Calzaghe's win over B-Hop looks better all the time.......

[mattboxingfan]

Joe Calzaghe was in his late 30s and 38 or so fights when he retired.


Andre Ward at the age of 27 in under 25 fights is on his way to building a better resume than Joe Calzaghe at super middleweight.

In 7 years Andre Ward has accomplished nearly as much if not more at Super Middleweight than Joe Calzaghe accomplished in 15 years at Super Middleweight and dismantled Mikkell Kessler who was the most skilled fighter at 168 even easier than Calzaghe did in his 21st fight.

Say what you will about how good Hopkins winning makes Calzaghe look. But the fact of the matter is Andre Ward is on the verge of putting himself ahead of Calzaghe in terms of history and resume before his 30th Birthday, or even before his 30th fight.

So say what you will about Calzaghe now, but there's someone in his division already close to eclipsing his accomplishments and biggest 'wins'.

The same cannot, and will not ever, be said of Hopkins. Especially not less than 2 years after he retires

And if Ward beats Froch.. then there is no question really who has the better Super Middleweight resume.

Actually to be honest, lets say Ward beats Froch(or Johnson) and Bute two fights he is extremely capable of winning. I have a feeling Calzaghe would come "out of retirement" and try to make a comeback fighting Ward. if the stories about the money he crapped away are true, then I can see it happening.

Andre Ward ah yes just like Hopkins he loves to get a HEAD start. He is HEADing for a real good resume.

[Majesty]

Joe Calzaghe was in his late 30s and 38 or so fights when he retired.


Andre Ward at the age of 27 in under 25 fights is on his way to building a better resume than Joe Calzaghe at super middleweight.

In 7 years Andre Ward has accomplished nearly as much if not more at Super Middleweight than Joe Calzaghe accomplished in 15 years at Super Middleweight and dismantled Mikkell Kessler who was the most skilled fighter at 168 even easier than Calzaghe did in his 21st fight.

Say what you will about how good Hopkins winning makes Calzaghe look. But the fact of the matter is Andre Ward is on the verge of putting himself ahead of Calzaghe in terms of history and resume before his 30th Birthday, or even before his 30th fight.

So say what you will about Calzaghe now, but there's someone in his division already close to eclipsing his accomplishments and biggest 'wins'.

The same cannot, and will not ever, be said of Hopkins. Especially not less than 2 years after he retires

And if Ward beats Froch.. then there is no question really who has the better Super Middleweight resume.

Actually to be honest, lets say Ward beats Froch(or Johnson) and Bute two fights he is extremely capable of winning. I have a feeling Calzaghe would come "out of retirement" and try to make a comeback fighting Ward. if the stories about the money he crapped away are true, then I can see it happening.

Andre Ward ah yes just like Hopkins he loves to get a HEAD start. He is HEADing for a real good resume.

Only fight that there was ever real headbutt issues seems to be the Kessler one. But I won't label Ward as a dirty fighter.. till he does something like this

[Rantcatrat]

I think this is right!

I wonder sometimes if BHOP wished he had that fight back. He fought like he had no faith in his own stamina.

Now that is to take nothing away from Clazaghe who I thought won nine rounds of that fight. But I do think BHOP matured in his understanding of his 40+ body after that (if that makes sense).

Of course all that matters is what happened so I'll stop speculating. A casae like this is why one cannot really rate a fighter until after hyis compeition has retired.

I agree. I had Calzaghe winning by quite a few rounds in that fight. It was a case of Calzaghe throwing a lot of punches and Bhop not throwing a lot of punches even if Calzaghe's punches weren't powerful.

[roberto duran legend]

Calzaghe just had enough of the grind of training, and there was not a lot of A list fights out there for him , I know his resume is not top draw , but he did beat Eubank who was coming near the end of his career but still it is more than Nigel Benn could do . His victory over Kessler was a good win , he was the first man to beat him and he beat him easy . And i cant forget Jeff Lacy , I know he is a limited slugger but all you yanks Don king included , thought he was going to destroy Joe , but he absolutely destroyed him and finished his career, give the man the credit he deserves.

[marbleheadmaui]

Yep thats gotta be his best win, out of the 3-4 good fighters he's faced in 46 fights.

You're right Calzaghe should have played it like B-Hop, beat up blownup Welterweights to make a name for himself early in his career.

You can argue who won the fight, but that whiteboy didn't make it easy for B-Hop. THis whole B-Hop won 4 or 5 more rounds is ridiculous.

and Calzaghe made his name beating up on has beens (Jones and Eubank) pretenders (Sheika, Bika and Manfredo Jr), or given gift decisions (Hopkins and Reid), his only stand out non controversial wins that deserve any real praise are his wins against Kessler and Lacey

as always it works both ways

Yes it goes both ways homey. The same people shitting on JC, his resume, and fighting ability, mysteriously excuse Hopkins for everything else.

Here is one major difference. BHOP really did wreck the middles from 1994-2004 didn't he? Was there any obvious guy he didn't face? With JC at 168 the story just isn't the same.

Here is another major difference. Hopkins didn't leave America for one single fight during that period. Between 1994 and 2004 he fought 18 opponents. 16 were American based. 1 was Canadian. So the only guy travelling from outside North America was - Hakkar. An average French alphabet ranked no.1 contender.

Calzaghe lived in Britain.
Ottke lived in Germany.
Liles/Nunn/Echols lived in America (these are pretty poor choices really).

It's blatantly obvious that matching fighters from different countries is far more problematic than when everyone is operating in the same place. Especially when these fighters are posing as "world" champion with their different pieces of alphabet.

It's fine to say no excuses these guys should have met. But it's clearly not that simple.

Actually it is. One gets credit for the fights one actually has and none for the ones one doesn't. Everything else is excuses or rationalizations.

[marbleheadmaui]

Joe Calzaghe was in his late 30s and 38 or so fights when he retired.


Andre Ward at the age of 27 in under 25 fights is on his way to building a better resume than Joe Calzaghe at super middleweight.

In 7 years Andre Ward has accomplished nearly as much if not more at Super Middleweight than Joe Calzaghe accomplished in 15 years at Super Middleweight and dismantled Mikkell Kessler who was the most skilled fighter at 168 even easier than Calzaghe did in his 21st fight.

Say what you will about how good Hopkins winning makes Calzaghe look. But the fact of the matter is Andre Ward is on the verge of putting himself ahead of Calzaghe in terms of history and resume before his 30th Birthday, or even before his 30th fight.

So say what you will about Calzaghe now, but there's someone in his division already close to eclipsing his accomplishments and biggest 'wins'.

The same cannot, and will not ever, be said of Hopkins. Especially not less than 2 years after he retires

And if Ward beats Froch.. then there is no question really who has the better Super Middleweight resume.

Actually to be honest, lets say Ward beats Froch(or Johnson) and Bute two fights he is extremely capable of winning. I have a feeling Calzaghe would come "out of retirement" and try to make a comeback fighting Ward. if the stories about the money he crapped away are true, then I can see it happening.

I have shat all over the 168 division since it's inception because more than any other the best seemed to find reasons not to fight one another over and over and over and over again until Calzaghe and kessler did.

But it looks like the Super Six winner will fight Bute and we'll have a legit THE MAN champ! It is a fresh start!

[roberto duran legend]

Calzaghe beat Hopkins did he not enough said .

[marbleheadmaui]

Calzaghe beat Hopkins did he not enough said .

Yup. And Kirkland Laing beat Roberto Duran. Your point?

[roberto duran legend]

Yeah i agree , the super six has had its problems but at least we can see the best fighting the best its a great concept .

[roberto duran legend]

Kirkland Laing is not in the same league .

[generalbulldog]

Speaking of Kirkland, he hasn't been around since he got into an argument with Lyle here. That fucker was funny.

[marbleheadmaui]

Kirkland Laing is not in the same league .

Again I am asking, what is your point? Because saying head to head results, even among fighters in the same league, determines some sort of ranking just doesn't wash in boxing. Styles make fights.

Marciano beat Ezzard twice, anyone rank Marciano higher?

[CommunistKevin]

It might have been a cheap win for calzhaghe but he did enough to get the decision.

[roberto duran legend]

My point is that Joe Calzaghe beat everyone he fought , ok some were mediocre , some good and some great , but he did win them all , not saying he is a legend , and i understand there is a much deeper pool of talent now than say 2 or 3 years ago , i would still take Calzaghe to beat ward IMO , he struggled against lesser opposition but always had his A game against the best he fought .

[roberto duran legend]

What do u class as a cheap win a win is a win , would it be a cheap win if Hopkins won ?? i dont think so .