Pacman vs JMM 11/5 2011 at.........145

[Gandalf]

Shame on Pac and his team if true, haven't they tried to screw the public enough with recent matchups? Cheato who didn't deserve another big fight, old man Mosley and now a way bloated Marquez?

Fight him at 140 you graceless clowns. He goes up and you go down. Stop making a mockery of the sport. Anything to steal massive advantages over an opponent who knows how to outbox you but is older and has no track record above 135.

I thought you were against catchweights? So shouldn't JMM challenge Pac at the full WW limit? I remember you being critical of Pac fighting Cotto at 145, saying Pac shouldn't be weight draining fighters. So shouldn't the same standard be held for JMM on not trying to weight drain Pac?

140 is a legitimate weight class.

Manny is not a full WW as evidenced by his weigh ins and what his team says and Marquez is a much smaller LW. Are you telling me that you think Manny would be weight drained coming in at 140? Well, what about it also seeing Marquez fight an entire division outside his current division?

It isn't fair to have Manny come down to 135 and it isn't fair to expect Marquez to become a fully fledged WW.

140 makes complete sense.

[brucelee]

JMM fought Floyd at 147 so there should be no problem if he fights Pac at 145.

145 is Pac's ideal weight and no sensible person would go back to 140 when his best weight is at 145 or at 147.

JMM's the challenger and Pac's the Champ.

Pac's the bigger draw and Pac has won his last fight against JMM (at least officially and regardless of how you felt about that fight).

So who do you think should have a say in this fight?

Of course by logic, it should be Pac.

If Marquez really wants to fight Pac, he should do it just like how Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 when he hasn't tested the division yet.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

JMM fought Floyd at 147 so there should be no problem if he fights Pac at 145.

145 is Pac's ideal weight and no sensible person would go back to 140 when his best weight is at 145 or at 147.

JMM's the challenger and Pac's the Champ.

Pac's the bigger draw and Pac has won his last fight against JMM (at least officially and regardless of how you felt about that fight).

So who do you think should have a say in this fight?

Of course by logic, it should be Pac.

If Marquez really wants to fight Pac, he should do it just like how Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 when he hasn't tested the division yet.

Oh right so when Cotto defended his belt at 145 for Pacquiao's sake, that was part of the same logic was it?

Personally I'd rather this fight not happen at all.

[brucelee]

JMM fought Floyd at 147 so there should be no problem if he fights Pac at 145.

145 is Pac's ideal weight and no sensible person would go back to 140 when his best weight is at 145 or at 147.

JMM's the challenger and Pac's the Champ.

Pac's the bigger draw and Pac has won his last fight against JMM (at least officially and regardless of how you felt about that fight).

So who do you think should have a say in this fight?

Of course by logic, it should be Pac.

If Marquez really wants to fight Pac, he should do it just like how Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 when he hasn't tested the division yet.

Oh right so when Cotto defended his belt at 145 for Pacquiao's sake, that was part of the same logic was it?

Personally I'd rather this fight not happen at all.

Could be...

Pac's the bigger draw than Cotto.

Cotto wanted to fight Pac more.

Pac does not need Cotto that time. Besides, Cotto was the biggest risk Pac had during that time. And indeed Cotto proved to be too strong for Pac. Remember what happened to Pac after that fight?

[KKisser]

imo, 144lbs should be the highest this fight should be made if its going to be at a catchweight. it's the same weight floyd-jmm agreed to when they fought although floyd didn't bother making weight. the lower the weight the more interest this fight is going to generate with the thinking that marquez will be more competitive. i would love to see this fight at 140lbs coz i remeber roach saying manny can still comfortably make the jr. welterweight limit. i don't know though if it's going to be for manny's welterweight belt then it would look ridiculous if will be at any weight lower than 142lbs.

[KKisser]

JMM fought Floyd at 147 so there should be no problem if he fights Pac at 145.

145 is Pac's ideal weight and no sensible person would go back to 140 when his best weight is at 145 or at 147.

JMM's the challenger and Pac's the Champ.

Pac's the bigger draw and Pac has won his last fight against JMM (at least officially and regardless of how you felt about that fight).

So who do you think should have a say in this fight?

Of course by logic, it should be Pac.

If Marquez really wants to fight Pac, he should do it just like how Pac fought De La Hoya at 147 when he hasn't tested the division yet.

bruce, though it's true manny has the stature to demand what weight they should fight at, it is to their best interest financial-wise and legacy-wise to give in to a catchweight, and the lower the better, just as long as it will not compromise manny's health. the more the fans would perceived this fight to be competitive the more interest it would generate and the better it will sell. and in the game of one-upmanship, it would put one over floyd again who couldn't even keep the catchweight against marquez.

[ElTerribleMorales]

funny how now it's not fair to Pacquiao if he must drop in weight to face a "smaller" guy, yet it's fine for every other fighter to do it for him (Cotto at 145, Margarito 150, asking Martinez to come down to 147 when he can't even make 154 anymore), oh but i forgot those cases are always "in the interest of fairness" or so that Pacquiao wont lose his "advantage", go down to at least 140 you fucking snob and give the guys that has given you hell twice (arguably beat you twice) a fair fight, he's more deserving than anybody else you've fought, as for bruceleroy's bullshit about Cotto wanting Manny more, that BS Manny asked Arum for Cotto right in MSG not even 5 minutes after Cotto beat Clottey

[Kev]

76]funny how now it's not fair to Pacquiao if he must drop in weight to face a "smaller" guy, yet it's fine for every other fighter to do it for him (Cotto at 145[/B], Margarito 150, asking Martinez to come down to 147 when he can't even make 154 anymore), oh but i forgot those cases are always "in the interest of fairness" or so that Pacquiao wont lose his "advantage", go down to at least 140 you fucking snob and give the guys that has given you hell twice (arguably beat you twice) a fair fight, he's more deserving than anybody else you've fought, as for bruceleroy's bullshit about Cotto wanting Manny more, that BS Manny asked Arum for Cotto right in MSG not even 5 minutes after Cotto beat Clottey

Manny is agreeing 145


Seriously you are all a bunch of whiny bastards. Maybe Manny should have one arm tied behind his back or automatically forfeit the fight if it goes to decision?

You all moan like fuck how he weight drained guys by forcing them to drop weight and yet when he himself agrees to cut the same amount of his opponents did for him the weight is not enough, and he's still the one with an advantage.

Personally considering Marquez lost their last fight I think getting a third fight at all is a bonus for him, and negotiating Manny to drop 2 pounds is even sweeter.

If Marquez was a man surely he would challenge the champion in his own weight class, isn't that the way the logic is supposed to go? Except when Pac is involved it seems, then it his him who must bow to every demand and take every risk.

[:::PSL:::]

Here we go.

Pac-JMM 3 fight hype already. I love it!

[Dench]

Here we go.

Pac-JMM 3 fight hype already. I love it!

JMM is now starting to aged his piss on an oak barrel for the fight...

[mafiajoey]

Manny has to eat 10,000 calories and eat like a whale in order to hit these marks of 145lbs. It's just an excuse to make JMM fight at a disadvantage. Manny could just eat like a normal human and fight at a weight he wouldn't have to gorge at.

[miron_lang]

Manny has to eat 10,000 calories and eat like a whale in order to hit these marks of 145lbs. It's just an excuse to make JMM fight at a disadvantage. Manny could just eat like a normal human and fight at a weight he wouldn't have to gorge at.

Valid point.

but the problem is. Pacquiao as general knowledge plans on staying at Welterweight and has been 144-145 range at the scales. If he drops for a single fight say at 140 then the routine will be disrupted.

Yeah its a little sacrifice if we intend to satisfy some forum posters who would love to see him lose. but the reality is he could really be affected not just in the one fight that he will take at 140 BUT after this fight when he needs to be 145 again. see the point?


and the heck he needs to do all this against someone who has been chasing him for but not limited to a payday to add that he had already beaten this fighter makes it EXTREMELY RIDICULOUS




1. Roy looks inhuman at 175 went North and beat a Heavyweight went back and got kayoed silly by men not even worth to be mentioned along him legacy wise.

2. Chrys Byrd Went up went down and looks garbage in an embarrasing KO loss.

3. SRL looks out of it going down from his previous bout againts Terry Norris.


** Both men will be 145 to 148 fight night **

[mafiajoey]

Manny has to eat 10,000 calories and eat like a whale in order to hit these marks of 145lbs. It's just an excuse to make JMM fight at a disadvantage. Manny could just eat like a normal human and fight at a weight he wouldn't have to gorge at.

Valid point.

but the problem is. Pacquiao as general knowledge plans on staying at Welterweight and has been 144-145 range at the scales. If he drops for a single fight say at 140 then the routine will be disrupted.

Yeah its a little sacrifice if we intend to satisfy some forum posters who would love to see him lose. but the reality is he could really be affected not just in the one fight that he will take at 140 BUT after this fight when he needs to be 145 again. see the point?


and the heck he needs to do all this against someone who has been chasing him for but not limited to a payday to add that he had already beaten this fighter makes it EXTREMELY RIDICULOUS




1. Roy looks inhuman at 175 went North and beat a Heavyweight went back and got kayoed silly by men not even worth to be mentioned along him legacy wise.

2. Chrys Byrd Went up went down and looks garbage in an embarrasing KO loss.

3. SRL looks out of it going down from his previous bout againts Terry Norris.


** Both men will be 145 to 148 fight night **

Pac struggles to make 144-145......he eats like 500lb Gorilla.....its hard for him to make that weight. Pac struggles to make 144-145 lets remember that. All this "He's a natural welterweight talk 147" is bullshit. He has a story for the weight that best suits him and gives him the advantage. He has the power to require this.



Pacquiao-134 Diaz-135 (weigh in) Pacquiao-147 Diaz-148 (fight night) 06-2008

Pacquiao-142 Delahoya-145 (weigh in) Pacquiao-148 Delahoya-147 (fight night) 12-2008

Pacquiao-138 Hatton-140 (weigh in) Pacquiao-148 Hatton-152 (fight night) 05-2009

Pacquiao-144 Cotto-145 (weigh in) Fight night weight..? 11-2009

Pacquiao-145 Clottey-147 (weigh in) Fight night...? 03-2010

Pacquiao-144.5 Marg-150


Not buying his routine will be affected. Look at the jump from Delahoya then Hatton then Cotto. Pac makes 140-142 easily. Or he cuts back on his calories. He did it for Hatton.

[Nameless]

I am just not interested to see this fight at all. This "trilogy" should have been made and finished 5 years ago, now neither PAc or JMM have a compatible frame for an interesting bout.

[JonnyFolds]

There are just so many things that are wrong with this thread.

JMM fought Floyd at a catchweight of 144 and Floyd came in overweight. It will be a (more) fair fight against Pac who is a little guy.

If u think that Margarito is shot, or was for the Pacquiao fight you are a r-e-t-a-r-d.

SRR could go up to 160 because he was 5'10" tall. Sure, he could fight Marvin Hagler, who, at that point in his career was pretty much shot. I mean leagues better than any middleweight (SMW) we have today, but shot as far as his own skill was concerned.

I just don't see how everyone thinks the fight is going to lose momentum because both guys are fighting at a higher weight. JMM just plain could not catch Floyd. Floyd ran ran ran and pot shot all night. An excellent strategy against a small Mexican fighter. Manny cannot use this strategy, b/c he is a come forward fighter.

Pac has jumped up and down the scales, but look at his weight FIGHT NIGHT.. That is was matters. He only gains 1-4 pounds. If he cut weight he would be KILLing people in lower weight divisions. Realize what you have is a guy that his talent is so overwhelming he fights NAMES. If he fought Tim Bradley and Devon Alexander and KOed them, everybody would say he fought guys that didn't get a chance to develop yet. Do you really think Berto would have even been a challenge? Or even Ortiz? Pac can fight whoever he wants, and if you do not think that JMM has a snowballs chance you are just wrong. The guy is built like a brick-shithouse. Yeah he couldn't chance Floyd on his bicycle, but neither could DeLa Hoya at JMW.

Floyd came in fight night to fight DLH at 150 for a 154lb fight btw. I hardly consider his "moving up and back down the scales" for having done that then going back to WW. People are tuning a blind eye to the scales here. Pacquiao's resumee is so much better than Floyds it's ridiculous.