Dumbasses arguing about running.

[ono]

I thought the 'joining the army' thread had become somewhat off kilter, but this one takes the biscuit. I have no idea what anyone is rabbiting on about here. So, it's a thread about heavyweights that has turned into something about running? Very obtuse.

I agree with VanChild's that running machines are boring. I prefer to cycle rather than run, but must admit that I do neither these days. My walk is more like a run for a regular person anyway. Rather brisk. I can probably walk several miles in about 10 minutes.

Not unless you're Godzilla you can't.

[Master]

On the cross trainer I run 12kh in 37 minutes, knackering but cannot run on the road as my knees will not take the impact. I think outside running is harder BTW.

[AdamGB]

Stop being fags, fuck the treadmill, 45 minute run with 3-4 sets of hill sprints will shed fat and build more fitness than some drawn out plad ever will! Unless you've got weak joints you've no excuse.

Whilst I enjoy running distance (some what,i fucking love to sprint!) it's not the most effecient way to run unless your goals are just marathon type endurance. If it comes down to fat loss and Aerobic/Anaerobic thresholds and recovery rates ('conditioning') then slow, long duration training is quite literally a long road to no where.

It gives minimal metabolism boost and only really works one energy system.

You do need a good Aerobic base, but you should quickly progress on from there.

And as for 12.5 miles in 3 hours, I'm not a distance runner and I xan run 13.3 miles in about 1 hour 30. Don't know about with a 15kg pack... I'd imagine I'd be fastet than 3hrs though... You'll ve fine with a bit of training.

On the cross trainer I run

Does not compute!

[Master]

What I meant is that I "run" on the cross trainer without using the handles on the arms. There is no impact on the knees but builds up the muscles. I also sprint on it and sweat buckets which feels great after, it is starting part that is the hardest, knowing the pain I will have to go through to feel good.

[AdamGB]

heheh, I know... I'm just being a cock... I don't know what else you could call what you do on a cross trainer....

I think cycling is the technically correct term... but it sure as shit doesn't look like cycling!

They've got there uses... especially if you can't run.

have you tried much rowing? Great for sprint type training, I'm not a huge fan of cardio machines as such... but if I had to use one for various reasons it would be the rowing machine.

[CFH]

Stop being fags, fuck the treadmill, 45 minute run with 3-4 sets of hill sprints will shed fat and build more fitness than some drawn out plad ever will! Unless you've got weak joints you've no excuse.

Whilst I enjoy running distance (some what,i fucking love to sprint!) it's not the most effecient way to run unless your goals are just marathon type endurance. If it comes down to fat loss and Aerobic/Anaerobic thresholds and recovery rates ('conditioning') then slow, long duration training is quite literally a long road to no where.

It gives minimal metabolism boost and only really works one energy system.

You do need a good Aerobic base, but you should quickly progress on from there.

And as for 12.5 miles in 3 hours, I'm not a distance runner and I xan run 13.3 miles in about 1 hour 30. Don't know about with a 15kg pack... I'd imagine I'd be fastet than 3hrs though... You'll ve fine with a bit of training.

On the cross trainer I run

Does not compute!

What about a longish run (ie 8-11km) with numerous large hills mixed in (like hills that leave you gasping for breath when you reach the top)? That's something I do fairly regularly.

[No Contest]

What I meant is that I "run" on the cross trainer without using the handles on the arms. There is no impact on the knees but builds up the muscles. I also sprint on it and sweat buckets which feels great after, it is starting part that is the hardest, knowing the pain I will have to go through to feel good.

I run on the stationary bike, kind of looks silly though. I do push ups on the treadmill, and sit ups on the stair climber.

[Gandalf]

Some of you sound extremely healthy. I'm not sure if I could even do 3 miles anymore.

[AdamGB]

Is that what ur names on about?

[ryanman]

Stop being fags, fuck the treadmill, 45 minute run with 3-4 sets of hill sprints will shed fat and build more fitness than some drawn out plad ever will! Unless you've got weak joints you've no excuse.

Whilst I enjoy running distance (some what,i fucking love to sprint!) it's not the most effecient way to run unless your goals are just marathon type endurance. If it comes down to fat loss and Aerobic/Anaerobic thresholds and recovery rates ('conditioning') then slow, long duration training is quite literally a long road to no where.

It gives minimal metabolism boost and only really works one energy system.

You do need a good Aerobic base, but you should quickly progress on from there.

And as for 12.5 miles in 3 hours, I'm not a distance runner and I xan run 13.3 miles in about 1 hour 30. Don't know about with a 15kg pack... I'd imagine I'd be fastet than 3hrs though... You'll ve fine with a bit of training.

On the cross trainer I run

Does not compute!

What about a longish run (ie 8-11km) with numerous large hills mixed in (like hills that leave you gasping for breath when you reach the top)? That's something I do fairly regularly.

Do you regret renaming the thread the way you did now you are taking part in it?

[Kev]

heheh, I know... I'm just being a cock... I don't know what else you could call what you do on a cross trainer....

I think cycling is the technically correct term... but it sure as shit doesn't look like cycling!

They've got there uses... especially if you can't run.

have you tried much rowing? Great for sprint type training, I'm not a huge fan of cardio machines as such... but if I had to use one for various reasons it would be the rowing machine.

I'm glad an actual boxer likes the rowing machine too. I've started following a beginner plan on my Concept 2 using software called rowpro.

It's pretty light and easy by your standards of course, most sessions are just a 2 min warmup, 15 min main session and 2 min cool down but for me it's pretty intense. I'm also using the Kinect Fitness Evolved program, and just started adding some (very light) weights this week.

Anyway my question. Do you think using a rowing machine regularly will give me a good all around fitness, strength and cardio? Specifically, if I keep at it over the next few months will it build up my thighs, back and shoulders and make me broader or does it not it actually add any muscle?

Also should I be walking as well (will never run, less than 50% lung capacity) or does rowing give me the same cardiovascular benefits that I would get from walking anyway?

I also have a bike at home which I hate to use, but don't know if I should try and add that to my routine as well. I'd like to build my legs up, don't know if cycling would do that though? I've got skinny little calfs but a bit of fat on my thighs. I'd like to get them looking a bit less like Mike Tyson's legs if poss

[Master]

heheh, I know... I'm just being a cock... I don't know what else you could call what you do on a cross trainer....

I think cycling is the technically correct term... but it sure as shit doesn't look like cycling!

They've got there uses... especially if you can't run.

have you tried much rowing? Great for sprint type training, I'm not a huge fan of cardio machines as such... but if I had to use one for various reasons it would be the rowing machine.

I'm glad an actual boxer likes the rowing machine too. I've started following a beginner plan on my Concept 2 using software called rowpro.

It's pretty light and easy by your standards of course, most sessions are just a 2 min warmup, 15 min main session and 2 min cool down but for me it's pretty intense. I'm also using the Kinect Fitness Evolved program, and just started adding some (very light) weights this week.

Anyway my question. Do you think using a rowing machine regularly will give me a good all around fitness, strength and cardio? Specifically, if I keep at it over the next few months will it build up my thighs, back and shoulders and make me broader or does it not it actually add any muscle?

Also should I be walking as well (will never run, less than 50% lung capacity) or does rowing give me the same cardiovascular benefits that I would get from walking anyway?

I also have a bike at home which I hate to use, but don't know if I should try and add that to my routine as well. I'd like to build my legs up, don't know if cycling would do that though? I've got skinny little calfs but a bit of fat on my thighs. I'd like to get them looking a bit less like Mike Tyson's legs if poss

I did not realise rowing machines were that good for heart rate. My cross trainer is also a bike so I sprint using the bikes in 10 second bursts. It is absolutely knackering doing it for 35 minutes. Also no impact on the knees.

[CFH]

Stop being fags, fuck the treadmill, 45 minute run with 3-4 sets of hill sprints will shed fat and build more fitness than some drawn out plad ever will! Unless you've got weak joints you've no excuse.

Whilst I enjoy running distance (some what,i fucking love to sprint!) it's not the most effecient way to run unless your goals are just marathon type endurance. If it comes down to fat loss and Aerobic/Anaerobic thresholds and recovery rates ('conditioning') then slow, long duration training is quite literally a long road to no where.

It gives minimal metabolism boost and only really works one energy system.

You do need a good Aerobic base, but you should quickly progress on from there.

And as for 12.5 miles in 3 hours, I'm not a distance runner and I xan run 13.3 miles in about 1 hour 30. Don't know about with a 15kg pack... I'd imagine I'd be fastet than 3hrs though... You'll ve fine with a bit of training.

On the cross trainer I run

Does not compute!

What about a longish run (ie 8-11km) with numerous large hills mixed in (like hills that leave you gasping for breath when you reach the top)? That's something I do fairly regularly.

Do you regret renaming the thread the way you did now you are taking part in it?

I took part in it before I renamed it.

[ryanman]

Stop being fags, fuck the treadmill, 45 minute run with 3-4 sets of hill sprints will shed fat and build more fitness than some drawn out plad ever will! Unless you've got weak joints you've no excuse.

Whilst I enjoy running distance (some what,i fucking love to sprint!) it's not the most effecient way to run unless your goals are just marathon type endurance. If it comes down to fat loss and Aerobic/Anaerobic thresholds and recovery rates ('conditioning') then slow, long duration training is quite literally a long road to no where.

It gives minimal metabolism boost and only really works one energy system.

You do need a good Aerobic base, but you should quickly progress on from there.

And as for 12.5 miles in 3 hours, I'm not a distance runner and I xan run 13.3 miles in about 1 hour 30. Don't know about with a 15kg pack... I'd imagine I'd be fastet than 3hrs though... You'll ve fine with a bit of training.

On the cross trainer I run

Does not compute!

What about a longish run (ie 8-11km) with numerous large hills mixed in (like hills that leave you gasping for breath when you reach the top)? That's something I do fairly regularly.

Do you regret renaming the thread the way you did now you are taking part in it?

I took part in it before I renamed it.

Kudos my friend. Kudos. The renaming made me chuckle anyway, and their indignant reaction.

[ross]

Anyone heard of tabata sprints?

Iv been researching a bit and tried them yesterday. They are absolutely brutal

Im going to keep them up, apparently much better for fitness than normal runs or even hill runs. Wish my coaches years ago knew about all this stuff!

20 seconds of flat out sprinting, then 10 second rest and repeat 8 times and thats a total of 4 minutes training which a Japanese scientist studied people doing 1 hour a day moderately a, 5 days a week compared to those doing the same days but only the 4 minutes. He found the ones doing the short sprints were fitter. Also better for burning fat.

I am quite unfit at the moment and only managed 3 before I didnt want to do anymore! Thats only just over a minute!

It is recomended doing 4 minutes jogging warm up, then the sprint intervals, then 4 minutes jogging as a warm down. So an awesome training session in less than 15 minutes!