Hopkins p4p ranking?

[JazMerkin]

Where was Pascal rated P4P before this fight? He certainly wasn't top 10.
Where did Froch get rated P4P after beating Pascal?

I agree with Fenster yet again in recent times. Strange to think that.

The fact Hopkin's didn't beat Pascal first time makes his case WORSE! P4P is about what is currently happening. Hopkins, who was not rated P4P before his last fight, loses it against a guy that was also not rated P4P. Yet Hopkins now qualifies as P4P by beating the very same fighter, who has never been ranked P4P.

You're all rating Hopkins on his history. You're giving him bonus points for being a pensioner. He is a surefire all-time-great. It doesn't mean he is currently among the worlds 10 best fighters let alone top 3.

I agree. Hopkins beat Pascal once and lost to Pascal once. Pascal wasn't ranked in the top twenty p4p fighters. Martinez beat Williams once and lost to Williams once. Williams was ranked in the 5 or 10 p4p fighters.

Pac
Martinez
Donaire
Hopkins
JMM

I agree with this list for the most part.

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That said, this win in no way puts him at 2 or 3. It's supposed to be a take on who is the best fighter on the planet regardless of weight. Age & lineal titles play little role, in fact even inactivity shouldn't, as it's originally not supposed to be the 'what have you done lately' popularity contest it's become. It seems to have become some kind of bizarre division of its own.

I think top 3 is fair. The criticisms you are levelling at Hopkins could just as easily be aimed at Martinez.

B Hops resume over last few years show huge upset wins over Taver, Pavlik and Pascal, plus wins over Winky Wright and Roy Jones, along with a draw to Pascal in which most thought he won, and a very close defeat to Calzaghe, again a fight many thought he won.

Contrast that with Martinez who won and lost to Paul Williams, beat Pavlik, drew with Kermit Cintron in a fight we all thought he should have won, and beat some decent little known light middle last time .out.

I would say even discarding the age factor Hopkins resume is better than Martinez. He beat Pavlik and.ruined him, beat two linear champs at 175 and in Calzaghe lost to a better fighter than Martinez has ever faced.

He's above Sergio for me on merit nothing to do with sentimentality over his age...

But, Hopkins lost to Pascal, an unranked p4p fighter in his fight before this one. And Pascal isn't that huge of a win. Pascal was unranked p4p. It's hard to remain top p4p with a loss in your second to last fight....unless, the loss is to another top p4p fighter.

Hopkins did not lose to Pascal, it was a draw where most thought he had won, much the same as Martinez draw with Cintron.

@Jazmerkin Your opinion that Hopkins would lose to Martinez is just that, an opinon, just as Pavliks ideal weight being 160 is an opinion also. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Pavlik fighting at supermiddleweight now? And did he not weigh in at 170 a couple weeks ago, same as against B Hop? You can just as easily argue 170 is his iseal weight, certainly Pavlik himself now seems to think so..

Anyway back to acomplishments, Hopkins has simply beaten better fighters.

Tarver,
Pavlik
Pascal,
Winky,
Jones Jr

compared to

Williams
Pavlik
Dzinzurik

Martinez also drew with Cintron and lost to Wiliams, Hopkins drew with Pascal and lost to Calzaghe.

His opposition is better across the board.

@Fenster, Pascal wasnt in many p4p lists, but Dawson certainly was and Pascal was coming off a win over him was he not?

How many of Martinez opponents have been p4p? Williams...and?

Hopkins beat Pavlik when he was p4p, Calzaghe was number 3 p4p and some of you think he won that fight.

Over his career yes, if you read what I said, he has a better resume. Recently, as in the last 2 years, Williams, Pavlik & Dzinziruk >>>> Ornelas, Jones Jr & Pascal.

You also seem to not realize that all p4p is based on is opinion. There are no empirical facts that determine the rankings