Hopkins p4p ranking?

[Kev]

Bilbo - Was Pascal P4P when he DREW with the old boy? No. Was the old boy P4P? No. Were either P4P Saturday? No.

The Pavlik and Calzaghe fights were three years ago. Since then Hopkins has fought three guys NOT rated P4P - Ornales, virtually dead Roy and Carl Froch victim Pascal.

P4P is about current events. Just because you've got a free bus pass, it doesn't mean you can beat a decent fighter and dive into the top 3.

Jermain Taylor entered the top 10 P4P with his win over Hopkins. He was kicked out BEFORE he ever lost a fight.

P4P is nonsense. You're all currently favouring BHOP just because he's BHOP. Fact.

If its about current events why is Pascal a Carl Froch victim and not a Chad Dawson conquerer?

Martinez is better because he beat a Hopkins victim, a Quintana victim and drew with a Margarito victim? Is this your argument?

Well I haven't even been arguing a case for Martinez but he is EASILY above Hopkins.

This is how the performances compare over their last 5 fights.

Martinez
Kermit Cintron - top ranked KO artist. Martinez wins KO 7.
Paul Williams - P4P rated. Martinez loses a MD (robbery).
Kelly Pavlik - Lineal 160 champ. Martinez wins by landslide UD.
Paul Williams - P4P rated. Martinez wins KO 2.
Sergiy Dzinziruk - unbeaten longtime WBO champ. Martinez wins KO 8.

Hopkins
Kelly Pavlik - 10lbs above prime weight. Hopkins wins UD.
Enrique Ornelas - Borderline journeyman. Hopkins wins UD.
Roy Jones Jr - Corpse. Hopkins wins UD.
Jean Pascal - Hopkins gets dropped twice. Draw.
Jean Pascal - Hopkins wins UD.

Martinez has not only faced by far the stronger opposition he is WINNING in a far more impressive fashion. Hopkins can't even stop dead men, journeymen and guys he's dragged WAY above their optimum weight. Martinez is DESTROYING P4P rated guys, unbeaten guys and deadly punchers.

Hopkins over Martinez? Laughable. Fact.

Haha so now we're changing official results to back up our arguments eh. Boxrec tells me Cintron D12, sorry about that.

As for the first Williams fight being a robbery, again your just having to exaggerate to make a case. I can do that too, Hopkins Calzaghe loss = robbery, Pascal draw = robbery.

As for your other points. Pavlik 10lbs above prime weight? Really? Tell me what weighed in his last fight then? I think it was 170. Although I guess that only became his prime weight after Martine beat him and somehow after that he became a 10 lb heavier man. Thyroid problem perhaps...

As for dragging people up beyond their weight, how what was dziniruks rating as a middleweight? Oh I forget, he hadnt ever fought there, being a career light middle. This was different to when Hopkins drags guys up though because you have to right I guess.

So to summise. Martinez drew with a Margarito ko victim. He beat Pavlik coming off a lopsided loss to Hopkins. He knocked out Paul Williams (a Quintana victim) but also was beat in their first fight, and he defended his title against a completely unknown 154lb champ who for some reason is regarded as some kind of yardstick for p4p greatness.

Martinez has a grwat win over Williams to go with a defeat, and a decent win over an alcholic Pavlik who had been mentally destroyed by Hopkins.

Beating Tarver, Pavlik and Pascal is simply better than Williams, Pavlik and Dzinziruk imo.

I hope Martinex mans up and fights Hopkins at 170. That would be a great catchweight limit, an d then pops can show you how an all time legend performs against Martinez? hands down, I dont need to defend style...