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[Rantcatrat]

Can someone explain to me, using specifics, how a fighter like Adamek (who is a relatively mediocre heavyweight) could cause even a 40 year old Vitali Klitschko problems? I just don't see how it's possible. Adamek is too small, he has next to no power, he can't outjab Vitali, and he can't outbox him, and I think he's chinny as a HW. How can he win?

Well, here is what Adamek's people are thinking: Adamek uses the whole ring and moves a lot all around it. Adamek has practiced moving in and getting out against his heavyweight opponents while dancing around the ring for each round. He doesn't knock his heavyweight opponents down, but he throws more punches and lands more punches than they do on average each round. He'll try and make this a boring fight. He'll plan to box Vitali for 12 rounds and hope the giant loses a step in the middle to late rounds and then he can begin to win some of the rounds on points. I wouldn't be super surprised if he lost the fight in a 116-112 kind of manner.

[ninjaspy3]

Can someone explain to me, using specifics, how a fighter like Adamek (who is a relatively mediocre heavyweight) could cause even a 40 year old Vitali Klitschko problems? I just don't see how it's possible. Adamek is too small, he has next to no power, he can't outjab Vitali, and he can't outbox him, and I think he's chinny as a HW. How can he win?

Well, here is what Adamek's people are thinking: Adamek uses the whole ring and moves a lot all around it. Adamek has practiced moving in and getting out against his heavyweight opponents while dancing around the ring for each round. He doesn't knock his heavyweight opponents down, but he throws more punches and lands more punches than they do on average each round. He'll try and make this a boring fight. He'll plan to box Vitali for 12 rounds and hope the giant loses a step in the middle to late rounds and then he can begin to win some of the rounds on points. I wouldn't be super surprised if he lost the fight in a 116-112 kind of manner.

I can see the logic behind that thinking. I guess in that case the big question would be, will Vitali's age finally bring down his boxing skills to the point where Adamek can find some room to work out a win on points. It will be a rough night for Adamek. You can tell he gives it everything he's got due to the sheer size difference of the guys in his last 2 fights, because at the end it looks like he is just about drained because of keeping up that high work rate and having these larger guys leaning on him throughout the fight.

[CFH]

Can someone explain to me, using specifics, how a fighter like Adamek (who is a relatively mediocre heavyweight) could cause even a 40 year old Vitali Klitschko problems? I just don't see how it's possible. Adamek is too small, he has next to no power, he can't outjab Vitali, and he can't outbox him, and I think he's chinny as a HW. How can he win?

Well, here is what Adamek's people are thinking: Adamek uses the whole ring and moves a lot all around it. Adamek has practiced moving in and getting out against his heavyweight opponents while dancing around the ring for each round. He doesn't knock his heavyweight opponents down, but he throws more punches and lands more punches than they do on average each round. He'll try and make this a boring fight. He'll plan to box Vitali for 12 rounds and hope the giant loses a step in the middle to late rounds and then he can begin to win some of the rounds on points. I wouldn't be super surprised if he lost the fight in a 116-112 kind of manner.

I can see them thinking that if he runs all night he might survive to see the final bell. I can even see them thinking that he'll outland an old and quickly fading Vitali, but even if that's the case Vitali is going to land the more telling blows and control the center of the ring. It just don't see anything about Adamek that makes me think he can beat any of the big three at heavyweight. He'll, I'm not even sure he could beat Eddie Chambers.

[Kev]

Can someone explain to me, using specifics, how a fighter like Adamek (who is a relatively mediocre heavyweight) could cause even a 40 year old Vitali Klitschko problems? I just don't see how it's possible. Adamek is too small, he has next to no power, he can't outjab Vitali, and he can't outbox him, and I think he's chinny as a HW. How can he win?

Well, here is what Adamek's people are thinking: Adamek uses the whole ring and moves a lot all around it. Adamek has practiced moving in and getting out against his heavyweight opponents while dancing around the ring for each round. He doesn't knock his heavyweight opponents down, but he throws more punches and lands more punches than they do on average each round. He'll try and make this a boring fight. He'll plan to box Vitali for 12 rounds and hope the giant loses a step in the middle to late rounds and then he can begin to win some of the rounds on points. I wouldn't be super surprised if he lost the fight in a 116-112 kind of manner.

I can see them thinking that if he runs all night he might survive to see the final bell. I can even see them thinking that he'll outland an old and quickly fading Vitali, but even if that's the case Vitali is going to land the more telling blows and control the center of the ring. It just don't see anything about Adamek that makes me think he can beat any of the big three at heavyweight. He'll, I'm not even sure he could beat Eddie Chambers.

i'll say one thing for Adamek though, his fights aren't boring. A fight with Vitali wouldn't be boring either. Even though the outcome is assured it will still be an entertaining fight. I actually think it will be similar to Hatton Alvarez, a one sided fight but a spirited effort and he won't stink the place out at all. He will look pretty good imo, he just wont come even close to winning.

[CFH]

Can someone explain to me, using specifics, how a fighter like Adamek (who is a relatively mediocre heavyweight) could cause even a 40 year old Vitali Klitschko problems? I just don't see how it's possible. Adamek is too small, he has next to no power, he can't outjab Vitali, and he can't outbox him, and I think he's chinny as a HW. How can he win?

Well, here is what Adamek's people are thinking: Adamek uses the whole ring and moves a lot all around it. Adamek has practiced moving in and getting out against his heavyweight opponents while dancing around the ring for each round. He doesn't knock his heavyweight opponents down, but he throws more punches and lands more punches than they do on average each round. He'll try and make this a boring fight. He'll plan to box Vitali for 12 rounds and hope the giant loses a step in the middle to late rounds and then he can begin to win some of the rounds on points. I wouldn't be super surprised if he lost the fight in a 116-112 kind of manner.

I can see them thinking that if he runs all night he might survive to see the final bell. I can even see them thinking that he'll outland an old and quickly fading Vitali, but even if that's the case Vitali is going to land the more telling blows and control the center of the ring. It just don't see anything about Adamek that makes me think he can beat any of the big three at heavyweight. He'll, I'm not even sure he could beat Eddie Chambers.

i'll say one thing for Adamek though, his fights aren't boring. A fight with Vitali wouldn't be boring either. Even though the outcome is assured it will still be an entertaining fight. I actually think it will be similar to Hatton Alvarez, a one sided fight but a spirited effort and he won't stink the place out at all. He will look pretty good imo, he just wont come even close to winning.

I didn't find the Grant fight very entertaining, and to be honest I haven't found most of Adamek's HW fights (those I've seen, obviously) to be all that entertaining. They're interesting and I'm curious to see how well he'll do, but it's not like I'm on the edge of my seat the whole time.

[Rantcatrat]

Can someone explain to me, using specifics, how a fighter like Adamek (who is a relatively mediocre heavyweight) could cause even a 40 year old Vitali Klitschko problems? I just don't see how it's possible. Adamek is too small, he has next to no power, he can't outjab Vitali, and he can't outbox him, and I think he's chinny as a HW. How can he win?

Well, here is what Adamek's people are thinking: Adamek uses the whole ring and moves a lot all around it. Adamek has practiced moving in and getting out against his heavyweight opponents while dancing around the ring for each round. He doesn't knock his heavyweight opponents down, but he throws more punches and lands more punches than they do on average each round. He'll try and make this a boring fight. He'll plan to box Vitali for 12 rounds and hope the giant loses a step in the middle to late rounds and then he can begin to win some of the rounds on points. I wouldn't be super surprised if he lost the fight in a 116-112 kind of manner.

I can see them thinking that if he runs all night he might survive to see the final bell. I can even see them thinking that he'll outland an old and quickly fading Vitali, but even if that's the case Vitali is going to land the more telling blows and control the center of the ring. It just don't see anything about Adamek that makes me think he can beat any of the big three at heavyweight. He'll, I'm not even sure he could beat Eddie Chambers.

Alright I completely disagree with you there. Vitali and Wlad may be too big of a bite to chew for Adamek. Who are you considering #3? If it is Povetkin, I'd give Adamek a solid shot to win. If it is Haye, same. Remember: Adamek did more at cruiserweight than Haye did, and honestly, basically just as much at heavyweight or at least close.

[JazMerkin]

Alright I completely disagree with you there. Vitali and Wlad may be too big of a bite to chew for Adamek. Who are you considering #3? If it is Povetkin, I'd give Adamek a solid shot to win. If it is Haye, same. Remember: Adamek did more at cruiserweight than Haye did, and honestly, basically just as much at heavyweight or at least close.

I would sig bet that Haye KOs him in 8 rounds or less were they to fight. Adamek's advantages against other HWs (speed, skill) wouldn't be there against Haye. All he is more durable, but he doesn't have Haye's athleticism, & if nothing else Haye has a special kind of power. Apparently Adam Booth was chomping at the bit to get Haye in with Adamek because of how easy a fight he thought it was & I definitely agree. Not cause Adamek is bad, it's just at HW, he's a terrible match-up for Haye. His people probably know that Vitali's age & lack of movement make him the best of the beltholders for Adamek. He still will struggle to win a round.

[Rantcatrat]

Alright I completely disagree with you there. Vitali and Wlad may be too big of a bite to chew for Adamek. Who are you considering #3? If it is Povetkin, I'd give Adamek a solid shot to win. If it is Haye, same. Remember: Adamek did more at cruiserweight than Haye did, and honestly, basically just as much at heavyweight or at least close.

I would sig bet that Haye KOs him in 8 rounds or less were they to fight. Adamek's advantages against other HWs (speed, skill) wouldn't be there against Haye. All he is more durable, but he doesn't have Haye's athleticism, & if nothing else Haye has a special kind of power. Apparently Adam Booth was chomping at the bit to get Haye in with Adamek because of how easy a fight he thought it was & I definitely agree. Not cause Adamek is bad, it's just at HW, he's a terrible match-up for Haye. His people probably know that Vitali's age & lack of movement make him the best of the beltholders for Adamek. He still will struggle to win a round.

Won't sigbet on that because Haye should be favored going into that fight. But, I don't believe the disparity in talent is as wide as you do. I also believe Adamek has done more with his career than Haye has. Haye picked the perfect heavyweights to fight so far just like Adamek has. Adamek would have beat Ruiz and Valuev too. To me, and I know a lot of people on this board disagree, but I believe at heavyweight, it is Wlad and Vitali, then the rest. That was my point in that last post. Povetkin, Haye, and Adamek are the next group, and then there's the Tony Thompson's etc.

[JazMerkin]

Alright I completely disagree with you there. Vitali and Wlad may be too big of a bite to chew for Adamek. Who are you considering #3? If it is Povetkin, I'd give Adamek a solid shot to win. If it is Haye, same. Remember: Adamek did more at cruiserweight than Haye did, and honestly, basically just as much at heavyweight or at least close.

I would sig bet that Haye KOs him in 8 rounds or less were they to fight. Adamek's advantages against other HWs (speed, skill) wouldn't be there against Haye. All he is more durable, but he doesn't have Haye's athleticism, & if nothing else Haye has a special kind of power. Apparently Adam Booth was chomping at the bit to get Haye in with Adamek because of how easy a fight he thought it was & I definitely agree. Not cause Adamek is bad, it's just at HW, he's a terrible match-up for Haye. His people probably know that Vitali's age & lack of movement make him the best of the beltholders for Adamek. He still will struggle to win a round.

Won't sigbet on that because Haye should be favored going into that fight. But, I don't believe the disparity in talent is as wide as you do. I also believe Adamek has done more with his career than Haye has. Haye picked the perfect heavyweights to fight so far just like Adamek has. Adamek would have beat Ruiz and Valuev too. To me, and I know a lot of people on this board disagree, but I believe at heavyweight, it is Wlad and Vitali, then the rest. That was my point in that last post. Povetkin, Haye, and Adamek are the next group, and then there's the Tony Thompson's etc.

I'd be tempted to agree with the part in bold, but the difference is that I feel Haye is just a weight-class bigger naturally. Adamek was a big LHW who became the best at CW. Haye was a big CW (also The Man at the weight) who has become a quality HW.

Like I said earlier, I feel Haye is quicker, stronger & the better boxer. Adamek is more durable & I reckon has a better chin, but I think Haye is all wrong for him. I also think the Klitschkos are definitely better, but the fact is I believe Haye 'could' (not would or is likely to) beat both. I don't think Adamek could beat either. Let's say that fight gets made, I'll sigbet that Haye has him out of there in 8. If Adamek wins or even lasts longer, then I lose

[Rantcatrat]

Alright I completely disagree with you there. Vitali and Wlad may be too big of a bite to chew for Adamek. Who are you considering #3? If it is Povetkin, I'd give Adamek a solid shot to win. If it is Haye, same. Remember: Adamek did more at cruiserweight than Haye did, and honestly, basically just as much at heavyweight or at least close.

I would sig bet that Haye KOs him in 8 rounds or less were they to fight. Adamek's advantages against other HWs (speed, skill) wouldn't be there against Haye. All he is more durable, but he doesn't have Haye's athleticism, & if nothing else Haye has a special kind of power. Apparently Adam Booth was chomping at the bit to get Haye in with Adamek because of how easy a fight he thought it was & I definitely agree. Not cause Adamek is bad, it's just at HW, he's a terrible match-up for Haye. His people probably know that Vitali's age & lack of movement make him the best of the beltholders for Adamek. He still will struggle to win a round.

Won't sigbet on that because Haye should be favored going into that fight. But, I don't believe the disparity in talent is as wide as you do. I also believe Adamek has done more with his career than Haye has. Haye picked the perfect heavyweights to fight so far just like Adamek has. Adamek would have beat Ruiz and Valuev too. To me, and I know a lot of people on this board disagree, but I believe at heavyweight, it is Wlad and Vitali, then the rest. That was my point in that last post. Povetkin, Haye, and Adamek are the next group, and then there's the Tony Thompson's etc.

I'd be tempted to agree with the part in bold, but the difference is that I feel Haye is just a weight-class bigger naturally. Adamek was a big LHW who became the best at CW. Haye was a big CW (also The Man at the weight) who has become a quality HW.

Like I said earlier, I feel Haye is quicker, stronger & the better boxer. Adamek is more durable & I reckon has a better chin, but I think Haye is all wrong for him. I also think the Klitschkos are definitely better, but the fact is I believe Haye 'could' (not would or is likely to) beat both. I don't think Adamek could beat either. Let's say that fight gets made, I'll sigbet that Haye has him out of there in 8. If Adamek wins or even lasts longer, then I lose

Alright. Let me think about it. A lot is possible in between the fight. If Haye is clobbered and demoralized by Wlad, we may never see him in a ring again; he has, lest we forget, claimed he is retiring soon. Same goes for Adamek.

One more thing about Adamek and Vitali. Isn't the fight planned to be at this new stadium in Warsaw? Maybe he'll take a few rounds on the cards as a result. Just sayin'.

How do you feel about Povetkin and Haye. See that is a match that I think is very even at least with Povetkin on a good day because Povetkin has a chin and Haye doesn't.

[CFH]

Can someone explain to me, using specifics, how a fighter like Adamek (who is a relatively mediocre heavyweight) could cause even a 40 year old Vitali Klitschko problems? I just don't see how it's possible. Adamek is too small, he has next to no power, he can't outjab Vitali, and he can't outbox him, and I think he's chinny as a HW. How can he win?

Well, here is what Adamek's people are thinking: Adamek uses the whole ring and moves a lot all around it. Adamek has practiced moving in and getting out against his heavyweight opponents while dancing around the ring for each round. He doesn't knock his heavyweight opponents down, but he throws more punches and lands more punches than they do on average each round. He'll try and make this a boring fight. He'll plan to box Vitali for 12 rounds and hope the giant loses a step in the middle to late rounds and then he can begin to win some of the rounds on points. I wouldn't be super surprised if he lost the fight in a 116-112 kind of manner.

I can see them thinking that if he runs all night he might survive to see the final bell. I can even see them thinking that he'll outland an old and quickly fading Vitali, but even if that's the case Vitali is going to land the more telling blows and control the center of the ring. It just don't see anything about Adamek that makes me think he can beat any of the big three at heavyweight. He'll, I'm not even sure he could beat Eddie Chambers.

Alright I completely disagree with you there. Vitali and Wlad may be too big of a bite to chew for Adamek. Who are you considering #3? If it is Povetkin, I'd give Adamek a solid shot to win. If it is Haye, same. Remember: Adamek did more at cruiserweight than Haye did, and honestly, basically just as much at heavyweight or at least close.

I was referring to Haye as the third guy. He might not have accomplished as much as Adamek, but - like Jaz says - his skillset neutralizes Adamek's advantages and he's a much better athlete. I don't think Adamek sees the final bell if they fight.