Let's be realistic - what are the odds that Haye pulls off an upset?

[Hornfinger]

I think the odds are quite poor for a Haye KO win. 2/1? I thought it'd be more like 5/1

Also Haye by decision in germany should be at least 1000/1

[erics44]

if haye wins it is only a minor upset

[Mars_ax]

if haye wins it is only a minor upset

Come on Erics, outside of the dream world you seem to live in when it comes to Haye, this would have to be considered a major upset in the sport of boxing.

[El Kabong]

Have fun being wrong matt

[erics44]

if haye wins it is only a minor upset

Come on Erics, outside of the dream world you seem to live in when it comes Haye, this would have to be considered a major upset in the sport of boxing.

by major what do you mean? liken it to another upset

[marbleheadmaui]

if haye wins it is only a minor upset

Come on Erics, outside of the dream world you seem to live in when it comes Haye, this would have to be considered a major upset in the sport of boxing.

by major what do you mean? liken it to another upset

I was thinking about this last night. Ali over Liston was what I came up with. The oddsmakers don't agree with me, but that's how shocked I'd be. I think Haye is thoroughly overmatched.

This would be one of the 5-6 biggest surprises to me in my boxing life.

Ali over Foreman (I was rooting for it, just didn't think it was possible)
Leon Spinks over Ali
Kirkland Laing over Duran (Kirkland freaking Liang?)
The Ragamuffin Man over Donald Curry
Salvador Sanchez (who?) over Danny Little Red Lopez
Vilomar Fernandez over Alexis Arguello

If Haye wins? This fight goes on that list.

[Fenster]

if haye wins it is only a minor upset

Come on Erics, outside of the dream world you seem to live in when it comes Haye, this would have to be considered a major upset in the sport of boxing.

by major what do you mean? liken it to another upset

I was thinking about this last night. Ali over Liston was what I came up with. The oddsmakers don't agree with me, but that's how shocked I'd be. I think Haye is thoroughly overmatched.

This would be one of the 5-6 biggest surprises to me in my boxing life.

Ali over Foreman (I was rooting for it, just didn't think it was possible)
Leon Spinks over Ali
Kirkland Laing over Duran (Kirkland freaking Liang?)
The Ragamuffin Man over Donald Curry
Salvador Sanchez (who?) over Danny Little Red Lopez
Vilomar Fernandez over Alexis Arguello

If Haye wins? This fight goes on that list.

The 5th/6th biggest upset you've ever seen?

Man... during your life, with your expertise, if you put your money where your mouth is you'd have made an absolute fortune. Trust me.

[marbleheadmaui]

if haye wins it is only a minor upset

Come on Erics, outside of the dream world you seem to live in when it comes Haye, this would have to be considered a major upset in the sport of boxing.

by major what do you mean? liken it to another upset

I was thinking about this last night. Ali over Liston was what I came up with. The oddsmakers don't agree with me, but that's how shocked I'd be. I think Haye is thoroughly overmatched.

This would be one of the 5-6 biggest surprises to me in my boxing life.

Ali over Foreman (I was rooting for it, just didn't think it was possible)
Leon Spinks over Ali
Kirkland Laing over Duran (Kirkland freaking Liang?)
The Ragamuffin Man over Donald Curry
Salvador Sanchez (who?) over Danny Little Red Lopez
Vilomar Fernandez over Alexis Arguello

If Haye wins? This fight goes on that list.

The 5th/6th biggest upset you've ever seen?

Man... during your life, with your expertise, if you put your money where your mouth is you'd have made an absolute fortune. Trust me.

LOL! Knowing boxing history and being able to see things in advance are very different things. I had JMM, Oscar, Diaz, Hatton and Cotto all beating Manny!

Hell I had Hagler over Leonard and Mancini over Bramble!

[Mars_ax]

if haye wins it is only a minor upset

Come on Erics, outside of the dream world you seem to live in when it comes to Haye, this would have to be considered a major upset in the sport of boxing.

by major what do you mean? liken it to another upset

I wouldn't put it in the same category as say, Tyson - Douglas, but Lewis - Rahman I, comes to mind. If Haye KOs Wlad this would have to be one of the bigger HW upsets in years.
I think the main reason you believe it would not be a big upset, is you're overrating Haye and underrating Wlad.

[erics44]

if haye wins it is only a minor upset

Come on Erics, outside of the dream world you seem to live in when it comes to Haye, this would have to be considered a major upset in the sport of boxing.

by major what do you mean? liken it to another upset

I wouldn't put it in the same category as say, Tyson - Douglas, but Lewis - Rahman I, comes to mind. If Haye KOs Wlad this would have to be one of the bigger HW upsets in years.
I think the main reason you believe it would not be a big upset, is you're overrating Haye and underrating Wlad.

a big chunk of the experts in the world think haye can win (maybe as high as 40%)

the only people in the world who thought douglass could win was probably him and his corner and i bet his corner had doubts

i dont think its anywhere near that magnitude

[Mars_ax]

if haye wins it is only a minor upset

Come on Erics, outside of the dream world you seem to live in when it comes to Haye, this would have to be considered a major upset in the sport of boxing.

by major what do you mean? liken it to another upset

I wouldn't put it in the same category as say, Tyson - Douglas, but Lewis - Rahman I, comes to mind. If Haye KOs Wlad this would have to be one of the bigger HW upsets in years.
I think the main reason you believe it would not be a big upset, is you're overrating Haye and underrating Wlad.

a big chunk of the experts in the world think haye can win (maybe as high as 40%)

the only people in the world who thought douglass could win was probably him and his corner and i bet his corner had doubts

i dont think its anywhere near that magnitude

I didn't say Tyson/Douglas, I said it would be an upset closer to Lewis/Rahman I.

I don't know what fight this "big chunk" of experts is basing their opinions on, wishful thinking perhaps, but they obviously aren't looking at the facts.. Reread my OP in this thread for my reasons why.

[El Kabong]

Between his fights some people have an odd habit of forgetting just how dominant Wlad can be in the ring.

They have the same simplistic arguments the previous fighter had. "Wlad hasn't fought anyone", "He's boring", "He can't take the punches I'll throw", etc.

Yet Wlad will dissect this guy like all the rest.

Its going to be a shut out baby!

[Fenster]

I think the odds are quite poor for a Haye KO win. 2/1? I thought it'd be more like 5/1

Also Haye by decision in germany should be at least 1000/1

Wlad has been knocked down 50 times. Haye has a 90% KO ratio. And the unlikelihood of a Haye decision is factored into the price.

Personally, I think Haye's odds are too short. Which is making Wlad look worth a bet. However, I certainly won't be backing against Haye.

[Hornfinger]

I'm going to put money on a haye KO and also I'll choose a round.

[JonnyFolds]

I'm going to put money on a haye KO and also I'll choose a round.

You finally found something to say about the actual thread.

Thanks

Obviously as the matchmakers have it.. It is only a minor upset. When is the last time Wlad was listed this close to an opponent odds-wise?
And whoever thinks there is going to be a littel feeling out in the first 3 rounds is drastically wrong. The longer the fight goes the worse chance Haye has. I think he will be able to to box some with Wlad and win exchanges, but he will not win against a downhill-jackhammer jab.