Berto's corner was nonexistent

[marbleheadmaui]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

You only get to hear partially what the corner is doing. Possibly the cameras listen in on a corner 4 times in the fight and a lot of the time it is not a complete audio. So how the hell can anyone make a judgment on what the corner is doing, when they are not there to know the complete situation.

You really think we're not getting the good rounds, just the bad? Really? I grant your point about seeing only fragments, but I see no reason to believe they aren't representative.

Well.. What I heard was his corner, was pleading with him to box. When he boxed and kept Ortiz at a distance with his jab, he did well and was able to sit down when he threw his right.

See I don't think that's technical or useful advice anymore than "let your hands go" is. Especially when you have a fighter with cement shoes like Berto has.

[fan johnny]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

You only get to hear partially what the corner is doing. Possibly the cameras listen in on a corner 4 times in the fight and a lot of the time it is not a complete audio. So how the hell can anyone make a judgment on what the corner is doing, when they are not there to know the complete situation.

You really think we're not getting the good rounds, just the bad? Really? I grant your point about seeing only fragments, but I see no reason to believe they aren't representative.

Well.. What I heard was his corner, was pleading with him to box. When he boxed and kept Ortiz at a distance with his jab, he did well and was able to sit down when he threw his right.

See I don't think that's technical or useful advice anymore than "let your hands go" is. Especially when you have a fighter with cement shoes like Berto has.

Look... it's like this. Berto obviously did not have all of his senses in tack during the fight. Most probably due to fact he was getting hit in the head repeatedly very hard starting from the first round.

I'm not saying his corner wasn't shit as far as corners go. I'm just saying people are making judgments about his corner without "totally" knowing what was going on. You say you what heard was pretty useless. I'm saying, what I saw and I heard wasn't at all like people put it in this thread. I heard his corner specifically telling him to box. i.e. stay on the outside and use your jab. His corner may or may not have communicated that concept to Berto effectively in the context of his fight plan. I have no way of knowing that because I wasn't there and I'm not Berto. I can only assume they had a plan and trained for the fight following a specific plan with possibly some alternatives. What I saw was, when Berto did box, he was keeping Ortiz on the outside and he was very effective. When Berto allowed Ortiz on the inside he was getting his ass kicked most of the time. It's was not a complected fight to follow because neither fighter made very many adjustments. Berto just didn't seem to be able follow instructions. I can't tell you if it was or wasn't the corners fault.

[marbleheadmaui]

I find this a rampant problem in the sport right now. Freddie Roach, Gabriel Sarmentio and Manny Stewart have calm corners and impart useful technical advice. But after that all you hear is "box him" or "throw more punches" type of advice delivered in a nervous pleading manner. Or you get th Berto everybody talk and nobody listen approach.

It's just awful.

You only get to hear partially what the corner is doing. Possibly the cameras listen in on a corner 4 times in the fight and a lot of the time it is not a complete audio. So how the hell can anyone make a judgment on what the corner is doing, when they are not there to know the complete situation.

You really think we're not getting the good rounds, just the bad? Really? I grant your point about seeing only fragments, but I see no reason to believe they aren't representative.

Well.. What I heard was his corner, was pleading with him to box. When he boxed and kept Ortiz at a distance with his jab, he did well and was able to sit down when he threw his right.

See I don't think that's technical or useful advice anymore than "let your hands go" is. Especially when you have a fighter with cement shoes like Berto has.

Look... it's like this. Berto obviously did not have all of his senses in tack during the fight. Most probably due to fact he was getting hit in the head repeatedly very hard starting from the first round.

I'm not saying his corner wasn't shit as far as corners go. I'm just saying people are making judgments about his corner without "totally" knowing what was going on. You say you what heard was pretty useless. I'm saying, what I saw and I heard wasn't at all like people put it in this thread. I heard his corner specifically telling him to box. i.e. stay on the outside and use your jab. His corner may or may not have communicated that concept to Berto effectively in the context of his fight plan. I have no way of knowing that because I wasn't there and I'm not Berto. I can only assume they had a plan and trained for the fight following a specific plan with possibly some alternatives. What I saw was, when Berto did box, he was keeping Ortiz on the outside and he was very effective. When Berto allowed Ortiz on the inside he was getting his ass kicked most of the time. It's was not a complected fight to follow because neither fighter made very many adjustments. Berto just didn't seem to be able follow instructions. I can't tell you if it was or wasn't the corners fault.

Nice post.

[johnsebastianmiran]

I would say that most of the relies are on the money and Berto's trainers haven't taught him a thing because even though he fought back and fought back hard, he had no idea how to follow through and between rounds the corner was so uninspiring.