This is dedicated to ALL of you who said SSM was a worthy opponent...

[Snakey]

I got four words for you mick:

WAR JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ !!!!!

[Gandalf]

It was a horrible fight all along. I hated it, but had to support the underdog. It doesn't mean that I ever really thought he had a chance though. In fact Mosley's performance simply magnified how much he has slipped and how Manny struggles with anyone that attempts to use a little movement and to the side on him. Marquez would pounce on those oppenings and would throw in combination. Mosley threw 7 right hands all night.

It is quite obvious that Marquez would be a worthier opponent. And yes at 140. Pac takes off a couple of pounds and Marquez moves up an entire division. There is no good reason why Manny cannot make that one sacrifice.

[miron_lang]

There is no good reason why Manny cannot make that one sacrifice.

Yeah. Make a sacrifice for the benefit of your opponent I hope Martinez can do the same.


Seriously. 140?? If Pac is going for pure legacy here. he should go for 135 for Juan's Lineal Title. 140 doesnt make sense. Its either 147 for Pac Welter title or Juan's Lineal Lightweight title.

[Gandalf]

There is no good reason why Manny cannot make that one sacrifice.

Yeah. Make a sacrifice for the benefit of your opponent I hope Martinez can do the same.


Seriously. 140?? If Pac is going for pure legacy here. he should go for 135 for Juan's Lineal Title. 140 doesnt make sense. Its either 147 for Pac Welter title or Juan's Lineal Lightweight title.

It makes perfect sense. One man goes up and the other comes down, then the grudge match is on. It is daft to expect Manny to boil down to a weight he might not now be able to perform at and it is equally daft to ask Marquez to jump two divisions again in his mid to late 30's.

If Pac wants to fight Martinez then go for it. I've been reading that Martinez might well come back to 154 because of the lack of big fights at MW. Equal fight as well. One goes up and the other comes down.

[miron_lang]

Pac takes off a couple of pounds and Marquez moves up an entire division.

147 down to 140 is not an entire division? Mosley was 147 last night

It makes perfect sense. One man goes up and the other comes down, then the grudge match is on. It is daft to expect Manny to boil down to a weight he might not now be able to perform at and it is equally daft to ask Marquez to jump two divisions again in his mid to late 30's.

If Pac wants to fight Martinez then go for it. I've been reading that Martinez might well come back to 154 because of the lack of big fights at MW. Equal fight as well. One goes up and the other comes down.

It makes perfect sense to you

By going down it means Pac is going for legacy. Marquez is the Lineal Lightweight champion of the WORLD. they should fight at 135 if Pac is going for Legacy. if not depend his belt at 147. its very simple really.

[Gandalf]

Pac takes off a couple of pounds and Marquez moves up an entire division.

147 down to 140 is not an entire division? Mosley was 147 last night

It makes perfect sense. One man goes up and the other comes down, then the grudge match is on. It is daft to expect Manny to boil down to a weight he might not now be able to perform at and it is equally daft to ask Marquez to jump two divisions again in his mid to late 30's.

If Pac wants to fight Martinez then go for it. I've been reading that Martinez might well come back to 154 because of the lack of big fights at MW. Equal fight as well. One goes up and the other comes down.

It makes perfect sense to you

By going down it means Pac is going for legacy. Marquez is the Lineal Lightweight champion of the WORLD. they should fight at 135 if Pac is going for Legacy. if not depend his belt at 147. its very simple really.

But Pac isn't even weighing in at 147. It really is less than a division for him.

As for this legacy talk, I don't know what you are talking about. Mosley was for legacy? Margarito? Diaz? He picks and chooses his opponents for money or paper trinkets, on that basis a Marquez fight at 140 makes complete sense. To get the man who many think beat him twice. Otherwise, who is he going to fight? Andre Berto?

[miron_lang]

As for this legacy talk, I don't know what you are talking about. Mosley was for legacy? Margarito? Diaz? He picks and chooses his opponents for money or paper trinkets, on that basis a Marquez fight at 140 makes complete sense. To get the man who many think beat him twice. Otherwise, who is he going to fight? Andre Berto?

Professor Miles is not reading the entire post.

By going down it means Pac is going for legacy.

My point is. If Pac agrees to go down it means he's going for Legacy. 140 doesnt make sense it should be 135 for Juan's Title. Why are you arguing about 135? that is Marquez's current weight right? he has zero fight at 140. so what's the problem with Lightweight?

[Gandalf]

As for this legacy talk, I don't know what you are talking about. Mosley was for legacy? Margarito? Diaz? He picks and chooses his opponents for money or paper trinkets, on that basis a Marquez fight at 140 makes complete sense. To get the man who many think beat him twice. Otherwise, who is he going to fight? Andre Berto?

Professor Miles is not reading the entire post.

By going down it means Pac is going for legacy.

My point is. If Pac agrees to go down it means he's going for Legacy. 140 doesnt make sense it should be 135 for Juan's Title. Why are you arguing about 135? that is Marquez's current weight right? he has zero fight at 140. so what's the problem with Lightweight?

No, I understand quite clearly, but even I, as much as I want the advantages to be in favour of Marquez, cannot imagine Manny ever agreeing to fight him at 135. If it were a possibility I would be all for it, but I have a hard time seeing Manny give up two weight classes just to give Marquez every advantage. I just think the only realistic chance of the fight getting made is at 140 and even though it wouldn't be for a belt, I don't think that matters. The names alone will sell the fight. Manny is at the stage now where belts don't matter, but he really does need credible opponents.

[Ant Live]

As for this legacy talk, I don't know what you are talking about. Mosley was for legacy? Margarito? Diaz? He picks and chooses his opponents for money or paper trinkets, on that basis a Marquez fight at 140 makes complete sense. To get the man who many think beat him twice. Otherwise, who is he going to fight? Andre Berto?

Professor Miles is not reading the entire post.

By going down it means Pac is going for legacy.

My point is. If Pac agrees to go down it means he's going for Legacy. 140 doesnt make sense it should be 135 for Juan's Title. Why are you arguing about 135? that is Marquez's current weight right? he has zero fight at 140. so what's the problem with Lightweight?

No, I understand quite clearly, but even I, as much as I want the advantages to be in favour of Marquez, cannot imagine Manny ever agreeing to fight him at 135. If it were a possibility I would be all for it, but I have a hard time seeing Manny give up two weight classes just to give Marquez every advantage. I just think the only realistic chance of the fight getting made is at 140 and even though it wouldn't be for a belt, I don't think that matters. The names alone will sell the fight. Manny is at the stage now where belts don't matter, but he really does need credible opponents.

The answer is . . .
Pacman vs Bradley(at 140 for Bradley's title)
JMM vs Judah(at 140 for Judah's title)