WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[fan johnny]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.

A slight modification to the analogy would be appropriate. Rather than the accuser saying he actually saw you cheating, because he didn't see anything. What he says is there is no way you could have passed the test having that score without cheating. So you must have cheated. You should now have to retake the tests and they should be modified so they have completely different questions. Oh and just to be sure that you actually know the material there should be no multiple choice questions even though everyone else take the multiple choice test.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.

A slight modification to the analogy would be appropriate. Rather than the accuser saying he actually saw you cheating, because he didn't see anything. What he says is there is no way you could have passed the test having that score without cheating. So you must have cheated. You should now have to retake the tests and they should be modified so they have completely different questions. Oh and just to be sure that you actually know the material there should be no multiple choice questions even though everyone else take the multiple choice test.

that happens

[C-Lo]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.

Anything yet or will you just repost your post?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.

Anything yet or will you just repost your post?

You killed this thread. Hornfinger won't be back here again.
But I see him creating havoc in another thread.

[Addicted to Boxing]

i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

I like your analogy but it does not take an opponents health into consideration. The more apt analogy is a child that habitually rubs his groin area is perceived to be a victim by child abuse by child services and school faculty. The parents are called into question and their integrity means nothing. What matters is the the child's safety. Which in this this unprecedent situation has PAC jumping up many weights and hitting opponents harder than than that have ever been hit ( they claim) by fighters of that natural weight class. There is a saying that is it seems to be to good there's probably something wrong. Back to my claim the parents have to prove they are not violating the child and if there is no foul play and if they really have love for the child there is no limit as to what they will do to set things straight. Avoidance is not an option !

[brocktonblockbust]

 Back to my claim the parents have to prove they are not violating the child and if there is no foul play and if they really have love for the child there is no limit as to what they will do to set things straight. Avoidance is not an option !

I am the OP and your perspective is exactly what I am referring to as abusive and dangerous. This perspective of "we have to do what is best for one's safety" is dangerous precisely because once the STATE takes on that Big Brother role, there is no limit, the sky is the limit.

If there is even a 0.00000002% chance that that man over there in the airport is a terrorist, we must now accept that "better safe than sorry" bullshit, and the TSA gets to stick their hands down everyone's pants before boarding an airliner.

[Pavlik]

the mayweathers are unimpressed with pac's string of victories over larger but "flawed" foes. then if that's the case why are they worried.

[marbleheadmaui]

i actually side with floyd on this one

lots of boxers have taken steriods and got a way with it under the current system

floyd isnt the only person accusing manny of drug use and all he is asking for is a blood sample

If I were Manny and i were clean? I'd be damned if I'd put money in the pocket of a guy who singled me out without an ounce of evidence and tried to ruin my reputation. Screw that!

Floyd is a fighter, that's all. He's not a commission he's not an imposer of rules where a commission already has standards.

Floyd completely blew this. Here is what he should have done. He should have put out a press release that said "Drug use is rampant among our young people and is a scourge on our society. Boxing is my greatest love and i want that sport to set an example for other sports that athletes can and do succeed without PED's. I urge my fellow champions, Shane Mosely, Manny Pacquiao, Tim Bradley, Nonito Donaire, Bernard Hopkins (and 3-4 more names) to join me in appealing to the Nevada, New York and New Jersey Commissions, in their roles as leaders, to adopt the strictest available protocols. We, the undersigned, agree to fight under these protocols and top pay for such testing for everyone fighting on a card in which we participate."

THAT would have given him some moral standing. As it is? he's just playing mind games.

if i were manny and i were clean i wouldnt hesitate to take the blood test and wave the results in his face

would make floyd look pretty silly

as it is mannys refusal and daft excuses make it more suspicious. And after all that if i were floyd i wouldnt fight without the tests

having said that i havent watched the developments for a while now, didnt manny agree to the tests in the end?

It depends how you view your honor I suppose. If a boss walked up to me, singled me out for no reason in front of the entire company and required that I take that test? I (having never taken a drug in my life) would quit on the spot. The notion that someone has to address outrageous accusations is sheer lunacy. If I called you a pedophile, would you feel the need to defend yourself by giving me access to your pc so I could check for kiddy stuff? I'd be rightly condemned for being so irresponsible in my accusation.

Last negotiation I think was Manny agreeing to random tests up until 14 days before the fight and another in the locker room right afterwards.

I like your analogy but it does not take an opponents health into consideration. The more apt analogy is a child that habitually rubs his groin area is perceived to be a victim by child abuse by child services and school faculty. The parents are called into question and their integrity means nothing. What matters is the the child's safety. Which in this this unprecedent situation has PAC jumping up many weights and hitting opponents harder than than that have ever been hit ( they claim) by fighters of that natural weight class. There is a saying that is it seems to be to good there's probably something wrong. Back to my claim the parents have to prove they are not violating the child and if there is no foul play and if they really have love for the child there is no limit as to what they will do to set things straight. Avoidance is not an option !

I don't think that quite works. I mean Floyd is the one rubbing his groin and they've never been in the ring together. The authorities wouldn't take someone off the street who has never been alone with the child and prosecute.

[mafiajoey]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.

Anything yet or will you just repost your post?

You killed this thread. Hornfinger won't be back here again.
But I see him creating havoc in another thread.

What the Pactards failed to mention is that this test we are talking about in school.....yha the test you said someone said you cheated on. You want to know why? Cause you went from getting C's to getting A's and you won't show anyone where you came up with your methods for gaining this much more knowledge. So now they want you to take the test randomly and the teacher won't tell you what's going to be on the test or what day. Any student can study to pass a test they are familiar with. But every student is afraid of the random test they are unaware of what the questions are. Because when the teacher tells you whats going to be on the test then of course you will pass. Or we could say in reality these pro's been beating steroid tests for years. So reality is there is a reason the classmate is telling the teacher. And quite frankly the teacher should be asking but see the teacher in this case in the boxing world doesn't want to disrupt the lining of his pockets.

[mafiajoey]

I have always been a Pac fan for over 10yrs. I never thought back in 02-03 to even ponder him fighting Floyd. Even years later the thought never crossed my mind. So I can say I was a fan of both. I mean in all reality who wasn't? There weren't any Pac Haters before the whole "Accusations" started. At least I don't recall many except those who think JMM got robbed. So for myself I actually didn't have any disgust for the guy at all. But when he refused to take the test I thought why? Why would someone refuse a test. Sure go ahead and blame Floyd and say it's all his fault and all his lies... but if it wasn't Floyd it would be someone else. But all he would have to do is say yes and if Floyd made another demand then it's fuck Floyds B.S. Because fact is before Pac went and beat Floyds leftovers you all had Floyd P4P #1 so Floyd asking for a drug test isn't much to ask for. As some of you have stated the bigger champion can do what he wants And the simple fact is Pac's excuses are almost those of what a 3yr old might say. Seriously I started wondering if he gets his way so much in his home country that he doesn't even have to talk like a normal person. He sounds disabled. And he also can be rebutted on EVERY excuse he makes. He's not scared of needles. Hes taken blood and been in the gym the next day and everything else......


Plain and simple Pac won't take the test. He won't even call Floyds bluff. But the average Pactard is also a Floyd hater. And you guys could say vice versa. I'm a Floyd fan but I give it a few more months and if he doesn't seriously call Manny out then fuck Floyd too. And when I mean call out I mean let's put some pressure on Manny. Let's sign a contract and send it over. Manny will need to man up and take stupid 50million dollar test.

[brucelee]

I have always been a Pac fan for over 10yrs. I never thought back in 02-03 to even ponder him fighting Floyd. Even years later the thought never crossed my mind. So I can say I was a fan of both. I mean in all reality who wasn't? There weren't any Pac Haters before the whole "Accusations" started. At least I don't recall many except those who think JMM got robbed. So for myself I actually didn't have any disgust for the guy at all. But when he refused to take the test I thought why? Why would someone refuse a test. Sure go ahead and blame Floyd and say it's all his fault and all his lies... but if it wasn't Floyd it would be someone else. But all he would have to do is say yes and if Floyd made another demand then it's fuck Floyds B.S. Because fact is before Pac went and beat Floyds leftovers you all had Floyd P4P #1 so Floyd asking for a drug test isn't much to ask for. As some of you have stated the bigger champion can do what he wants And the simple fact is Pac's excuses are almost those of what a 3yr old might say. Seriously I started wondering if he gets his way so much in his home country that he doesn't even have to talk like a normal person. He sounds disabled. And he also can be rebutted on EVERY excuse he makes. He's not scared of needles. Hes taken blood and been in the gym the next day and everything else......


Plain and simple Pac won't take the test. He won't even call Floyds bluff. But the average Pactard is also a Floyd hater. And you guys could say vice versa. I'm a Floyd fan but I give it a few more months and if he doesn't seriously call Manny out then fuck Floyd too. And when I mean call out I mean let's put some pressure on Manny. Let's sign a contract and send it over. Manny will need to man up and take stupid 50million dollar test.

Just for the information of everybody.... Manny had been and is still calling Floyd to fight him.

Floyd is afraid that his zero will be tarnished so he won't fight Pac.

To be honest, I seriously think that Pac's overall skill ( speed, AGRESSIVENESS, defense and strategy) is better than Floyd and Pac's skill is GROSSLY UNDERRATED by many and most of his foes.

They would only find it out when they experience it first hand and when it is too late already.

He just made Dela Hoya, Margarito, Cotto and Shane looked like D or C type of fighters.

I will stand by what I see in Pac.

If Mayweather engages Pac, he will surely get knocked down.

If he runs around Pac, he will look like a Shane-desperately-trying-to-survive and Pac will win by UD.

If this fight happens, I will surely make a lifetime sig bet.

[marbleheadmaui]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.

Anything yet or will you just repost your post?

You killed this thread. Hornfinger won't be back here again.
But I see him creating havoc in another thread.

What the Pactards failed to mention is that this test we are talking about in school.....yha the test you said someone said you cheated on. You want to know why? Cause you went from getting C's to getting A's and you won't show anyone where you came up with your methods for gaining this much more knowledge. So now they want you to take the test randomly and the teacher won't tell you what's going to be on the test or what day. Any student can study to pass a test they are familiar with. But every student is afraid of the random test they are unaware of what the questions are. Because when the teacher tells you whats going to be on the test then of course you will pass. Or we could say in reality these pro's been beating steroid tests for years. So reality is there is a reason the classmate is telling the teacher. And quite frankly the teacher should be asking but see the teacher in this case in the boxing world doesn't want to disrupt the lining of his pockets.

Sorry, but only a chowderhead would say a three division lineal champ was in any way analagous to a "C" student. Manny was a GREAT fighter before he ever met Oscar De La Hoya.

[C-Lo]

At the end of the day, there is still no proof...

[mafiajoey]

What people don't understand about Hornfinger and MafiaJoey's are the fact that they are both the biggest Pacquiao haters on the face of the earth. I made a rant about the whole Mayweather/Pacquiao hating and not one person could provide PROOF that Pacquiao was on PEDs. I'll use this analogy again:

Picture yourself back in school. You took an exam, passed it. Someone in your class claimed he saw you cheating and he's demanding the teacher or the administrators make you take an even more in depth test to prove you weren't actually cheating. Do you sit there and say, "I passed the test already, why do I have to retake it?" or "Sure, I'll take the test again cause someone said I cheated?"

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just want PROOF.

Anything yet or will you just repost your post?

You killed this thread. Hornfinger won't be back here again.
But I see him creating havoc in another thread.

What the Pactards failed to mention is that this test we are talking about in school.....yha the test you said someone said you cheated on. You want to know why? Cause you went from getting C's to getting A's and you won't show anyone where you came up with your methods for gaining this much more knowledge. So now they want you to take the test randomly and the teacher won't tell you what's going to be on the test or what day. Any student can study to pass a test they are familiar with. But every student is afraid of the random test they are unaware of what the questions are. Because when the teacher tells you whats going to be on the test then of course you will pass. Or we could say in reality these pro's been beating steroid tests for years. So reality is there is a reason the classmate is telling the teacher. And quite frankly the teacher should be asking but see the teacher in this case in the boxing world doesn't want to disrupt the lining of his pockets.

Sorry, but only a chowderhead would say a three division lineal champ was in any way analagous to a "C" student. Manny was a GREAT fighter before he ever met Oscar De La Hoya.

Again I knew people would pick apart any analogy.......I wasn't referring to him and his skill as an actual C fighter. Let's start over... How about he was a B fighter and became an A fighter so fast that it hadn't been done. This wasn't an attempt to put him down. Quite frankly I know you guys think I am a Pac Hater. But when you stand behind someone and they let you down you get upset. I just thought Manny would agree instantly when it came about and that in itself would be calling Floyd's bluff. Hater? Maybe but put it this way...... when my father was on his death bed I wasn't bragging how he needed to see Floyd fight.....It was Manny I was telling him about. I will try and refrain from shit talk....It's pointless I know. And to be honest I respect my elders and those who know more. I'm only 32. The other day when I was going back and fourth with what's his face on here and he mentioned he was in his 60's I felt like shit. I wouldn't even argue with an elder. It's respect. And apologies to all. If it's Floyd ducking then Manny should just say hes taking the test and Floyd sends the papers over. Floyd doesn't send them then hes a bitch. If he does and Manny dodges then he is. This might be the first fight where we have two boxers who arent scared of each other. Maybe the middle people are scared to make it really happen?

[mafiajoey]

At the end of the day, there is still no proof...

I understand........accusations aside don't you think if one wants testing we should have compromise? If Pac said he wouldn't fight Floyd unless he wore "X" gloves should they find a middle ground glove or throw the fight away? I just want the shit to happen as much as all. I do think Floyd plays games and if Manny agreed Floyd might lay more games but Manny calling him out as in signing papers and making it official would be a great thing.


There was also no proof I stole over a half million dollars in Plasmas one year. But I knew if I took the lie detector I would be guilty. So instead of taking the test I cried "False Accusations."