but still sharp enough to clutch his knee as he was falling to make it look as if his knee went? Would he have been clear eyed enough to shake his head at his corner, indicating his knee was bust when he got up?

He lost 100% because his knee went. And like most, I thought he was winning the fight from at that point.

He was doing something that nobody else has managed against Vitali thus far. Fight defensively on his back foot and catch Vitali as he was coming in using his superior handspeed. What would have happened? I don't know and can't say, certainly Vitali never looked hurt by those shots but it did look like it was getting interesting.

Hopefully he can come back.


Also, can we stop this ridiculousness about Solis being knocked down and almost finished by Haye in the Olympics.

Here is the fight

He walks on to a tremendous uppercut, the kind of shot that KO'd Darchinyan and Paul Williams, and doesn't go down but staggers back and takes a mandatory 8 count.

He's down 9-2 from that exchange.

He closes the round at 9-4 which means far from being out on his feet he actually won the rest of the round and then completely dominated David Haye from that point.

His chin looks pretty solid to me, and his skills are clearly world class.

If he can recover properly, and get into decent shape, obviously two big if, he can clean up the weight class after the Klitschko's move on imo.

Healthy i think he can take Haye, Adamek, Povetkin etc. I'm not writing him off yet, providing he takes his training seriously.

You wrote that huge post and completely missed the point we were argueing about. Of course he could have continued after the knockdown if his knee wasnt equal to a geriatric old lady. He hurt his right knee bilbo, once he was already falling, or as you conspiracy freaks think re-agrivated an already injured knee. Why wouldnt they give him a knee brace? You know like Jesus Chavez used to wear. So was his left knee injured as well? Is that why it was shaking like a leaf? The punch caused the knockdown, and I dont think some of you guys are as unbiased as you think you are....Why would his left knee shake like that, can you explain that one to me? You guys are funny, from one round of boxing you come up with him being able to beat anyone but a Klitschko. All the talk they did about we are going toupset Vitali, this and that, then to come in that shape. He doesnt get any credit from me. If his knee was injured shame on his manager for letting him possibly ruin his career.