ha well them too. I'm not sure though, but I'd imagine for a promoter who snaps up a young Olympian say at the beginning of his career he probably loses money initially and won't see a return on his investment until he gets to world level and starts making some serious money.
I'm sure Warren has done well out of Khan and De Gale from fairly on, but the talented fighters from whom a lot is expected but don't have a massive appeal instantly probably don't generate much cash until they get to the belts.
Take the Columbians for instance. Landra, Rigondeaux, Solis et al. They probably haven't made a ton of cash for their promoters yet, but are seen as long term investments. If they never reach the big time, the promoters probably cut a loss, so of course they are going to try and make sure they market them right.
Ultimately we the fans just want the best fights, the interests of the boxers and promoters are of little concern to us. Well they want to earn, it's their business and livlihoods and their interests come first for them.
The UFC is good for everybody fights everybody matchups, but then that organisation controls ever fighter so whoever wins or loses is no risk to them.
Look when so called prospects are being spoon fed to a title shot, there is something wrong and it’s systemic. Alvarez is now talking about fighting Mayorga after Rhodes. Seriously I hope Rhodes throttles him and until recently I was a fan of Alvarez.
If fighters want to try to win like Paul McCloskey, then more power to them. They are neither going to win fans, or, when they meet a guy with more determination than skill; He will beat them senseless.
Yes, in fact a fighter who goes out swinging is a fighter worth watching. I would not like to have to give up on my fighter after the 5th round of a 12 round fight if I didn't think he could put a guy on the seat of his pants.
Well how many Sultan Ibragamov fans out there? Yes, I think fighters have the air of invincibility burst at times after fights. But, I look to see how a fighter could improve, or even IF they can improve. Kassim Ouma will never be able to KO a world class fighter, and he lacks the speed and power to cripple a division, but he makes for interesting fights. And he is tenacious.
Trust me, I am not a fanboy when it comes to records. I like a good scrap as much as the next guy. Point here is, prospects need to be in real fights before too long, and I think records are overhyped. I like a record like Margarito's or Martinez'... a little hard to actually see what is going on in there. Makes for interesting betting.
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I think you meant Cubans not Columbians. I have Cuban friends and they would be offended.. lol
True true about UFC.. They really can recycle one fighter as many times as they want.
Matt Hughes
Chuck Liddel
Tito Ortiz
These guys are all so marketable.. But when is the last time you look at one of these aging fighters records? And TKO losses... It's like a bunch of Ricardo Mayorgas running around in there or worse!
"Floyd needs to inject Xylocaine into his balls to gain the courage to fight Pacquiao."
- and I quote from some random guy on the internet
....those claiming being unbeaten means nothing have probably been beaten themselves. Your goal is to win. There's nothing wrong with loosing, shit for some it helps thier career but saying perfection is meaningless is silly. For example look how quick fans are to call a guy garbage for one or two losses. You think a loss doesn't affect you paychecks or marketing exposure ? To us real fans it may not mean squat but in the big picture fuck yea it matters. Don't be so quick to say and undefeated fighter hasn't fought anyone. Take floyd if that was true that means marquez, hatton, mosley (who even pac and his guys are trying to convince you is viable) de la hoya etc.....are all garbage. And pac has gotten credit for beating most of the same people floyd has. Some even being drained and beaten before hand by him.
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So let me get this straight. That means Swen Ottke was great? Terry Marsh was great? REALLY? Chris John is great? Omar Narvaez is great? That's really what you want to hang your hat on?
Let's try it this way. What is more impressive. Chris John having done what's he's done or Carlos Ortiz doing the following. In eight consecutive fights he fought HOFers seven times. In those eight fights he went 6-1-1.
Saying a record matters without reference to who someone fought (and didn't fight) is silly.
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Boxing fans learn to look behind the numbers. I think thats whats so great about forums in that you can probally name any fighter past or present and a certain fight can be pointed to as hotly disputed and a iffy call for the man with the "0". This is good to keep in mind when you say if you don't have a lose then your not tested etc etc. The judges may have mucked it up and the ref made terrible calls but keeping the circumstances 'in the know' is essential. This always gets me when I here some commentator run on about "so and so has never been hurt" etc. How the hell do you know, like you watched every single bout, round and so on when super bad was rising up in the ranks...off YOUR network and off the air. Way to much generalization.
The numbers ultimately can be superficial, a tag line and selling point of sorts. Certainly points at accomplishments and merits respect but its window dressing more and more. You see it with an announcer for example when a established 'super star' comes back from initial lose. Buffer does it all the time..." And in the red corner with only one disputed loss" or "One loss since revenged" etc etc. Just introduce the man, ya know. No foot notes necessary. Thats done for the arm chair fans and not so much 'hard core' types. Shit for all we know some of these divas have it inked in the contract Physically losing a fight can have a tax. Mentally its much bigger to come back from the more you are stroked and fawned over. Think this is where you gain the learning. Being humbled on a public stage can reveal much and a persons character...be it in the professional ring or getting your ass kicked in the school yard...so I've heard.
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