Calzaghe's win over B-Hop looks better all the time.......

[ICB]

Michael Nunn in his prime when he was beating up Frank Tate, Sumbu Kalambay, Juan Roldan, would of been a heck of a challenge for Joe Calzaghe. But when Joe Calzaghe was champion in 1997, Michael Nunn was on the downslide.

But he could of never of fought Joe Calzaghe anyway, he moved up in weight and his last fight at Super Middleweight. Was a razor thin close decision against John Scully.

The only way Joe Calzaghe could of fought better opposition, was either be born in a different era or he could of moved up.

[Majesty]

Joe Calzaghe was in his late 30s and 38 or so fights when he retired.


Andre Ward at the age of 27 in under 25 fights is on his way to building a better resume than Joe Calzaghe at super middleweight.

In 7 years Andre Ward has accomplished nearly as much if not more at Super Middleweight than Joe Calzaghe accomplished in 15 years at Super Middleweight and dismantled Mikkell Kessler who was the most skilled fighter at 168 even easier than Calzaghe did in his 21st fight.

Say what you will about how good Hopkins winning makes Calzaghe look. But the fact of the matter is Andre Ward is on the verge of putting himself ahead of Calzaghe in terms of history and resume before his 30th Birthday, or even before his 30th fight.

So say what you will about Calzaghe now, but there's someone in his division already close to eclipsing his accomplishments and biggest 'wins'.

The same cannot, and will not ever, be said of Hopkins. Especially not less than 2 years after he retires

And if Ward beats Froch.. then there is no question really who has the better Super Middleweight resume.

Actually to be honest, lets say Ward beats Froch(or Johnson) and Bute two fights he is extremely capable of winning. I have a feeling Calzaghe would come "out of retirement" and try to make a comeback fighting Ward. if the stories about the money he crapped away are true, then I can see it happening.

[Mr140]

Could also say that ward is picking up on peoples left overs lest see him make as many defenses as Calzaghe before we say he going to sure pass him. Also to go 46 and be undefeated is pretty hard to the smw is packed right now and middle wasn't even packed when Hopkins fought there.

[Gandalf]

Could also say that ward is picking up on peoples left overs lest see him make as many defenses as Calzaghe before we say he going to sure pass him. Also to go 46 and be undefeated is pretty hard to the smw is packed right now and middle wasn't even packed when Hopkins fought there.

I would also argue the point that Andre Ward has nothing to do with this thread. Just seems like a smug way for Majesty to say that Ward has been fortunate enough to be in a division with a number of decent fighters. Has Kessler really been the same since Calzaghe? Plus Ward had to foul him to death to get the win too. Bika? Another easy Calzaghe left over. There is nobody on Wards resume that Calzaghe wouldn't have beaten and in far more impressive style too.

[Majesty]

Could also say that ward is picking up on peoples left overs lest see him make as many defenses as Calzaghe before we say he going to sure pass him. Also to go 46 and be undefeated is pretty hard to the smw is packed right now and middle wasn't even packed when Hopkins fought there.

I would also argue the point that Andre Ward has nothing to do with this thread. Just seems like a smug way for Majesty to say that Ward has been fortunate enough to be in a division with a number of decent fighters. Has Kessler really been the same since Calzaghe? Plus Ward had to foul him to death to get the win too. Bika? Another easy Calzaghe left over. There is nobody on Wards resume that Calzaghe wouldn't have beaten and in far more impressive style too.

Kessler had enough to beat Froch didn't he, and before you complain about the fouls, Kessler had already lost every round to Ward before the serious headbutts and cut. So that isn't the reason he lost, you shouldn't hold onto that for so long. Ward was/is just the better fighter than Kessler. Ward didn't have to foul his way to victory, he was already easily beating him before the huge fouls happened.

Mr140 said that he would like to see Ward have as many defenses as Calzaghe did at Super Middleweight before being on par, but then downplayed Hopkins Middleweight accomplishment by saying Middleweight wasn't packed when Hopkins was defending. So why give more of a credit to Joe when Super Middleweight wasn't exactly bombing either at the time.

Ward is fortunate enough to be in a division with a number of decent fighters, but he's also been fortunate enough to dominate them all as well.

Point is there is a boxer one can argue is about 2 or 3 fights away from having a better Super Middleweight resume than Calzaghe, and so soon after his retirement. You say there isn't any names on Ward's resume that Calzaghe wouldn't have beaten easier. Is there anyone really on Calzaghe's resume especially when he fought some of those names with the exception of Hopkins that would have given Ward a lot of trouble? His four biggest wins, are Kessler, Lacy, Jones and Hopkins.

After seeing Roy this weekend there's no doubt he should have got out long ago.
Think Lacy would trouble Ward?
Ward beat Kessler easily and was winning easily before the big fouls took place. it was Kessler's style and lack of ability to have a plan B that lost him the Ward fight(same thing that lost him the Calzaghe fight though it took Joe longer to figure him out)
Hopkins would give Ward issues as he would give anyone issues.

Of the four biggest wins of Calzaghe's career, only Hopkins would trouble Ward if we look at the times that Calzaghe fought them.

But when it comes to Hopkins, no one is gonna be saying that about a "hopkins successor" in a long long time. So my point is that while people say Calzaghe's win over B-Hop looks better every day. if you look at where history is gonna place them, Calzaghe's reign and resume is already in danger, whereas Hopkins' will be untouched for a very long time, you can't compare the two or try to use Calzaghe's win to jumpstart over what Hopkins has done and is doing.

[mattboxingfan]

Joe Calzaghe was in his late 30s and 38 or so fights when he retired.


Andre Ward at the age of 27 in under 25 fights is on his way to building a better resume than Joe Calzaghe at super middleweight.

In 7 years Andre Ward has accomplished nearly as much if not more at Super Middleweight than Joe Calzaghe accomplished in 15 years at Super Middleweight and dismantled Mikkell Kessler who was the most skilled fighter at 168 even easier than Calzaghe did in his 21st fight.

Say what you will about how good Hopkins winning makes Calzaghe look. But the fact of the matter is Andre Ward is on the verge of putting himself ahead of Calzaghe in terms of history and resume before his 30th Birthday, or even before his 30th fight.

So say what you will about Calzaghe now, but there's someone in his division already close to eclipsing his accomplishments and biggest 'wins'.

The same cannot, and will not ever, be said of Hopkins. Especially not less than 2 years after he retires

And if Ward beats Froch.. then there is no question really who has the better Super Middleweight resume.

Actually to be honest, lets say Ward beats Froch(or Johnson) and Bute two fights he is extremely capable of winning. I have a feeling Calzaghe would come "out of retirement" and try to make a comeback fighting Ward. if the stories about the money he crapped away are true, then I can see it happening.

Andre Ward ah yes just like Hopkins he loves to get a HEAD start. He is HEADing for a real good resume.

[Majesty]

Joe Calzaghe was in his late 30s and 38 or so fights when he retired.


Andre Ward at the age of 27 in under 25 fights is on his way to building a better resume than Joe Calzaghe at super middleweight.

In 7 years Andre Ward has accomplished nearly as much if not more at Super Middleweight than Joe Calzaghe accomplished in 15 years at Super Middleweight and dismantled Mikkell Kessler who was the most skilled fighter at 168 even easier than Calzaghe did in his 21st fight.

Say what you will about how good Hopkins winning makes Calzaghe look. But the fact of the matter is Andre Ward is on the verge of putting himself ahead of Calzaghe in terms of history and resume before his 30th Birthday, or even before his 30th fight.

So say what you will about Calzaghe now, but there's someone in his division already close to eclipsing his accomplishments and biggest 'wins'.

The same cannot, and will not ever, be said of Hopkins. Especially not less than 2 years after he retires

And if Ward beats Froch.. then there is no question really who has the better Super Middleweight resume.

Actually to be honest, lets say Ward beats Froch(or Johnson) and Bute two fights he is extremely capable of winning. I have a feeling Calzaghe would come "out of retirement" and try to make a comeback fighting Ward. if the stories about the money he crapped away are true, then I can see it happening.

Andre Ward ah yes just like Hopkins he loves to get a HEAD start. He is HEADing for a real good resume.

Only fight that there was ever real headbutt issues seems to be the Kessler one. But I won't label Ward as a dirty fighter.. till he does something like this

[CommunistKevin]

It might have been a cheap win for calzhaghe but he did enough to get the decision.

[marbleheadmaui]

Joe Calzaghe was in his late 30s and 38 or so fights when he retired.


Andre Ward at the age of 27 in under 25 fights is on his way to building a better resume than Joe Calzaghe at super middleweight.

In 7 years Andre Ward has accomplished nearly as much if not more at Super Middleweight than Joe Calzaghe accomplished in 15 years at Super Middleweight and dismantled Mikkell Kessler who was the most skilled fighter at 168 even easier than Calzaghe did in his 21st fight.

Say what you will about how good Hopkins winning makes Calzaghe look. But the fact of the matter is Andre Ward is on the verge of putting himself ahead of Calzaghe in terms of history and resume before his 30th Birthday, or even before his 30th fight.

So say what you will about Calzaghe now, but there's someone in his division already close to eclipsing his accomplishments and biggest 'wins'.

The same cannot, and will not ever, be said of Hopkins. Especially not less than 2 years after he retires

And if Ward beats Froch.. then there is no question really who has the better Super Middleweight resume.

Actually to be honest, lets say Ward beats Froch(or Johnson) and Bute two fights he is extremely capable of winning. I have a feeling Calzaghe would come "out of retirement" and try to make a comeback fighting Ward. if the stories about the money he crapped away are true, then I can see it happening.

I have shat all over the 168 division since it's inception because more than any other the best seemed to find reasons not to fight one another over and over and over and over again until Calzaghe and kessler did.

But it looks like the Super Six winner will fight Bute and we'll have a legit THE MAN champ! It is a fresh start!

[generalbulldog]

We're talking about the Michael Nunn that fought Toney right? Michael Nunn - Boxer

So how was Calzaghe suppose to fight him when he was gone from the division when JC was starting out his pro career?

And when Calzaghe was ranked as a SMW, Nunn was ranked as a LHW. The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings: 1998 - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Someone here is reaching.