Douglas manhandles Tyson

[marbleheadmaui]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

In amateur boxing the count is based on seconds. When a fighter gets dropped the time keeper starts a timer, the ref looks to the timekeeper to get where the count is and carries it on. I think youll find it is supposed to be actually 10 seconds, otherwise whats stopping Steven Hawkins becoming a tef and giving a 2 minute 10 count

Its all to do with incompetant refs or a time keeper not doing his job.

Then throughout history we've had incompetent refs. Most counts are actually 13-14 seconds. It is what it is.

[brocktonblockbust]

bad break for tyson there in the 8th round. had he won, whole course of heavyweight history woulda been different

[ross]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

In amateur boxing the count is based on seconds. When a fighter gets dropped the time keeper starts a timer, the ref looks to the timekeeper to get where the count is and carries it on. I think youll find it is supposed to be actually 10 seconds, otherwise whats stopping Steven Hawkins becoming a tef and giving a 2 minute 10 count

Its all to do with incompetant refs or a time keeper not doing his job.

Then throughout history we've had incompetent refs. Most counts are actually 13-14 seconds. It is what it is.

Yep, well the difference is, in amateur boxing, you have a fair sport, where rules are adhered to and fights are fair with evenly matched opponents. Where as professional boxing is a business. Rounds are won based on who the judge "thinks" looked better and everything is interpratation, the refs interpratation of the rules like allowing some fighters to hold and not doing the count properly and again, the judges interpratation of what deems a fighter the winner of a round.

If Ward were fighting another pro but with amateur judges and ref, first, he wouldnt win many rounds, or not as many as he does and second, he wouldnt get away with all that holding and mauling. Hed be warned, have points deducted and made to actually fight.

Alot of refs and judges are in promoters pockets and get treated very well, when in town to work a fight.

[marbleheadmaui]

The great fiction of this fight is that Douglas got a "long count." First off, ref's counts are rarely ten seconds, they are instead ten counts. Second the fighter's job is to follow the ref's count, whatever it is. Third, Buster pretty clearly could have gotten up 6-7 seconds (by a clock) after he got dropped. Lastly, the Douglas count was 14 seconds. But guess what Tyson's count was? The same 14 seconds.

As for Tyson not being "mentally prepared?" As irrelevant as Dempsey's mental condition before Tunney, Ray Leonard's before Duran or Robinson's before Turpin. Part of the game. The guy who handles the outside pressures better as an edge.

Still shocking to see.

In amateur boxing the count is based on seconds. When a fighter gets dropped the time keeper starts a timer, the ref looks to the timekeeper to get where the count is and carries it on. I think youll find it is supposed to be actually 10 seconds, otherwise whats stopping Steven Hawkins becoming a tef and giving a 2 minute 10 count

Its all to do with incompetant refs or a time keeper not doing his job.

Then throughout history we've had incompetent refs. Most counts are actually 13-14 seconds. It is what it is.

Yep, well the difference is, in amateur boxing, you have a fair sport, where rules are adhered to and fights are fair with evenly matched opponents. Where as professional boxing is a business. Rounds are won based on who the judge "thinks" looked better and everything is interpratation, the refs interpratation of the rules like allowing some fighters to hold and not doing the count properly and again, the judges interpratation of what deems a fighter the winner of a round.

If Ward were fighting another pro but with amateur judges and ref, first, he wouldnt win many rounds, or not as many as he does and second, he wouldnt get away with all that holding and mauling. Hed be warned, have points deducted and made to actually fight.

Alot of refs and judges are in promoters pockets and get treated very well, when in town to work a fight.

Amateur boxing is nearly a joke with the current scoring system. Body shots basically don't count and neither does most infighting. The idea that you think old men with electreonic buttons eliminates the subjectivity of judging is also pretty funny.

But since Douglas-Tyson wasn't an amteur match? Entirely irrelevant.