Scoring Fights From Your Living Room Is Unreliable

[armin]

And what of the ringside situation where the action is in an area that one judge is behind the back of a fighter and cant see or behind the ref and they cant see who or whats landing?

Two thoughts. One is that is why there are three judges from different sides of the ring and second, that is why sound also sometimes matters.

I am NOT arguing rings judging is perfect. I am arguing it is a sufficiently different experience that we should not be surprised when it leads to different scoring. I would also say ringside judging is what we've always had and I see no other superior option that we should change it to.

It is faaaar from perfect, and just because we always had it doesn't mean we shouldn't amend it. I say keep two ringside, and stick one in a room by himself with a tv without sound. Make replay available to ref and judge so they don't fuck up imporant calls like knockdowns ruled as slips, vice versa, and cuts being caused by headbuts as opposed to punches. Also we can know when judges are biased or maybe even in the pockets of promoters when they're scoring is different from everyone else it seems including press row, since usually they have a similar angle on the fight. Like how the hell did one judge have williams up 119-109 in the first martinez fight, dudes blind, I don't care if you watched that fight from space thru a telescope no way did martinez just win one round of that fight. Well rant over...lol

[marbleheadmaui]

And what of the ringside situation where the action is in an area that one judge is behind the back of a fighter and cant see or behind the ref and they cant see who or whats landing?

Two thoughts. One is that is why there are three judges from different sides of the ring and second, that is why sound also sometimes matters.

I am NOT arguing rings judging is perfect. I am arguing it is a sufficiently different experience that we should not be surprised when it leads to different scoring. I would also say ringside judging is what we've always had and I see no other superior option that we should change it to.

It is faaaar from perfect, and just because we always had it doesn't mean we shouldn't amend it. I say keep two ringside, and stick one in a room by himself with a tv without sound. Make replay available to ref and judge so they don't fuck up imporant calls like knockdowns ruled as slips, vice versa, and cuts being caused by headbuts as opposed to punches. Also we can know when judges are biased or maybe even in the pockets of promoters when they're scoring is different from everyone else it seems including press row, since usually they have a similar angle on the fight. Like how the hell did one judge have williams up 119-109 in the first martinez fight, dudes blind, I don't care if you watched that fight from space thru a telescope no way did martinez just win one round of that fight. Well rant over...lol

I don't know how you put people in a booth unless one can do 100% of all fights that way. One can make a real argument that all three judges being that way might be the best way, but until we can afford it for everyone? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

I think replay etc is a seriously bad idea in a sport in which fitness and recovery time matter. I mean how long do you give someone to change the ref's call? When do the corner's get notified? What happens if the truck takes too long to find the best shot or has cameras placed in places where they have no shot?

I have a MUCH better idea on the cuts issue. Revert back to the way it was for 100 years. A cut is a cut, get over it and keep going or you lose.

[Andre]

And what of the ringside situation where the action is in an area that one judge is behind the back of a fighter and cant see or behind the ref and they cant see who or whats landing?

Two thoughts. One is that is why there are three judges from different sides of the ring and second, that is why sound also sometimes matters.

I am NOT arguing rings judging is perfect. I am arguing it is a sufficiently different experience that we should not be surprised when it leads to different scoring. I would also say ringside judging is what we've always had and I see no other superior option that we should change it to.

It is faaaar from perfect, and just because we always had it doesn't mean we shouldn't amend it. I say keep two ringside, and stick one in a room by himself with a tv without sound. Make replay available to ref and judge so they don't fuck up imporant calls like knockdowns ruled as slips, vice versa, and cuts being caused by headbuts as opposed to punches. Also we can know when judges are biased or maybe even in the pockets of promoters when they're scoring is different from everyone else it seems including press row, since usually they have a similar angle on the fight. Like how the hell did one judge have williams up 119-109 in the first martinez fight, dudes blind, I don't care if you watched that fight from space thru a telescope no way did martinez just win one round of that fight. Well rant over...lol

I don't know how you put people in a booth unless one can do 100% of all fights that way. One can make a real argument that all three judges being that way might be the best way, but until we can afford it for everyone? Doesn't make a lot of sense.

I think replay etc is a seriously bad idea in a sport in which fitness and recovery time matter. I mean how long do you give someone to change the ref's call? When do the corner's get notified? What happens if the truck takes too long to find the best shot or has cameras placed in places where they have no shot?

I have a MUCH better idea on the cuts issue. Revert back to the way it was for 100 years. A cut is a cut, get over it and keep going or you lose.

A small tv screen in front of every judge at ringside for when they cant see.

[erics44]

you could totally turn the op around and give the same reasons why it is more reliable to score from your living room

[badr_hari]

you could totally turn the op around and give the same reasons why it is more reliable to score from your living room

agreed.