WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[InTheNeutralCorner]

At the end of the day, there is still no proof...

I understand........accusations aside don't you think if one wants testing we should have compromise? If Pac said he wouldn't fight Floyd unless he wore "X" gloves should they find a middle ground glove or throw the fight away? I just want the shit to happen as much as all. I do think Floyd plays games and if Manny agreed Floyd might lay more games but Manny calling him out as in signing papers and making it official would be a great thing.

I agree with the above statements.

The thing is when Manny came up with the excuses with regards to not accepting Floyd's drug test terms in the first negotiation, I was one of those who criticized him. And I'm a pacfan! I wish he called in Floyd's bluff because I truly think that Mayweather is just trying to find a way out of the fight. The ball was tossed in Manny's court and he blew it. Although I believe he had not used any PED or whatever drugs they accused him of, his behavior created a suspicion (no matter how small it is) to be implanted at the back of my mind. And to think that Manny tried to seek a compromise then by agreeing to lowering the cut-off date for the blood test.

Forward to the second negotiation, Manny accepted Floyd's drug test demand. The ball is now in Floyd's court. Whatever suspicion I have had been erased. Now, Floyd's excuses as to why the second negotiation failed (like there was no negotiation at all or going on vacation) reinforced my earlier belief that he was indeed ducking Manny. Mayweather did not even sought a compromise in this negotiation.

There was also no proof I stole over a half million dollars in Plasmas one year. But I knew if I took the lie detector I would be guilty. So instead of taking the test I cried "False Accusations."

But would you agree to take the lie detector test if it's your accuser and not law enforcement or the court who is insisting that you take it?

[mafiajoey]

At the end of the day, there is still no proof...

I understand........accusations aside don't you think if one wants testing we should have compromise? If Pac said he wouldn't fight Floyd unless he wore "X" gloves should they find a middle ground glove or throw the fight away? I just want the shit to happen as much as all. I do think Floyd plays games and if Manny agreed Floyd might lay more games but Manny calling him out as in signing papers and making it official would be a great thing.

I agree with the above statements.

The thing is when Manny came up with the excuses with regards to not accepting Floyd's drug test terms in the first negotiation, I was one of those who criticized him. And I'm a pacfan! I wish he called in Floyd's bluff because I truly think that Mayweather is just trying to find a way out of the fight. The ball was tossed in Manny's court and he blew it. Although I believe he had not used any PED or whatever drugs they accused him of, his behavior created a suspicion (no matter how small it is) to be implanted at the back of my mind. And to think that Manny tried to seek a compromise then by agreeing to lowering the cut-off date for the blood test.

Forward to the second negotiation, Manny accepted Floyd's drug test demand. The ball is now in Floyd's court. Whatever suspicion I have had been erased. Now, Floyd's excuses as to why the second negotiation failed (like there was no negotiation at all or going on vacation) reinforced my earlier belief that he was indeed ducking Manny. Mayweather did not even sought a compromise in this negotiation.

There was also no proof I stole over a half million dollars in Plasmas one year. But I knew if I took the lie detector I would be guilty. So instead of taking the test I cried "False Accusations."

But would you agree to take the lie detector test if it's your accuser and not law enforcement or the court who is insisting that you take it?

Very good point..... I hear you. Everything can be argued. I just think Pac let me down and in my book looks guilty. Who wouldn't take a test for 50milli? Because saying Floyd is willing to pass 50milli over a test is fine in my book. Especially with Pacs B.S. excuses.. Anyways Pac needs to just put Floyd on blast and call him out. A "Real" call out. I mean papers and shit. Everyone is so fast to say Pac agreed or agrees but his shit is always coming up with new lame excuses. HE needs to stick to one story. And Floyd stick to the one demand. If Manny agrees on paper and Floyd comes up with new shit I will personally take a shit outside Floyds house. But it has to be proven. And I give all of you my word. This I swear on my dead father. I will shit outside on Floyds driveway. And we can You Tube it like all of Floyds other rant videos and call it "Floyd Got Shit On"

[Hornfinger]

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.

Show me proof that he's NOT on roids. Show me a CLEAN random blood test.

I want proof he's not on roids.


Here's another thing.

Why don't pac fans want manny to take a test? Surely pacfans should want him to take a test, pass it and then rub it in the face of every floyd fan and doubter etc... To me I don't think pacfans are convinced. To me they seem scared he might fail the test.

But this is why i think pacfans are not boxing fans, they're just pacfrans. Any boxing fan would want to see stricter testing and more importantly a fair playing field in every fight. In my view pac fans don't want this cuz they dont want their boy to take a test.

If your not for testing, fair fights and an even playing field then you ain't a fan of boxing.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

The thing is when Manny came up with the excuses with regards to not accepting Floyd's drug test terms in the first negotiation, I was one of those who criticized him. And I'm a pacfan! I wish he called in Floyd's bluff because I truly think that Mayweather is just trying to find a way out of the fight. The ball was tossed in Manny's court and he blew it. Although I believe he had not used any PED or whatever drugs they accused him of, his behavior created a suspicion (no matter how small it is) to be implanted at the back of my mind. And to think that Manny tried to seek a compromise then by agreeing to lowering the cut-off date for the blood test.

Forward to the second negotiation, Manny accepted Floyd's drug test demand. The ball is now in Floyd's court. Whatever suspicion I have had been erased. Now, Floyd's excuses as to why the second negotiation failed (like there was no negotiation at all or going on vacation) reinforced my earlier belief that he was indeed ducking Manny. Mayweather did not even sought a compromise in this negotiation.

There was also no proof I stole over a half million dollars in Plasmas one year. But I knew if I took the lie detector I would be guilty. So instead of taking the test I cried "False Accusations."

But would you agree to take the lie detector test if it's your accuser and not law enforcement or the court who is insisting that you take it?

Very good point..... I hear you. Everything can be argued. I just think Pac let me down and in my book looks guilty. Who wouldn't take a test for 50milli? Because saying Floyd is willing to pass 50milli over a test is fine in my book. Especially with Pacs B.S. excuses.. Anyways Pac needs to just put Floyd on blast and call him out. A "Real" call out. I mean papers and shit. Everyone is so fast to say Pac agreed or agrees but his shit is always coming up with new lame excuses. HE needs to stick to one story. And Floyd stick to the one demand. If Manny agrees on paper and Floyd comes up with new shit I will personally take a shit outside Floyds house. But it has to be proven. And I give all of you my word. This I swear on my dead father. I will shit outside on Floyds driveway. And we can You Tube it like all of Floyds other rant videos and call it "Floyd Got Shit On"

Pac let me down too in the first negotiation but he made up for it in the second.

It's unfair to put the blame on Manny for not taking the test for 50 million (I don't think it's 50 million) and yet it's fine for Floyd to pass it over a test.

Pac does not call out his opponents. He just respond to media questions about whether he would be willing to fight such an opponent. Floyd is the one who calls out his opponents. After Mayweather beat Mosley, he called out Pacquiao but when Manny agreed to his blood test demand he went on vacation.
Floyd Mayweather Jr calls out Manny Pacquiao after beating Shane Mosley | Sport | guardian.co.uk

Let us know ahead of time when you're going to shit on Floyd's driveway so that we can have our videos ready. Are the media okey to attend?

Finally, I just want to know what your response to this will be. Would you agree to take a lie detector test if your accuser and not law enforcement or the court is the one insisting that you take it? If it was me, I won't and I'll tell him to go to hell.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.

Show me proof that he's NOT on roids. Show me a CLEAN random blood test.

I want proof he's not on roids.


Here's another thing.

Why don't pac fans want manny to take a test? Surely pacfans should want him to take a test, pass it and then rub it in the face of every floyd fan and doubter etc... To me I don't think pacfans are convinced. To me they seem scared he might fail the test.

But this is why i think pacfans are not boxing fans, they're just pacfrans. Any boxing fan would want to see stricter testing and more importantly a fair playing field in every fight. In my view pac fans don't want this cuz they dont want their boy to take a test.

If your not for testing, fair fights and an even playing field then you ain't a fan of boxing.

Manny has already been taking the test as required in every fight! But he finally compromised and agreed to Floyd's drug test demand with a cut-off of 14 days. If the cut-off day for the Mayweather-Mosley fight (with someone who is an admitted drug/PED user) is 18 days, then 14 days should be good enough.

So you're a boxing fan. Have you done anything to see stricter testing? Have you send letters to the boxing commissions or to the media with regards to this? Has Floyd done this after the collapse of the first negotiation with Manny? Did you raise an uproar when Floyd did not even the playing field by coming in over the weight limit in his fight with Marquez?

[Hornfinger]

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.

Show me proof that he's NOT on roids. Show me a CLEAN random blood test.

I want proof he's not on roids.


Here's another thing.

Why don't pac fans want manny to take a test? Surely pacfans should want him to take a test, pass it and then rub it in the face of every floyd fan and doubter etc... To me I don't think pacfans are convinced. To me they seem scared he might fail the test.

But this is why i think pacfans are not boxing fans, they're just pacfrans. Any boxing fan would want to see stricter testing and more importantly a fair playing field in every fight. In my view pac fans don't want this cuz they dont want their boy to take a test.

If your not for testing, fair fights and an even playing field then you ain't a fan of boxing.

Manny has already been taking the test as required in every fight! But he finally compromised and agreed to Floyd's drug test demand with a cut-off of 14 days. If the cut-off day for the Mayweather-Mosley fight (with someone who is an admitted drug/PED user) is 18 days, then 14 days should be good enough.

So you're a boxing fan. Have you done anything to see stricter testing? Have you send letters to the boxing commissions or to the media with regards to this? Has Floyd done this after the collapse of the first negotiation with Manny? Did you raise an uproar when Floyd did not even the playing field by coming in over the weight limit in his fight with Marquez?

Required test isn't sufficiant, it's urine and no random. Thats a cop out answer.

14 day cut off isn't a random test.

Neither floyd or shane were told their last test was 18 days out for all they knew the
could've been tested again hence the word 'random'

And you finish off with more unrelated floyd vs manny crap to dodge the issue and not have to answer the point. You don't want him to take a test cuz you think he might fail. I'm flattered that you think letters and emails from me would carry enough weight to change the rules of drug testing in boxing.

Thank you good night.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Manny has already been taking the test as required in every fight! But he finally compromised and agreed to Floyd's drug test demand with a cut-off of 14 days. If the cut-off day for the Mayweather-Mosley fight (with someone who is an admitted drug/PED user) is 18 days, then 14 days should be good enough.

So you're a boxing fan. Have you done anything to see stricter testing? Have you send letters to the boxing commissions or to the media with regards to this? Has Floyd done this after the collapse of the first negotiation with Manny? Did you raise an uproar when Floyd did not even the playing field by coming in over the weight limit in his fight with Marquez?

Required test isn't sufficiant, it's urine and no random. Thats a cop out answer.
Required test had been sufficient until Floyd came up with that BS. It still is sufficient in all fights.

14 day cut off isn't a random test.
But the 14 day cut off ws good enough for Floyd in the first negotiation. Now you also want to act as the boxing commissioner and insist that's not good enough. And you are not even the one fighting so what's your problem.

Neither floyd or shane were told their last test was 18 days out for all they knew the
could've been tested again hence the word 'random'
So why were you not in an uproar that they were only tested until 18 days before the fight. Weren't you concerned that Shane might have cheated AGAIN in those 17 days leading up to the fight?

And you finish off with more unrelated floyd vs manny crap to dodge the issue and not have to answer the point. You don't want him to take a test cuz you think he might fail. I'm flattered that you think letters and emails from me would carry enough weight to change the rules of drug testing in boxing.
Either you have not read my previous post or just don't understand them. I criticized Manny for not giving in to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation. I wanted him to just give in for the fight to happen but did not place the entire blame on him. Now that Manny already agreed to the demand, what more can you ask for?
I didn't say letters and e-mails from you carry enough weight to change the rules. You implied that, as a boxing fan, you would want stricter testing. Is there any PROOF that you at least advocated for this even before the Pacquiao-Mayweather fiasco? Or all you did about this is criticize Manny?

Thank you good night.
Thank you, too, but it's afternoon to me..

You haven't answered any of my questions in the last paragraph.

[Hornfinger]

Manny has already been taking the test as required in every fight! But he finally compromised and agreed to Floyd's drug test demand with a cut-off of 14 days. If the cut-off day for the Mayweather-Mosley fight (with someone who is an admitted drug/PED user) is 18 days, then 14 days should be good enough.

So you're a boxing fan. Have you done anything to see stricter testing? Have you send letters to the boxing commissions or to the media with regards to this? Has Floyd done this after the collapse of the first negotiation with Manny? Did you raise an uproar when Floyd did not even the playing field by coming in over the weight limit in his fight with Marquez?

Required test isn't sufficiant, it's urine and no random. Thats a cop out answer.
Required test had been sufficient until Floyd came up with that BS. It still is sufficient in all fights.

14 day cut off isn't a random test.
But the 14 day cut off ws good enough for Floyd in the first negotiation. Now you also want to act as the boxing commissioner and insist that's not good enough. And you are not even the one fighting so what's your problem.

Neither floyd or shane were told their last test was 18 days out for all they knew the
could've been tested again hence the word 'random'
So why were you not in an uproar that they were only tested until 18 days before the fight. Weren't you concerned that Shane might have cheated AGAIN in those 17 days leading up to the fight?

And you finish off with more unrelated floyd vs manny crap to dodge the issue and not have to answer the point. You don't want him to take a test cuz you think he might fail. I'm flattered that you think letters and emails from me would carry enough weight to change the rules of drug testing in boxing.
Either you have not read my previous post or just don't understand them. I criticized Manny for not giving in to Floyd's drug test demand in the first negotiation. I wanted him to just give in for the fight to happen but did not place the entire blame on him. Now that Manny already agreed to the demand, what more can you ask for?
I didn't say letters and e-mails from you carry enough weight to change the rules. You implied that, as a boxing fan, you would want stricter testing. Is there any PROOF that you at least advocated for this even before the Pacquiao-Mayweather fiasco? Or all you did about this is criticize Manny?

Thank you good night.
Thank you, too, but it's afternoon to me..

You haven't answered any of my questions in the last paragraph.

Required test is a urine test, and won't detect modern steroids. FACT. So it's not sufficiant. FACT

Might have been good enough for Floyd but it's not good enough for me because then it's not Random. Fact

I wasn't in up roar beacuse (to repeat myself again for the millionth time, honestly are you really that dumb?) The fighters didn't know their last test was 18 days out. ITS A RANDOM TEST! Shane would've been taking amassive risk, I doubt he would've taken the risk, same for floyd.

Nope i'm not being drawn into unrelated crap. Show me a clean blood test for manny and I'll believe he's clean.

Wow you've been Owned twice in the same day by the same person on the same subject. Sucks to be you...

[Beanflicker]

Well if you want to get on the subject of "who is so-and-so to demand special rules", people forget that Manny demanded that Floyd be fined 10 MILLION DOLLARS for every pound he came in overweight. Show me the AC rule that says "a fighter shall be fined 10 MILLION for every pound he comes in overweight".

People also forget that Manny demanded Cotto defend his welterweight belt at a CATCHWEIGHT. When have you ever seen a 147lb title being contested at a weight other than 147lbs?

So why does Manny get a free pass for this crap, while Floyd is labelled a ducker for demanding stricter drug testing? It's a legitimite request because drug testing in boxing (and a lot of pro sports in general) is an absolute joke.

[Hornfinger]

Well if you want to get on the subject of "who is so-and-so to demand special rules", people forget that Manny demanded that Floyd be fined 10 MILLION DOLLARS for every pound he came in overweight. Show me the AC rule that says "a fighter shall be fined 10 MILLION for every pound he comes in overweight".

People also forget that Manny demanded Cotto defend his welterweight belt at a CATCHWEIGHT. When have you ever seen a 147lb title being contested at a weight other than 147lbs?

So why does Manny get a free pass for this crap, while Floyd is labelled a ducker for demanding stricter drug testing? It's a legitimite request because drug testing in boxing (and a lot of pro sports in general) is an absolute joke.

Not to mention all the unofficial weight classes manny chooses to fight at.....

[marbleheadmaui]

Well if you want to get on the subject of "who is so-and-so to demand special rules", people forget that Manny demanded that Floyd be fined 10 MILLION DOLLARS for every pound he came in overweight. Show me the AC rule that says "a fighter shall be fined 10 MILLION for every pound he comes in overweight".

People also forget that Manny demanded Cotto defend his welterweight belt at a CATCHWEIGHT. When have you ever seen a 147lb title being contested at a weight other than 147lbs?

So why does Manny get a free pass for this crap, while Floyd is labelled a ducker for demanding stricter drug testing? It's a legitimite request because drug testing in boxing (and a lot of pro sports in general) is an absolute joke.

Here's the difference. Floyd had blown his cotnracted weight with JMM. In other words Manny had a REASON for that requirment. Floyd had previously shown bad faith.

On nthe 147 division being defended at a catchweight? Has happened MANY times. Here's just a few. Armstrong-Ross, Walcott-Gans, Armstrong-Jenkins and Griffith-Charnely.

[C-Lo]

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.

Show me proof that he's NOT on roids. Show me a CLEAN random blood test.

I want proof he's not on roids.


Here's another thing.

Why don't pac fans want manny to take a test? Surely pacfans should want him to take a test, pass it and then rub it in the face of every floyd fan and doubter etc... To me I don't think pacfans are convinced. To me they seem scared he might fail the test.

But this is why i think pacfans are not boxing fans, they're just pacfrans. Any boxing fan would want to see stricter testing and more importantly a fair playing field in every fight. In my view pac fans don't want this cuz they dont want their boy to take a test.

If your not for testing, fair fights and an even playing field then you ain't a fan of boxing.

That's an easy one. PROOF is he hasn't failed a drug test yet. Blood test are not the standard set by the commission. Pacquiao has never failed nor come up with questionable results on the standard testing. Give me proof he's on steroids?

[marbleheadmaui]

Something about this whole discussion puzzles me.

When did we as a culture stop shaming people for making unsubstantiated allegations like this?

[mnmc10]

we are just going around in circles. first off there is a standard in drug testing in boxing. pac obliges to that drug testing. second in the 2nd negotiations pac agreed to pbf's demands. fight still didnt pushed thru cause pbf needs a vacation.

hornfinger will keep on winning the argument of "random blood tests for pac" until the boxing drug test standard includes that in their rule. till then hornfinger is asking for the impossible. do yourself a favor, on pacs next fight go there personally beg them to take blood tests and pay for it. that way youll know for sure if pacs blood is clean.

[fan johnny]

Show me proof Pacquiao is on PEDs and you have another Pachater on my part. Not speculation, hypothesis, or situations, I just was PROOF.

Show me proof that he's NOT on roids. Show me a CLEAN random blood test.

I want proof he's not on roids.


Here's another thing.

Why don't pac fans want manny to take a test? Surely pacfans should want him to take a test, pass it and then rub it in the face of every floyd fan and doubter etc... To me I don't think pacfans are convinced. To me they seem scared he might fail the test.

But this is why i think pacfans are not boxing fans, they're just pacfrans. Any boxing fan would want to see stricter testing and more importantly a fair playing field in every fight. In my view pac fans don't want this cuz they dont want their boy to take a test.

If your not for testing, fair fights and an even playing field then you ain't a fan of boxing.

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