Lucian bute vs Carl froch

[Rantcatrat]

Bute looked meaningfully better than Froch against Magee, their only common opponent. It appeared Magee was only down by a point before he was caught.

That's not their only common opponent.

Sergey Tatevosyan - Froch destroyed him in two, Bute won PTS.

People can ONLY rate Bute above Froch on talent/potential. On form Bute doesn't even come close to Froch. It's not even close. It's utterly ridiculous Bute currently stands above Froch in most "expert" rankings. P4P yeah but SM rankings - utter nonsense.

I didn't know they had another common opponent. Not to go on about semantics, but Bute won every single round against Tatevosyan; he just didn't knock him out. Froch fought Tatevosyan right after Bute had just dominated him too (boxrec). Froch lost quite a few rounds against Magee. It was actually a very close fight at stoppage time. Tangentially, boxrec has Pirog fighting Tatevosyan when he had only fought as professional 3 times!1 Wow.

Oh on form, Froch has better wins than any other fighter at 168. If he hadn't lost to Kessler, it wouldn't even be close. Outside of Kessler, Ward's wins aren't any better than Bute's.

Yeah lets not go into semantics but a KO is better than a PTS win and I had Brian Magee beating Froch until he was sent to sleep.. oh yeah, you have to consider Froch broke his thumb in the very first round (that's something the Froch lovers always point out).

AS for Ward having just a single better win than Bute, yeah sure it might just be one win but it's pretty fucking huge. If Bute fights Kessler it will not only be his biggest high profile fight to date but, should he win, it will also be his best achievement by MILEs, and this is a Kessler already slightly past his pomp.

Let's not diminish the win before it happens. If he is slightly passed his pomp now, what was he when he fought Froch in his last fight? In addition, Bute looked better than Ward in fighting Miranda and Bika. He dominated Bika with a capital D whereas Ward had some difficulties and he knocked out Miranda viciously.

Last year Kessler was forced into retirement through vision problems. In recent years he also has had hand/arm and back problems. I think it's pretty safe to say he is slightly past his best. However, it will still be a great win for Bute.. IF he wins.

Bute beat Miranda/Bika more impressively than Ward - IYO. Fair enough. If those were Ward's best wins then you could rate Bute above him on that formline. However, they're not Ward's best wins they're Bute's best. Ward has a better win, which therefore ranks him higher than Bute in the supermiddle rankings

There is no debate about that. It's also the reason Ward ranks above Froch.

Kessler said he had those vision problems prior to the Froch fight too as well as the hand/back problems. Not to diminish Froch's loss.

[Fenster]

Bute looked meaningfully better than Froch against Magee, their only common opponent. It appeared Magee was only down by a point before he was caught.

That's not their only common opponent.

Sergey Tatevosyan - Froch destroyed him in two, Bute won PTS.

People can ONLY rate Bute above Froch on talent/potential. On form Bute doesn't even come close to Froch. It's not even close. It's utterly ridiculous Bute currently stands above Froch in most "expert" rankings. P4P yeah but SM rankings - utter nonsense.

I didn't know they had another common opponent. Not to go on about semantics, but Bute won every single round against Tatevosyan; he just didn't knock him out. Froch fought Tatevosyan right after Bute had just dominated him too (boxrec). Froch lost quite a few rounds against Magee. It was actually a very close fight at stoppage time. Tangentially, boxrec has Pirog fighting Tatevosyan when he had only fought as professional 3 times!1 Wow.

Oh on form, Froch has better wins than any other fighter at 168. If he hadn't lost to Kessler, it wouldn't even be close. Outside of Kessler, Ward's wins aren't any better than Bute's.

Yeah lets not go into semantics but a KO is better than a PTS win and I had Brian Magee beating Froch until he was sent to sleep.. oh yeah, you have to consider Froch broke his thumb in the very first round (that's something the Froch lovers always point out).

AS for Ward having just a single better win than Bute, yeah sure it might just be one win but it's pretty fucking huge. If Bute fights Kessler it will not only be his biggest high profile fight to date but, should he win, it will also be his best achievement by MILEs, and this is a Kessler already slightly past his pomp.

Let's not diminish the win before it happens. If he is slightly passed his pomp now, what was he when he fought Froch in his last fight? In addition, Bute looked better than Ward in fighting Miranda and Bika. He dominated Bika with a capital D whereas Ward had some difficulties and he knocked out Miranda viciously.

Last year Kessler was forced into retirement through vision problems. In recent years he also has had hand/arm and back problems. I think it's pretty safe to say he is slightly past his best. However, it will still be a great win for Bute.. IF he wins.

Bute beat Miranda/Bika more impressively than Ward - IYO. Fair enough. If those were Ward's best wins then you could rate Bute above him on that formline. However, they're not Ward's best wins they're Bute's best. Ward has a better win, which therefore ranks him higher than Bute in the supermiddle rankings

There is no debate about that. It's also the reason Ward ranks above Froch.

Kessler said he had those vision problems prior to the Froch fight too as well as the hand/back problems. Not to diminish Froch's loss.

Exactly. Ward rates above Froch on that formline.

If Kessler had vision problems against Froch, it certainly hasn't improved so there's no way he is currently in his pomp. If he does fight Bute he probably needs a warm-up first.

[Rantcatrat]

Exactly. Ward rates above Froch on that formline.

If Kessler had vision problems against Froch, it certainly hasn't improved so there's no way he is currently in his pomp. If he does fight Bute he probably needs a warm-up first.

He's lined up to fight a Canadian guy that was on the last Bute undercard. Renee' St. Juste is his name, I think.