Would Ortiz have been a better opponent for Manny than Marquez?

[Rantcatrat]

Marquez would only be a better opponent if he was fighting @ 140 or below.

So, what you're saying is that you would have preferred to see Manny in with Ortiz all other things being equal.

As Taeth and Finito said, all things being equal, JMM at 145 is tougher FOR Manny than Ortiz at 147.

[JazMerkin]

I don't know if Marquez is necessarily harder at that weight. I think Ortiz will cause Mayweather some problems though, so what do I know

[AdamGB]

Basically what we have is Manny fighting a guy who is starting to look older at a weight that they aren't comfortable with.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Marquez would only be a better opponent if he was fighting @ 140 or below.

So, what you're saying is that you would have preferred to see Manny in with Ortiz all other things being equal.

As Taeth and Finito said, all things being equal, JMM at 145 is tougher FOR Manny than Ortiz at 147.

No it isn't, Marquez is way on his way down the slide and so fighting 10 pounds north of a weight that he is pretty much maxed out at is just daft.

Marquez will get blown out inside of 5 rounds this time around. I really don't undersatnd why these two still remain linked just beacuse they had two close fights at 126 & 130.... But now 145?!

Manny has moved way off Marquez' radar IMO, Ortiz might of been killed by Pac-Man but Marquez is gonna get killed, quickly.

[Rantcatrat]

Marquez would only be a better opponent if he was fighting @ 140 or below.

So, what you're saying is that you would have preferred to see Manny in with Ortiz all other things being equal.

As Taeth and Finito said, all things being equal, JMM at 145 is tougher FOR Manny than Ortiz at 147.

No it isn't, Marquez is way on his way down the slide and so fighting 10 pounds north of a weight that he is pretty much maxed out at is just daft.

Marquez will get blown out inside of 5 rounds this time around. I really don't undersatnd why these two still remain linked just beacuse they had two close fights at 126 & 130.... But now 145?!

Manny has moved way off Marquez' radar IMO, Ortiz might of been killed by Pac-Man but Marquez is gonna get killed, quickly.

That's a fair opinion. We can agree to disagree.

The question was which one would have been a tougher fight and from what I gather, you believe it would be Ortiz.

Marquez as only been seen once above 135 and that was against Mayweather who is the world's best fighter at that weight. IMO that doesn't mean he is ineffective against other people above 135, especially against another boxer who he has had a lot of success against. I also believe that sometimes a boxer just has another boxer's number and that Marquez just has Manny's number to an extent.

Recall also that Marquez came into the fight against Kastidis at 145 even though the fight was at lightweight and that Pacquiao came into the fight against Mosley at 145 (right?). So in a way even though they were fighting at two different weight classes they still weighed the same come time for their last fights. I can see the argument that Marquez isn't as effective at 145 regardless of what weight class he is fighting in. He had more trouble with Kastidis than I thought he would.

[:::PSL:::]

Marquez would only be a better opponent if he was fighting @ 140 or below.

So, what you're saying is that you would have preferred to see Manny in with Ortiz all other things being equal.

As Taeth and Finito said, all things being equal, JMM at 145 is tougher FOR Manny than Ortiz at 147.

No it isn't, Marquez is way on his way down the slide and so fighting 10 pounds north of a weight that he is pretty much maxed out at is just daft.

Marquez will get blown out inside of 5 rounds this time around. I really don't undersatnd why these two still remain linked just beacuse they had two close fights at 126 & 130.... But now 145?!

Manny has moved way off Marquez' radar IMO, Ortiz might of been killed by Pac-Man but Marquez is gonna get killed, quickly.

That's a fair opinion. We can agree to disagree.

The question was which one would have been a tougher fight and from what I gather, you believe it would be Ortiz.

Marquez as only been seen once above 135 and that was against Mayweather who is the world's best fighter at that weight. IMO that doesn't mean he is ineffective against other people above 135, especially against another boxer who he has had a lot of success against. I also believe that sometimes a boxer just has another boxer's number and that Marquez just has Manny's number to an extent.

Recall also that Marquez came into the fight against Kastidis at 145 even though the fight was at lightweight and that Pacquiao came into the fight against Mosley at 145 (right?). So in a way even though they were fighting at two different weight classes they still weighed the same come time for their last fights. I can see the argument that Marquez isn't as effective at 145 regardless of what weight class he is fighting in. He had more trouble with Kastidis than I thought he would.

In your honest opinion. Who do you think is gonna win?...

Pacquiao or Marquez?

[InTheNeutralCorner]

Marquez would only be a better opponent if he was fighting @ 140 or below.

So, what you're saying is that you would have preferred to see Manny in with Ortiz all other things being equal.

As Taeth and Finito said, all things being equal, JMM at 145 is tougher FOR Manny than Ortiz at 147.

No it isn't, Marquez is way on his way down the slide and so fighting 10 pounds north of a weight that he is pretty much maxed out at is just daft.

Marquez will get blown out inside of 5 rounds this time around. I really don't undersatnd why these two still remain linked just beacuse they had two close fights at 126 & 130.... But now 145?!

Manny has moved way off Marquez' radar IMO, Ortiz might of been killed by Pac-Man but Marquez is gonna get killed, quickly.

That's a fair opinion. We can agree to disagree.

The question was which one would have been a tougher fight and from what I gather, you believe it would be Ortiz.

Marquez as only been seen once above 135 and that was against Mayweather who is the world's best fighter at that weight. IMO that doesn't mean he is ineffective against other people above 135, especially against another boxer who he has had a lot of success against. I also believe that sometimes a boxer just has another boxer's number and that Marquez just has Manny's number to an extent.

Recall also that Marquez came into the fight against Kastidis at 145 even though the fight was at lightweight and that Pacquiao came into the fight against Mosley at 145 (right?). So in a way even though they were fighting at two different weight classes they still weighed the same come time for their last fights. I can see the argument that Marquez isn't as effective at 145 regardless of what weight class he is fighting in. He had more trouble with Kastidis than I thought he would.

I am curious as to why Marquez would rehydrate to 145 if he does not think that's his ideal fighting weight. What was his fighting weight in his last 5 fights? Does anyone know?

[Rantcatrat]

Recall also that Marquez came into the fight against Kastidis at 145 even though the fight was at lightweight and that Pacquiao came into the fight against Mosley at 145 (right?)

I am curious as to why Marquez would rehydrate to 145 if he does not think that's his ideal fighting weight. What was his fighting weight in his last 5 fights? Does anyone know?

Well, my thinking is that take Ortiz, Ortiz weighs in at 147, but on the night of the fight, he weighs 160ish. That would be a big weight disadvantage if you were Marquez. However, in Pacquiao's case he comes in at 145ish too. So, it's not the same disadvantage as it would be with other welterweights.