Who does Pac fight next?

[Addicted to Boxing]

Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

[Rantcatrat]

Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

Explain why you think JMM isn't effective at 140 or 147. How many times has he fought above 145? Once. Who was it against? PBF. In the last 5 years, tell me a fighter that DID look effective against PBF. Not being effective against PBF doesn't equate to not being to handle fighting at 147. It is premature to say that Marquez isn't effective above 135. Let's see him fight one fight at 140 or 147 before we jump to conclusions. Personally, I believe that Marquez is a bit overrated generally, but I'm not going to say that he can't be effective above 135...at least not yet. The truth is that at this point in their careers, when we've seen Pacquiao improve tremendously in the last three years, and seen Marquez stagnate during that same time, Pacquiao is just on another level at this point regardless of weight.

[Addicted to Boxing]

Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

Explain why you think JMM isn't effective at 140 or 147. How many times has he fought above 145? Once. Who was it against? PBF. In the last 5 years, tell me a fighter that DID look effective against PBF. Not being effective against PBF doesn't equate to not being to handle fighting at 147. It is premature to say that Marquez isn't effective above 135. Let's see him fight one fight at 140 or 147 before we jump to conclusions. Personally, I believe that Marquez is a bit overrated generally, but I'm not going to say that he can't be effective above 135...at least not yet. The truth is that at this point in their careers, when we've seen Pacquiao improve tremendously in the last three years, and seen Marquez stagnate during that same time, Pacquiao is just on another level at this point regardless of weight.

He even looked slow in recent wins against Michael Katsidis (dropped), Juan Diaz at 135 and got clocked repeatedly. So now he should jump up to 147 and eat Pac's recipe for doom ? Absurd

[Rantcatrat]

Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

Explain why you think JMM isn't effective at 140 or 147. How many times has he fought above 145? Once. Who was it against? PBF. In the last 5 years, tell me a fighter that DID look effective against PBF. Not being effective against PBF doesn't equate to not being to handle fighting at 147. It is premature to say that Marquez isn't effective above 135. Let's see him fight one fight at 140 or 147 before we jump to conclusions. Personally, I believe that Marquez is a bit overrated generally, but I'm not going to say that he can't be effective above 135...at least not yet. The truth is that at this point in their careers, when we've seen Pacquiao improve tremendously in the last three years, and seen Marquez stagnate during that same time, Pacquiao is just on another level at this point regardless of weight.

He even looked slow in recent wins against Michael Katsidis (dropped), Juan Diaz at 135 and got clocked repeatedly. So now he should jump up to 147 and eat Pac's recipe for doom ? Absurd

So, we agree, he just doesn't have it like he used to. It's not a weight class issue - it's the fact that at this point in time, Pacquiao is just on a different level than he is.

[Pavlik]

ortiz young fast power prime.

[Addicted to Boxing]

Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

Explain why you think JMM isn't effective at 140 or 147. How many times has he fought above 145? Once. Who was it against? PBF. In the last 5 years, tell me a fighter that DID look effective against PBF. Not being effective against PBF doesn't equate to not being to handle fighting at 147. It is premature to say that Marquez isn't effective above 135. Let's see him fight one fight at 140 or 147 before we jump to conclusions. Personally, I believe that Marquez is a bit overrated generally, but I'm not going to say that he can't be effective above 135...at least not yet. The truth is that at this point in their careers, when we've seen Pacquiao improve tremendously in the last three years, and seen Marquez stagnate during that same time, Pacquiao is just on another level at this point regardless of weight.

He even looked slow in recent wins against Michael Katsidis (dropped), Juan Diaz at 135 and got clocked repeatedly. So now he should jump up to 147 and eat Pac's recipe for doom ? Absurd

So, we agree, he just doesn't have it like he used to. It's not a weight class issue - it's the fact that at this point in time, Pacquiao is just on a different level than he is.

No, only that JMM genetically did not move above 130 as pharmaceutically as PAC. Fight should be at 135 but PAC will have it at 147. Big advantage period but more so with every increase in weight class. Plus JMM I believe has aged more.

[Majesty]

As much as I'd love for Pacquiao to fight JMM a third time. I can't see it happening unless it's at 147 or around that. JMM is starting to slow down a bit, he struggles early but adapts and dominates late, but he is starting to slow down just a little bit. I think he would still cause Pacquiao problems at 135, or heck even maybe at 140. But at 147 I think Marquez at his age right now would look slow, and his reflexes wouldn't be as responsive. Pacquiao can fight at 147 and 140, this is a given and he can fight comfortably at either weight. But I don't see him fighting Marquez at any weight that isn't 147.

So if we were looking at Welterweights Pacquiao would fight next, assuming it isn't PBF. He might fight Ortiz next. Maidana would be a pointless fight in which we'd hope for a slugfest but wouldn't really prove anything we don't already know. After Mosley there really isn't too many 147 pounders that are shot enough to make it a catch weight fight. So Im getting the feeling that Pacquiao will probably fight someone in some kind of catch weight 145 fight against a 140 pound title holder. And the guy out there most likely to fold due to Pacquiao's style, would be Zab Judah. I mean think about it, Pacquiao is out to fight Mayweathers last opponents and 'beat them' better than he did, Zab Judah just won a 140 pound title whatever that means nowadays, and people felt Zab was Mayweathers toughest fight at 147, so if Pacquiao fights and beats him next, then that just adds to it. That plus Judah is shown to fold under pressure, which is what Pacquiao does.

So my guess is the next guy Pacquiao fights will probably be Zab Judah. The story is there, the suspect chin is there, the tendency to fold is there, and the title is there. So that would be the best next fight for Pacquiao.

Pacquiao will be retired anyway by the time this kid turns professional anyway

[captainanddew]

Marquez....that fight just has to happen.

I don't see any other interesting match ups for him....Zab? Maidana? Berto? I just am not up for anything other than Pac-Floyd or Pac-JMM

JMM at 140 or 147 ? 147 is a mismatch in favor of Pac.

Not if Marquez is smart. The weight is not what is going to make it a mismatch. It is the age and time since the last fight. marquez has declined since their last fight while Pac has improved (although he was a bit sloppy looking last night with the feet and didn't use the right hand enough).

Marquez has to be smart. Don't be any bigger than when he fights at 135. He walks into the ring around 144 in those fights.

Pac weighed in at 145. But he isn't gaining much weight before going into the ring. No unofficial scale last night, but I don't believe he weighed but 148 or 149 when he fought Margacheato.

So Marquez, be as close to normal and come into the ring at 144. Pac comes into the ring that night at 149.

Marquez gives up 4-5 pounds in weight in the ring. That is less pounds than Berto gave up to Ortiz when they fought. When they weighed in, Berto was 145, Ortiz was 147. But when they got in the ring, Berto was 155 and Ortiz was 161. 6 pounds difference.

Marquez tried to get bigger when he faced Floyd. He gained 4-5 pounds. He weighed in 142. He weighed 148 in the ring (only 4 pounds more than his lightweight fights). But those 4 pounds made him look slow as hell.

So Marquez just needs to come in normal weight, let Pac be normal weight, give up 4-5 pounds in the ring (and that size difference will be less than the size difference guys see in quite a few fights at welterweight).

[captainanddew]

so I looked it up. Pac weighed 148 vs Margarito when he got in the ring.
Marquez weighed 145 in the ring against Katsidis.

[captainanddew]

so I looked it up. Pac weighed 148 vs Margarito when he got in the ring.
Marquez weighed 145 in the ring against Katsidis.

when they fought last time, Pac weighed 145 in the ring. Marquez weighed 141 in the ring.

So since they last met, Pac's in the ring weight has gone up 3-4 pounds. Marquez's in the ring weight has gone up 3-4 pounds.

Weight isn't the issue, rather it is the decline of Marquez and the improvement of Pac.

[MMASUX]

Besides Myaweather, i would like to see JMM or Ortiz. I think both would make a great fight, but with Ortiz being GB and JMM possibly being GB we will have to see if it happens.

[marbleheadmaui]

so I looked it up. Pac weighed 148 vs Margarito when he got in the ring.
Marquez weighed 145 in the ring against Katsidis.

when they fought last time, Pac weighed 145 in the ring. Marquez weighed 141 in the ring.

So since they last met, Pac's in the ring weight has gone up 3-4 pounds. Marquez's in the ring weight has gone up 3-4 pounds.

Weight isn't the issue, rather it is the decline of Marquez and the improvement of Pac.

[scratching chin]

Pretty hard to argue with the last coupla posts I guess

[captainanddew]

addicted:

When Marquez fought FLoyd he weighed in at 142. In the ring he weighed 148. He was happy to get on HBO's unofficial scale. He did look soft at that 148.

Against Katsidis he weighed 145 in the ring and didn't look soft.

I believe Marquez's team tried specifically to get him to gain weight against Floyd and he just ended up bloated. He has a 144-145 pound body in prime condition in the ring.

[:::PSL:::]

Fukk Floyd. He'll never fight Pac.

Pac-JMM at 140.

Burrring it!