Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
lol - I'm now getting shit for my faulty P4P criteria. It's not mine it's Bilbos. Personally I believe in judging talent/skills/ability as much as resumes considering P4P is mythical nonsense. As this debate shows - Martinez will never be regarded above Hopkins overall yet he clearly is above Hopkins on current form. And that is it. Fact.

Well if you are only going to compare recent form then Hopkins is undefeated having gone 4-0-1 in his last five.

Martinez is 3-1-1

So your argument that past achievements don't count makes no sense either. I presume Hopkins would have been in your p4p prior to fighting Joe? He should have been coming off a majestic win over Tarver and he only lost a disputed decision to Calzaghe, by unanimous consensus the p4p number 3 at that time.

Since then he's not lost a fight and scored two outstanding wins against Pavlik and Pascal, and arguably beat Pascal twice.

Martinez has only fought one really good fighter, Paul Williams (who had already been beaten by a B list fighter in Carlos Quintana) and he went 1-1 with him.

Hopkins opposition has simply been better.