Douglas manhandles Tyson

[marbleheadmaui]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

[Mars_ax]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

I had just moved my family into an Apartment in Corpus Christi, Texas, in 1990, and didn't have HBO hooked up yet, so I actually rented a room for the night at a local motel that had HBO, hooked up my 8 track recorder to their TV and taped the fight as I watched it. I was loving every minute of the fight, Iron Mike gets his ass kicked for the first time as a Pro. I will say this for Tyson, he showed some heart & chin in that fight, Douglas was hitting him with some fucking bombs and except for the end of the last round he took it all, and kept trying to win.

As for the mental thing, in boxing (and life in general) that's something you always have to deal with, boxing is at least 50% mental, no? Prior to Douglas, Tyson had been blitzing though his opponents like Grant taking Vicksburg and he underestimated Douglas's skills and determination. I love watching fights, when the underdog, or the lamb being lead to the slaughter says: "you ain't gonna kick my ass tonight", and dishes out a beating to his "invincible" opponent.

BTW, Douglas just barely beat the count, he was up, just as the ref, Octavio Chihuahua, was about to count 10.

[Master]

As inspired a performance that was from Douglas, you have to admit that Tyson was not the same boxer who wiped out Berbick, Thomas, Biggs and Spinks. He had little head movement and his technique was gone. He only survived that long because of his chin. I read that Tyson had syphilis went back to the US, he was not training right, Weaver had knocked him down in sparring. Tyson was an accident waiting to happen.

[roberto duran legend]

So much BULLSHIT around Tyson ,never beat anyone. Most hyped fighter in history.

[Mars_ax]

So much BULLSHIT around Tyson ,never beat anyone. Most hyped fighter in history.

I'm not Tyson fan at all, but during his "prime" years, I would have given him a shot a beating any HW in the history of boxing. He was a force to be reckoned with.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

fast hands,fast feet. He would give many a plodding heavyweights a nightmare.

[Nameless]

Tyson lost against Douglas because he thought it would be a walk in the park and didn't train in consequence at all. Result: a very bad awakening and then a deflated invincibility halo.

[Mars_ax]

fast hands,fast feet. He would give many a plodding heavyweights a nightmare.

Yup, and one punch KO power, people can say what they want about Tyson's annihilation of Larry Holmes for example, Holmes was old, didn't get a chance to train et al, but nobody EVER manhandled Holmes the way Tyson did in that fight.

It's easy now to say that Tyson was an over hyped, piece of shit, but I used to hang out, drink beer & talk boxing with some old Pros back when Tyson was at his best, and more then a few of them said at that time, Tyson was the best HW ever.

Douglas fights Tyson a year or so earlier, and I bet Douglas wouldn't have lasted 3 rounds, and i'd also bet Douglas would have gotten his ass torn up in a rematch.

[generalbulldog]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

Great video!!!!!!!
Damn! I never realised how clear Buster actually looks, I always thought he was lucky to hear the bell, I mean he obviously was to some extent as Mike was probably pumped and ready to finish the job but blimey, bad case of blinkered vision there....

[Mars_ax]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

I remember Don King and Tyson talking about filing a protest and getting a reversal over the count issue, which in my mind was just sour grapes. Even if Tyson had beaten the count, he was out on his feet at that point and Douglas would have destroyed him.

The only real controversy, was in the minds of King and Tyson, who were pissed because they blew the HW title to a 42-1 underdog.

[JonesJrMayweather]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

So that means Tyson won, because Douglass was counted out first.

[marbleheadmaui]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

So that means Tyson won, because Douglass was counted out first.

What part of "follow the ref's count" is ambiguous?

Go watch films with a stopwatch in your hands. Most ten counts in history run 13-14 seconds by the clock.

[JonesJrMayweather]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

So that means Tyson won, because Douglass was counted out first.

What part of "follow the ref's count" is ambiguous?

Go watch films with a stopwatch in your hands. Most ten counts in history run 13-14 seconds by the clock.

Wasn't an argument, just saying that if saying both counts were the same, the douglass was counted out in round 8. And the Tyson KD never exists. But I don't care, I was pulling for Douglass that night. Also if you look at this video you can clearly see the the ring counter dude is actually one second ahead of the ref. the ref never picked up the count on the correct number.


at the 2:54 mark the guy starts counting wearing the white gloves.

[ross]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

In amateur boxing the count is based on seconds. When a fighter gets dropped the time keeper starts a timer, the ref looks to the timekeeper to get where the count is and carries it on. I think youll find it is supposed to be actually 10 seconds, otherwise whats stopping Steven Hawkins becoming a tef and giving a 2 minute 10 count

Its all to do with incompetant refs or a time keeper not doing his job.