Calzaghe's win over B-Hop looks better all the time.......

[generalbulldog]

Again 1 of the few times I agree with Miles. People likes to shit all over JC's resume when B-Hops resume isn't all that sterling either. JC gets bashed for fighting old guys like RJJ and B-Hop, but B-Hop gets excused for beating up blownup Welterweights like Oscar and Tito or other smaller men like Pavlik, Wright, etc.

And now trying to use Sven Ottke as if the guy was some beast that JC avoided? That's like saying Pac and Mayweather are avoiding Jan Zaveck.

[Violent Demise]

Again 1 of the few times I agree with Miles. People likes to shit all over JC's resume when B-Hops resume isn't all that sterling either. JC gets bashed for fighting old guys like RJJ and B-Hop, but B-Hop gets excused for beating up blownup Welterweights like Oscar and Tito or other smaller men like Pavlik, Wright, etc.

And now trying to use Sven Ottke as if the guy was some beast that JC avoided? That's like saying Pac and Mayweather are avoiding Jan Zaveck.

Calzaghe once said Ottke wouldn't make it past 5 against him. Said Woodhall and Reid were tougher. One of the reasons Ottke-Calzaghe doesn't happen is cuz Calzaghe didn't want to fight in Germany. Said he didn't want to get robbed. Why is that even a concern? The man won't make it past 5 against you? All of a sudden your worried about the judges?

Side-note: Calzaghe would go into Germany a couple of years later for a meaningless rematch against Mario Veit. A fighter he had previously stopped in 1

[erics44]

Calzaghe once said Ottke wouldn't make it past 5 against him. Said Woodhall and Reid were tougher. One of the reasons Ottke-Calzaghe doesn't happen is cuz Calzaghe didn't want to fight in Germany. Said he didn't want to get robbed. Why is that even a concern? The man won't make it past 5 against you? All of a sudden your worried about the judges?

Side-note: Calzaghe would go into Germany a couple of years later for a meaningless rematch against Mario Veit. A fighter he had previously stopped in 1

are you saying ottke would have beaten calzaghi?

[Violent Demise]

Calzaghe once said Ottke wouldn't make it past 5 against him. Said Woodhall and Reid were tougher. One of the reasons Ottke-Calzaghe doesn't happen is cuz Calzaghe didn't want to fight in Germany. Said he didn't want to get robbed. Why is that even a concern? The man won't make it past 5 against you? All of a sudden your worried about the judges?

Side-note: Calzaghe would go into Germany a couple of years later for a meaningless rematch against Mario Veit. A fighter he had previously stopped in 1

are you saying ottke would have beaten calzaghi?

I think it would of been a 50-50 fight. I know the current public perception is to knock Ottke. But really most that do really only seen youtube clips of him. But the man was not a bad fighter. Anybody that thinks he gets blown out by Calzaghe really doesn't know the sport.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Calzaghe once said Ottke wouldn't make it past 5 against him. Said Woodhall and Reid were tougher. One of the reasons Ottke-Calzaghe doesn't happen is cuz Calzaghe didn't want to fight in Germany. Said he didn't want to get robbed. Why is that even a concern? The man won't make it past 5 against you? All of a sudden your worried about the judges?

Side-note: Calzaghe would go into Germany a couple of years later for a meaningless rematch against Mario Veit. A fighter he had previously stopped in 1

are you saying ottke would have beaten calzaghi?

I think it would of been a 50-50 fight. I know the current public perception is to knock Ottke. But really most that do really only seen youtube clips of him. But the man was not a bad fighter. Anybody that thinks he gets blown out by Calzaghe really doesn't know the sport.

Ottke was cute and crafty. It's easy to hate on him but he was effective.
Also, the 2nd Veit fight happened after supposedly Calzaghe was all out of options.

Lastly, whenever Joe speaks, it's always apparent that his logic isn't exactly linear. Much like his boxing style

[Violent Demise]

Calzaghe once said Ottke wouldn't make it past 5 against him. Said Woodhall and Reid were tougher. One of the reasons Ottke-Calzaghe doesn't happen is cuz Calzaghe didn't want to fight in Germany. Said he didn't want to get robbed. Why is that even a concern? The man won't make it past 5 against you? All of a sudden your worried about the judges?

Side-note: Calzaghe would go into Germany a couple of years later for a meaningless rematch against Mario Veit. A fighter he had previously stopped in 1

are you saying ottke would have beaten calzaghi?

I think it would of been a 50-50 fight. I know the current public perception is to knock Ottke. But really most that do really only seen youtube clips of him. But the man was not a bad fighter. Anybody that thinks he gets blown out by Calzaghe really doesn't know the sport.

Ottke was cute and crafty. It's easy to hate on him but he was effective.
Also, the 2nd Veit fight happened after supposedly Calzaghe was all out of options.

Lastly, whenever Joe speaks, it's always apparent that his logic isn't exactly linear. Much like his boxing style

Two things a person can always count on in life. They will one day die. And two, Calzaghe will have some kind of excuse

[porkypara]

Calzaghe once said Ottke wouldn't make it past 5 against him. Said Woodhall and Reid were tougher. One of the reasons Ottke-Calzaghe doesn't happen is cuz Calzaghe didn't want to fight in Germany. Said he didn't want to get robbed. Why is that even a concern? The man won't make it past 5 against you? All of a sudden your worried about the judges?

Side-note: Calzaghe would go into Germany a couple of years later for a meaningless rematch against Mario Veit. A fighter he had previously stopped in 1

are you saying ottke would have beaten calzaghi?

I think it would of been a 50-50 fight. I know the current public perception is to knock Ottke. But really most that do really only seen youtube clips of him. But the man was not a bad fighter. Anybody that thinks he gets blown out by Calzaghe really doesn't know the sport.

Ottke was cute and crafty. It's easy to hate on him but he was effective.
Also, the 2nd Veit fight happened after supposedly Calzaghe was all out of options.

Lastly, whenever Joe speaks, it's always apparent that his logic isn't exactly linear. Much like his boxing style

Two things a person can always count on in life. They will one day die. And two, Calzaghe will have some kind of excuse

A more factual answer to your point would be.They will die ,and two,Calzaghe never lost a pro fight in his life.FACT!

[Mars_ax]

Like him or not Calzaghe finished his career at 46-0, something few Champions can lay a claim to. He did things his way, and I respect him for that, he made a shitload of money, retired with all his marbles, and can laugh at his critics all the way to the bank and IBHOF.

Good job Joe.