Prime ODLH beats Manny and floyd

[THE THIRD MAN]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

You could argue he beat Trinidad and Mosley in fight 2?

[JonesJrMayweather]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

You could argue he beat Trinidad and Mosley in fight 2?

Yes, but tito isn't slick, and SSM in the second fight at 154 was where he started to load up and only throw one or two punch combos. Basically getting away from the fighter he was to become the fighter that made his career harder than it had to be. The shane that fought Oscar at 147. I think would beat everyone mentioned in this thread.

[BlackRazor]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

You could argue he beat Trinidad and Mosley in fight 2?

Right, Oscar won some fights he probably didn't deserve to win as some have pointed out but he also "lost" these 2 where he probably didn't to deserve to as well.

He also took out (impressively!) a maybe not prime Vargas but still a tough guy where early on it looked like Vargas was too big & strong(he was probably on roids that night). That was a pretty big fight too as I recall in the months leading up to it.

[JonesJrMayweather]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

You could argue he beat Trinidad and Mosley in fight 2?

Right, Oscar won some fights he probably didn't deserve to win as some have pointed out but he also "lost" these 2 where he probably didn't to deserve to as well.

He also took out (impressively!) a maybe not prime Vargas but still a tough guy where early on it looked like Vargas was too big & strong(he was probably on roids that night). That was a pretty big fight too as I recall in the months leading up to it.

Yeah he did, but Vargas was ruined by Tito, and possibly brought on too fast and early in his career. Even Still Oscar would have beaten him no matter when they fought.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

You could argue he beat Trinidad and Mosley in fight 2?

Right, Oscar won some fights he probably didn't deserve to win as some have pointed out but he also "lost" these 2 where he probably didn't to deserve to as well.

He also took out (impressively!) a maybe not prime Vargas but still a tough guy where early on it looked like Vargas was too big & strong(he was probably on roids that night). That was a pretty big fight too as I recall in the months leading up to it.

Yeah he did, but Vargas was ruined by Tito, and possibly brought on too fast and early in his career. Even Still Oscar would have beaten him no matter when they fought.

lets not forget that Vargas was also roided up against DLH

but i disagree, IMO if they would have taken their time with Vargas he would have beaten both Trinidad and DLH, and possibly would have gone down as one of the best fighters at 154, just goes to show that you can't be great on talent alone, and that it only takes one fight to ruin a guy

[JonesJrMayweather]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

You could argue he beat Trinidad and Mosley in fight 2?

Right, Oscar won some fights he probably didn't deserve to win as some have pointed out but he also "lost" these 2 where he probably didn't to deserve to as well.

He also took out (impressively!) a maybe not prime Vargas but still a tough guy where early on it looked like Vargas was too big & strong(he was probably on roids that night). That was a pretty big fight too as I recall in the months leading up to it.

Yeah he did, but Vargas was ruined by Tito, and possibly brought on too fast and early in his career. Even Still Oscar would have beaten him no matter when they fought.

lets not forget that Vargas was also roided up against DLH

but i disagree, IMO if they would have taken their time with Vargas he would have beaten both Trinidad and DLH, and possibly would have gone down as one of the best fighters at 154, just goes to show that you can't be great on talent alone, and that it only takes one fight to ruin a guy

If you mean, taken their time before putting him the ring with the big guns? Then yeah he would have been better against them because they would have been old and declining. Tito I think beats him anyway because of that power. And Oscar would outbox him, and because of that power.

[ElTerribleMorales]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

You could argue he beat Trinidad and Mosley in fight 2?

Right, Oscar won some fights he probably didn't deserve to win as some have pointed out but he also "lost" these 2 where he probably didn't to deserve to as well.

He also took out (impressively!) a maybe not prime Vargas but still a tough guy where early on it looked like Vargas was too big & strong(he was probably on roids that night). That was a pretty big fight too as I recall in the months leading up to it.

Yeah he did, but Vargas was ruined by Tito, and possibly brought on too fast and early in his career. Even Still Oscar would have beaten him no matter when they fought.

lets not forget that Vargas was also roided up against DLH

but i disagree, IMO if they would have taken their time with Vargas he would have beaten both Trinidad and DLH, and possibly would have gone down as one of the best fighters at 154, just goes to show that you can't be great on talent alone, and that it only takes one fight to ruin a guy

If you mean, taken their time before putting him the ring with the big guns? Then yeah he would have been better against them because they would have been old and declining. Tito I think beats him anyway because of that power. And Oscar would outbox him, and because of that power.

but if you really break down both fights Vargas just wasn't ready to deal with either guy, against Trinidad he was like what? 22-0? the fact that he had already beat Campas, Quartey, and Wright (even if controversially) is even more impressive, Vargas wasn't mentally ready for either fight, physically he was mature but not mentally, not by a long shot, the way he'd pout his lips prior the Trinidad fight shows this

[JonesJrMayweather]

Oscar has never beaten an A+ slick fighter in their prime. Floyd would beat him. Hell if people want to say ODLH beat Sweet Pea, then I'll argue that he lost to Quartey.

You could argue he beat Trinidad and Mosley in fight 2?

Right, Oscar won some fights he probably didn't deserve to win as some have pointed out but he also "lost" these 2 where he probably didn't to deserve to as well.

He also took out (impressively!) a maybe not prime Vargas but still a tough guy where early on it looked like Vargas was too big & strong(he was probably on roids that night). That was a pretty big fight too as I recall in the months leading up to it.

Yeah he did, but Vargas was ruined by Tito, and possibly brought on too fast and early in his career. Even Still Oscar would have beaten him no matter when they fought.

lets not forget that Vargas was also roided up against DLH

but i disagree, IMO if they would have taken their time with Vargas he would have beaten both Trinidad and DLH, and possibly would have gone down as one of the best fighters at 154, just goes to show that you can't be great on talent alone, and that it only takes one fight to ruin a guy

If you mean, taken their time before putting him the ring with the big guns? Then yeah he would have been better against them because they would have been old and declining. Tito I think beats him anyway because of that power. And Oscar would outbox him, and because of that power.

but if you really break down both fights Vargas just wasn't ready to deal with either guy, against Trinidad he was like what? 22-0? the fact that he had already beat Campas, Quartey, and Wright (even if controversially) is even more impressive, Vargas wasn't mentally ready for either fight, physically he was mature but not mentally, not by a long shot, the way he'd pout his lips prior the Trinidad fight shows this

I agree 100%. They brought him along too fast. The only way he beats them is if he'd been given a few more fights, but then they would have been older. So that also would have helped.