Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

[MMASUX]

While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.

[Majesty]

While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.

Pacquiao fans say that Pacquiao is so impressive for fighting bigger people at 147 pounds and claiming to the heavens that he's not a natural 147 pounder so it's why it impresses them. But when he is asked to move down to 140 it's too big a step for him to have to take. Either he is a Welterweight or he isn't. If he isn't a natural welterweight then he can make 140, if he is, then he can't, but you can't have it both ways by saying "He is so impressive for beating 147 pounders when that isn't his natural weight...but he isn't small enough for 140." Not big enough for 147 but not small enough for 140 is sort of meh.

[Addicted to Boxing]

While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.

So JMM can come in with less power and everythig is hunk-a-dory? So Pac can also stop being a pussy and not make opponents fight at designated catch weights, I will shut up if Pac fights Martinez with the same logic you are using in this post. I kind of agree with you but it seems to not apply when Pac is fighting the bigger man...... Why is that ?

[MMASUX]

While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.

So JMM can come in with less power and everythig is hunk-a-dory? So Pac can also stop being a pussy and not make opponents fight at designated catch weights, I will shut up if Pac fights Martinez with the same logic you are using in this post. I kind of agree with you but it seems to not apply when Pac is fighting the bigger man...... Why is that ?

I agree Pac is not a legit WW, he's coming in around 145 for his fights, so making 140 shouldn't be a problem. I just don't see him agreeing to come in at anything lower than 140, not going to happen. 140 would be ideal, but it actually happening is another. JMM is one of my favorite fighters and i hope he gets the third fight with Pac, i'm hoping it's not at 147 cause then it would be another BS bloated/weight drained Pac opponent. I don't agree with it, i'm just calling it how i see it playing out.

[Gandalf]

Shame on Pac and his team if true, haven't they tried to screw the public enough with recent matchups? Cheato who didn't deserve another big fight, old man Mosley and now a way bloated Marquez?

Fight him at 140 you graceless clowns. He goes up and you go down. Stop making a mockery of the sport. Anything to steal massive advantages over an opponent who knows how to outbox you but is older and has no track record above 135.

[generalbulldog]

Shame on Pac and his team if true, haven't they tried to screw the public enough with recent matchups? Cheato who didn't deserve another big fight, old man Mosley and now a way bloated Marquez?

Fight him at 140 you graceless clowns. He goes up and you go down. Stop making a mockery of the sport. Anything to steal massive advantages over an opponent who knows how to outbox you but is older and has no track record above 135.

I thought you were against catchweights? So shouldn't JMM challenge Pac at the full WW limit? I remember you being critical of Pac fighting Cotto at 145, saying Pac shouldn't be weight draining fighters. So shouldn't the same standard be held for JMM on not trying to weight drain Pac?

[Gandalf]

Shame on Pac and his team if true, haven't they tried to screw the public enough with recent matchups? Cheato who didn't deserve another big fight, old man Mosley and now a way bloated Marquez?

Fight him at 140 you graceless clowns. He goes up and you go down. Stop making a mockery of the sport. Anything to steal massive advantages over an opponent who knows how to outbox you but is older and has no track record above 135.

I thought you were against catchweights? So shouldn't JMM challenge Pac at the full WW limit? I remember you being critical of Pac fighting Cotto at 145, saying Pac shouldn't be weight draining fighters. So shouldn't the same standard be held for JMM on not trying to weight drain Pac?

140 is a legitimate weight class.

Manny is not a full WW as evidenced by his weigh ins and what his team says and Marquez is a much smaller LW. Are you telling me that you think Manny would be weight drained coming in at 140? Well, what about it also seeing Marquez fight an entire division outside his current division?

It isn't fair to have Manny come down to 135 and it isn't fair to expect Marquez to become a fully fledged WW.

140 makes complete sense.

[brucelee]

JMM fought Floyd at 147 so there should be no problem if he fights Pac at 145.

145 is Pac's ideal weight and no sensible person would go back to 140 when his best weight is at 145 or at 147.

JMM's the challenger and Pac's the Champ.

Pac's the bigger draw and Pac has won his last fight against JMM (at least officially and regardless of how you felt about that fight).

So who do you think should have a say in this fight?

Of course by logic, it should be Pac.

If Marquez really wants to fight Pac, he should do it just like how Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 when he hasn't tested the division yet.

[generalbulldog]

Shame on Pac and his team if true, haven't they tried to screw the public enough with recent matchups? Cheato who didn't deserve another big fight, old man Mosley and now a way bloated Marquez?

Fight him at 140 you graceless clowns. He goes up and you go down. Stop making a mockery of the sport. Anything to steal massive advantages over an opponent who knows how to outbox you but is older and has no track record above 135.

I thought you were against catchweights? So shouldn't JMM challenge Pac at the full WW limit? I remember you being critical of Pac fighting Cotto at 145, saying Pac shouldn't be weight draining fighters. So shouldn't the same standard be held for JMM on not trying to weight drain Pac?

140 is a legitimate weight class.

Manny is not a full WW as evidenced by his weigh ins and what his team says and Marquez is a much smaller LW. Are you telling me that you think Manny would be weight drained coming in at 140? Well, what about it also seeing Marquez fight an entire division outside his current division?

It isn't fair to have Manny come down to 135 and it isn't fair to expect Marquez to become a fully fledged WW.

140 makes complete sense.

No, all I'm saying is that be consistent. Didn't you say that if a fighter wants to challenge another fighter do it at their best and no catch weights right? Didn't you say that Pacquiao shouldn't have weight drain Oscar at 147 or any other fighter? And isn't 147 the full welterweight limit? So by your logic shouldn't JMM not drag Pac down and fight him at his optimum best with no catchweights?

[captainanddew]

While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.

why is the weight limit a disadvantage

Pac vs Marquez II- weights of both guys when they got in the ring-March 2008
145 141

Pac vs Margarito- November 2010
148

Marquez vs Katsidis-November 2010
145

where is the weight disadvantage. When they were having to make 130 for the weigh in, Pac came into the ring 4 pounds heavier than Marquez (145 to 141). Late last year in separate fights, Pac weighed 148 in the ring, 3 pounds more than the 145 Marquez weighed in the ring against katsidis.

Where is the weight disadvantage


realize Pac weighs in at 144 or 145 for his fights and then only weighs about 148 in the ring.

Brandon Rios-who weighs in at 135, weighs more in the damn ring during his fight than Pac does!!!

! Tim Bradley, Devon Alexander, Lucas Matthyse, Amir Kahn, -the guys at 140, weigh more in the ring during their fights than Pac does!!!!

[rjj tszyu]

While 145 would be a disadvantage for JMM, you can't really expect Pac to come down to 135 or 140. Jmm also doesn't have to come in at 145 either, if he comes in at 140 i think he will be ok.

Personally I think Pac could make 135. He doesn't really go above 145 in weight even after the weigh in. If he was cutting weight I don't think 135 would hurt him much at all. 140 IMO would be the ideal place for Pac to be at his best right now.

[rjj tszyu]

And for the record I think Marquez has a better chance than anyone else who has fought Pac recently even out of his comfort zone. I repeat Pac CANNOT handle good counter punchers, it's a glaring weakness and JMM is the second best counter puncher in the world, hence the reason Arum had to pay the judges off twice to rob JMM in the past.

[CutMeMick]

I'm not gonna go back and forth with all this weight bullshit...

The fight is on and Nov. 5th can't come soon enough for me.
I'll let JMM do the talking in the ring for me.

Juan como me dijiste una vez en Las Vegas despues de tu pelea contro Victor Polo.
Peleo con el corazon y nunca pierdo la fe, porque la virgencita siempre esta con migo.

Guerra Juan Manuel! Hasta al final...

[Kev]

I'm not gonna go back and forth with all this weight bullshit...

The fight is on and Nov. 5th can't come soon enough for me.
I'll let JMM do the talking in the ring for me.

Juan como me dijiste una vez en Las Vegas despues de tu pelea contro Victor Polo.
Peleo con el corazon y nunca pierdo la fe, porque la virgencita siempre esta con migo.

Guerra Juan Manuel! Hasta al final...

For those of us who speak and believe English should be the only language of the forum...

John and I once said in Las Vegas after your fight against Victor Polo.
I fight with heart and never lose faith, because the virgin is always with me.

Juan Manuel Guerra! Until the end ...

[ElTerribleMorales]

I'm not gonna go back and forth with all this weight bullshit...

The fight is on and Nov. 5th can't come soon enough for me.
I'll let JMM do the talking in the ring for me.

Juan como me dijiste una vez en Las Vegas despues de tu pelea contro Victor Polo.
Peleo con el corazon y nunca pierdo la fe, porque la virgencita siempre esta con migo.

Guerra Juan Manuel! Hasta al final...

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