WTF is PBF demanding w/ those Blood Tests???

[Hornfinger]

@Horn - Can you give me a quick point breakdown, i'm lost to what point you currently trying to make?

The thread is huge and tons of back and forth... So the important stuff is like a needle in a hay stack right now...

yup no problem mate

i maintain my arguement because not one of you pactards have been able to put a dent in it. Not one little bit.

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)


i cannot make it any plainer or simpler than that.

please read through this properly before coming up with another stupid reply that will mearly require me copying and pasting a section of this into another post and making you look like even more of a retard than you already are.

That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.

Fan johnny has given some good arguements.

PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points

Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.

That is the small and skinny of it thus far.

[InTheNeutralCorner]

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

Not true. Manny has passed all the blood test that was required. If you are talking about the random drug test that Floyd demanded, then you're correct. Manny and almost every boxer out there haven't passed it. But the fault does not lie with Manny anymore after the second negotiation since he agreed to it and Floyd is the one who backed out of the fight.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

Even if true, what can you do about it? Until they come up with the updated test, I have to be content with what is in place. If someone is not content with that and thinks all the athletes are dirty, they might as well get their interest out of that sport.

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)

Fan johnny exposed you for not knowing what you are talking about. If the NSAC don't do a good enough job, what can you do about it? Why don't you petition yourself to be their commissioner?

[Hornfinger]

pac hasn't passed a blood test so i don't know if he's clean (and that goes for every other athlete who hasn't passed random testing) sorry his word isn't good enough for me.

Not true. Manny has passed all the blood test that was required. If you are talking about the random drug test that Floyd demanded, then you're correct. Manny and almost every boxer out there haven't passed it. But the fault does not lie with Manny anymore after the second negotiation since he agreed to it and Floyd is the one who backed out of the fight.

testing in the sport is out of date and not good enough

Even if true, what can you do about it? Until they come up with the updated test, I have to be contented with what is in place. If someone is not contented with that and thinks all the athletes are dirty, they might as well get their interest out of that sport.

nevada state athletic commission don't do a good enough job and don't have the funding to do proper testing on athletes (thanks for backing up that point fanfuck johnny)

Fanjohnny exposed you for not knowing what you are talking about. If the NSAC don't do a good enough job, what can you do about it? Why don't you petition yourself to be their commissioner?

Finally!!

I only had to post it 3 times!

Pacs word isn't good enough for me and your reply to that is 'not true' hahahahaha! It's a poor reply to be honest. and you have made no dent in the first point. But yes I am correct, pac and 99.9% of other fighters havn't passed a random test during the run up to a contest and that's why I don't believe they are clean.

So what your saying is if I can't do anything about it I shouldn't care about it. I should just stop talking about it and ignore it? Absolutely pathetic. That might be a great way of life for you but if I have a problem with something I say I have a problem. You just carry on being contented as long as it suits your pacquiao. Just shows you're a pac fan not a boxing fan.

Stay on track. Fan johnny showed us a document that said NSAC couldn't do the testing it wanted to do because lack of funding. Thats a fact. And to me that says testing isn't good enough. And like I said in the last paragraph if I see their being a problem with something I say, even if it does upset blinkered pac fans that live in their pac centered world.

[cnote111]

That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.

Fan johnny has given some good arguements.

PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points

Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.

That is the small and skinny of it thus far.

Ok, just so i don't muck this up...

This is you:
1. Pac has not passed a blood test along with any other fighter that hasn't taken random blood testing. And for you that causes a great deal of distrust.
2. Drug Testing is out of date
3. NSAC is short on funds to make this better.

My response:
1. Year round olympic style is the closest full proof method. No one in professional boxing has done true olympic year round testing (which i'm for) including PBF. He has had some random blood testing and i'm sure there are other fighters that have had unscheduled blood tests and passed. However with no professional boxer is subject to year round olympic style testing this should not instill instant guilt or lack of trust. It means nothing until the system changes. They are fighters competiting in the current system. No reason to be upset about that, right?
2. Yes, not our problem - We are not competiting
3. Yes, what can anyone do about it?

[Hornfinger]

That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.

Fan johnny has given some good arguements.

PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points

Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.

That is the small and skinny of it thus far.

Ok, just so i don't muck this up...

This is you:
1. Pac has not passed a blood test along with any other fighter that hasn't taken random blood testing. And for you that causes a great deal of distrust.
2. Drug Testing is out of date
3. NSAC is short on funds to make this better.

My response:
1. Year round olympic style is the closest full proof method. No one in professional boxing has done true olympic year round testing (which i'm for) including PBF. He has had some random blood testing and i'm sure there are other fighters that have had unscheduled blood tests and passed. However with no professional boxer is subject to year round olympic style testing this should not instill instant guilt or lack of trust. It means nothing until the system changes. They are fighters competiting in the current system. No reason to be upset about that, right?
2. Yes, not our problem - We are not competiting
3. Yes, what can anyone do about it?

#

You've been able to do in one post what neutral corner hasn't been able to do for 17 pages, and that is address the points. For that I commend you.

1. I stated in a previous post that floyd and shane were clean for their fight. fights before or after that don't included random testing have a question mark. That is my point of view.

2. No we're not but we are the consumer buying PPVs, gambling etc. We should demand/expect fair and even contests. Just cuz I'm not competing doesn't mean I shouldn't care about fairness etc. It's very easy to be apathetic towards the issue, i choose not to be

3. The boxers can do alot about it. Especially the high profile ones that conduct the big money. If they all start demanding random testing etc you'd see it implemented very quickley. As fans it's obviously alot harder to make your voice heard.

[cnote111]

That is my stance. And in my opinion no one has given me any good reason or argument why I should change that point of view.

Fan johnny has given some good arguements.

PSL has been a tyopical blinkered pac fan and put forward some absolutely stupid points

Neutral corner keeps saying i'm discredited but instead of actually saying how or why I'm discredited he starts talking about floyd mayweather.

That is the small and skinny of it thus far.

Ok, just so i don't muck this up...

This is you:
1. Pac has not passed a blood test along with any other fighter that hasn't taken random blood testing. And for you that causes a great deal of distrust.
2. Drug Testing is out of date
3. NSAC is short on funds to make this better.

My response:
1. Year round olympic style is the closest full proof method. No one in professional boxing has done true olympic year round testing (which i'm for) including PBF. He has had some random blood testing and i'm sure there are other fighters that have had unscheduled blood tests and passed. However with no professional boxer is subject to year round olympic style testing this should not instill instant guilt or lack of trust. It means nothing until the system changes. They are fighters competiting in the current system. No reason to be upset about that, right?
2. Yes, not our problem - We are not competiting
3. Yes, what can anyone do about it?

#

You've been able to do in one post what neutral corner hasn't been able to do for 17 pages, and that is address the points. For that I commend you.

1. I stated in a previous post that floyd and shane were clean for their fight. fights before or after that don't included random testing have a question mark. That is my point of view.

2. No we're not but we are the consumer buying PPVs, gambling etc. We should demand/expect fair and even contests. Just cuz I'm not competing doesn't mean I shouldn't care about fairness etc. It's very easy to be apathetic towards the issue, i choose not to be

3. The boxers can do alot about it. Especially the high profile ones that conduct the big money. If they all start demanding random testing etc you'd see it implemented very quickley. As fans it's obviously alot harder to make your voice heard.

I've been on here a long time, i just don't post very often because i don't want to get drawn into a multiquote battle.

None the less.

1. A fair point of view, but a "?" does not = distrust or guilt. It falls under the current standard practice and should be acceptable until changed.
example: I test brake parts as a part of day job, if a customer sends me a part and says it is defective and i test it under all manufacturer specifications and tell them that there is nothing wrong with it. It would be inappropriate for them to attack me with distrust or with aggressive accusations because i am currently following the guidlines set in place.
2. You can fight the good fight; however, "Don't hate the playa, hate the game"

3. Why would the fighters ask for more drug testing whether they are clean or not. I just dont think they care nearly has much as you.

[Hornfinger]

I've been on here a long time, i just don't post very often because i don't want to get drawn into a multiquote battle.

None the less.

1. A fair point of view, but a "?" does not = distrust or guilt. It falls under the current standard practice and should be acceptable until changed.
example: I test brake parts as a part of day job, if a customer sends me a part and says it is defective and i test it under all manufacturer specifications and tell them that there is nothing wrong with it. It would be inappropriate for them to attack me with distrust or with aggressive accusations because i am currently following the guidlines set in place.
2. You can fight the good fight; however, "Don't hate the playa, hate the game"

3. Why would the fighters ask for more drug testing whether they are clean or not. I just dont think they care nearly has much as you.

Yes I try to ease off the multi quotes, however some, particularly on this thread, live by them.

Nope you are right a ? doesn't = guilt neccassarily BUT in my view it sn't acceptable. But that's just my view.

Do your break tests cover all new break designs? Have any of your customers crashed after your tests? I would guess the answers would be yes and no. Urine testing will not detect modern steroids and PEDS. If your tests did test modern breaks sufficiantly I'm guessing your practices would be changed rght away.

I don't hate the player. I've said i think ALL ATHLETES in ALL sports who haven't been tested have a ? over them. I don't hate the game either. I love the sport BUT I don't like the commisions, promotors and politics of it.

I think fighters don't kick up a fuss for a number of reasons. All reasons lead back to two things. Money and Steroid Cheat. Money being the main one.

[fan johnny]

Yes I try to ease off the multi quotes, however some, particularly on this thread, live by them.

Nope you are right a ? doesn't = guilt neccassarily BUT in my view it sn't acceptable. But that's just my view.

Do your break tests cover all new break designs? Have any of your customers crashed after your tests? I would guess the answers would be yes and no. Urine testing will not detect modern steroids and PEDS. If your tests did test modern breaks sufficiantly I'm guessing your practices would be changed rght away.

I don't hate the player. I've said i think ALL ATHLETES in ALL sports who haven't been tested have a ? over them. I don't hate the game either. I love the sport BUT I don't like the commisions, promotors and politics of it.

I think fighters don't kick up a fuss for a number of reasons. All reasons lead back to two things. Money and Steroid Cheat. Money being the main one.

Or how about they just don't give a fuk!

[Hornfinger]

Or how about they just don't give a fuk!

Cuz alot are juicing and it would make life harder for them. I Agree.

If you really think that fighters, sports athletes don't care about fairness in their sport then you really must be retarded.