Do you think Pac is on Peds?

[Howlin Mad Missy]

regardless of whether he is using or not and natural ability aside, as Miles has stated it is highly unusual for any athlete to move up in weight and keep the same speed - if not more so AND increase their power. It just doesn't happen.

[erics44]

i dunno

his refusal excuses were suspicious and i dont buy the bowing to floyds demand argument

im not voting tho coz im not sure and im not anti pacman

[marbleheadmaui]

regardless of whether he is using or not and natural ability aside, as Miles has stated it is highly unusual for any athlete to move up in weight and keep the same speed - if not more so AND increase their power. It just doesn't happen.

Actually in boxing there are several historical examples. Jimmy McLarnin started at 112 and won the 147 crown with a KO1. Sam Langfrod began at 135 and KO'd HOF heavyweights. Mickey Walker began at lightweight and KO'd ranked heavies. George Carpentier fought in every division that existed.

It is rare, not unprecedented.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

regardless of whether he is using or not and natural ability aside, as Miles has stated it is highly unusual for any athlete to move up in weight and keep the same speed - if not more so AND increase their power. It just doesn't happen.

Actually in boxing there are several historical examples. Jimmy McLarnin started at 112 and won the 147 crown with a KO1. Sam Langfrod began at 135 and KO'd HOF heavyweights. Mickey Walker began at lightweight and KO'd ranked heavies. George Carpentier fought in every division that existed.

It is rare, not unprecedented.

who?

[marbleheadmaui]

regardless of whether he is using or not and natural ability aside, as Miles has stated it is highly unusual for any athlete to move up in weight and keep the same speed - if not more so AND increase their power. It just doesn't happen.

Actually in boxing there are several historical examples. Jimmy McLarnin started at 112 and won the 147 crown with a KO1. Sam Langfrod began at 135 and KO'd HOF heavyweights. Mickey Walker began at lightweight and KO'd ranked heavies. George Carpentier fought in every division that existed.

It is rare, not unprecedented.

who?

LOL, damn younguns don't know their history

McLarnin is a HOFer originally from Belfast. A legendary puncher from the 1930's. Langford is one of the greatest fighters of all time. A top ten guy. Over 200 wins including a dozen over HOFers. Fought from 1900-1920 or so. Best fighter never to get a title crack. Mickey Walker was the undisputed 147 and 160 king of the 1920's and 1930's. A top 20 guy all time. Carpentier is a Frenchman who once challenged Demspey for the heavyweight crown after WWI. The Message our navy sent to French ships at sea? "Your Frog flattened in fourth." Undisputed 175 king and HOFer.

What is important about these guys and this issue is steroids weren't even invented until the mid-late 1930's so this isn't evidence, it is proof what Manny has done is possible clean.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Kinda fucked that the yes option means "you've have always been anti-pacman"... that's bullshit. The behavior can make one suspicious but that doesn't mean one is anti...

[Pavlik]

never

1. pac is a genuinely good man.
2. steroids/hgh should at least manifest itself in increase in muscle mass/density to improve power, pacquiao over the years has not bulked up.
3. this slandering is brought upon by envy.

[Althugz]

never

1. pac is a genuinely good man.
2. steroids/hgh should at least manifest itself in increase in muscle mass/density to improve power, pacquiao over the years has not bulked up.
3. this slandering is brought upon by envy.

I'm not saying he is or isn't using but those are three totally baseless and therefore useless arguments.

[jbp23]

There is absoulutely no evidence that points to it. Just beating fighters in higher weight classes is not evidence of PED use its evidence of a great fighter.

However there is evidence mounting against Marquez. Using a strength coach who has a history of peddling PEDS, using alias's, and making up ridiculous stories such as this one in yahoo sports:

"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen."

[Howlin Mad Missy]

There is absoulutely no evidence that points to it. Just beating fighters in higher weight classes is not evidence of PED use its evidence of a great fighter.

However there is evidence mounting against Marquez. Using a strength coach who has a history of peddling PEDS, using alias's, and making up ridiculous stories such as this one in yahoo sports:

"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen."

You're an idiot - Marquez said he'll take whatever test they want - So what you wrote right there is a LIE.

[imp]

There is absoulutely no evidence that points to it. Just beating fighters in higher weight classes is not evidence of PED use its evidence of a great fighter.

However there is evidence mounting against Marquez. Using a strength coach who has a history of peddling PEDS, using alias's, and making up ridiculous stories such as this one in yahoo sports:

"Heredia said he is going to meet with FDA special agent Jeff Novitzky, the man who broke the BALCO case, Thursday in Las Vegas and that Marquez will provide a blood and urine sample,Heredia portrayed it as evidence that he is cooperating and attempting to develop a program that could catch cheats in professional boxing. But Novitzky is a criminal investigator, not a man who would be setting testing protocols or even handling a blood or urine specimen."

With 7 posts you are a very disgruntled pac fan that is obviously very upset about all of this.

Spread your negative words about marquez elsewhere.

[Beanflicker]

I wonder how the people who voted know would explain those infamous emails sent by Pac's camp to Mayweather's camp, asking what the penalty was if Pac tested positive and if Pac tested positive could it be kept a secret lol

[bradlee180]

Pacquiao didn't really put on much weight at all, he just stopped dehydrating because he didn't need to make weight anymore.

When Pacquiao was in the 130 lbs division, he'd dehydrate to make weight on the day-before weigh-in just as 99.9% of today's fighters do, but the next night on the HBO unofficial scale just before the fight, he'd be 144 lbs.

When Pacquiao moved to the 147 lbs division, he'd make weight and the next night, he'd be about 148 lbs.

So on fight night, the difference between Pacquiao at 130 and 147 is 4 lbs.

How is 4 lbs supposed to slow down his speed?
He wasn't any faster, and his punch against Welters didn't have the effect that it did on 130 pounders because he was fighting bigger men. Perhaps he appeared faster because he was fighting big Welters who are slower than those speedy little Super-Featherweights.

I know that the agreed-upon weight for the Margarito fight was 150 lbs.
On fight night, on the unofficial scale, Pacquiao was 148 lbs, Margarito was 165 lbs.

[Master]

Another bias slanted post in the @Beanflicker style.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

I don't doubt their achievements but without seeing how they fought as they moved up through the weights. I don't think this is issue that concerns people. Plenty of great fighters have fought in different divisions it's the WAY he has looked to get more powerful and maintain speed.