A new Haye v Klit thread, lets not argue

[armyash]

Nice post.

Here's how I see it.

13 was life and death with a journeyman in Barret, he threw, ahem, 13 punches a round against a lumbering, incompetent giant and half the ringside sportswriters had him losing. John Ruiz hadn't had a quality win in five years and Audley was, well Audley. The Valuev fight really bugs me. 13 was entirely too willing to leave his fate in the hands of the judges. I mean seriously, 13 punches THROWN a round? I can't come up with a big fight where the LOSER threw so infrequently.

Wlad's chin is Wlad's chin, but when is the last time anyone got close? He's improved over the last five years to an incredible degree. While 13 has fought four times in three years and beaten one ranked guy, Wlad has fought six times in the same period and KO'd four ranked guys and Hasim Rachman.

I just don't think this fight is competitive.

True Wlads chin has not been tested seriously for some time. Have to give him credit because he has made his opponents ineffective. On that note how many of his opponents have been criticised for coming in seriously overweight thinking that it will level the playing field?

On Hayes inactivity i am leaning towards giving him the benefit of the doubt and say he has been letting his body adapt to the weight and has allowed himself to do it properly. Look how RJJ bulked looked very impressive but would not have been good long term.

I agree with all your points regarding Hayes HW opponents. There are a lot of negative points to look at i supppose i was concentrating on the positives to justify my prediction. I do genuinely believe Haye beat valuev but some will say otherwise i just cant see it.....but not the topic at hand so i'll leave it lol

I see it being competitive while it lasts, 2 well trained athletes confident in their ability and both with a winners mindset and each showing a strong desire to get the win.

[marbleheadmaui]

Nice post.

Here's how I see it.

13 was life and death with a journeyman in Barret, he threw, ahem, 13 punches a round against a lumbering, incompetent giant and half the ringside sportswriters had him losing. John Ruiz hadn't had a quality win in five years and Audley was, well Audley. The Valuev fight really bugs me. 13 was entirely too willing to leave his fate in the hands of the judges. I mean seriously, 13 punches THROWN a round? I can't come up with a big fight where the LOSER threw so infrequently.

Wlad's chin is Wlad's chin, but when is the last time anyone got close? He's improved over the last five years to an incredible degree. While 13 has fought four times in three years and beaten one ranked guy, Wlad has fought six times in the same period and KO'd four ranked guys and Hasim Rachman.

I just don't think this fight is competitive.

True Wlads chin has not been tested seriously for some time. Have to give him credit because he has made his opponents ineffective. On that note how many of his opponents have been criticised for coming in seriously overweight thinking that it will level the playing field?
On Hayes inactivity i am leaning towards giving him the benefit of the doubt and say he has been letting his body adapt to the weight and has allowed himself to do it properly. Look how RJJ bulked looked very impressive but would not have been good long term.

I agree with all your points regarding Hayes HW opponents. There are a lot of negative points to look at i supppose i was concentrating on the positives to justify my prediction. I do genuinely believe Haye beat valuev but some will say otherwise i just cant see it.....but not the topic at hand so i'll leave it lol

I see it being competitive while it lasts, 2 well trained athletes confident in their ability and both with a winners mindset and each showing a strong desire to get the win.

It's a very fair point on Wlad's competition and their ability to get to his chin. They only seem to go 2-3 rounds before they get very discouraged.

On 13's inactivity? The ONLY way to get used to a new body is to use it. Twitter posts and playing video games ain't gonna get it done

The last bold is what bugged me about the Valuev fight. 13 seemed more than willing to let the judges decide his fate in what HAD to be viewed as a nip and tuck fight. I just don't know what 13's desire level really is.

I have this sneaking, unprovable suspicion that 13's true desire is to get a big payday, do so without risking serious injury, and then get out of the sport.

Now having said all that, strange things happen in boxing and does 13 have some chance of landing the big shot on Wlad? Sure. But I think it's a very remote chance.

Of course that's why they actually fight the fights

[Fenster]

Nice post.

Here's how I see it.

13 was life and death with a journeyman in Barret, he threw, ahem, 13 punches a round against a lumbering, incompetent giant and half the ringside sportswriters had him losing. John Ruiz hadn't had a quality win in five years and Audley was, well Audley. The Valuev fight really bugs me. 13 was entirely too willing to leave his fate in the hands of the judges. I mean seriously, 13 punches THROWN a round? I can't come up with a big fight where the LOSER threw so infrequently.

Wlad's chin is Wlad's chin, but when is the last time anyone got close? He's improved over the last five years to an incredible degree. While 13 has fought four times in three years and beaten one ranked guy, Wlad has fought six times in the same period and KO'd four ranked guys and Hasim Rachman.

I just don't think this fight is competitive.

True Wlads chin has not been tested seriously for some time. Have to give him credit because he has made his opponents ineffective. On that note how many of his opponents have been criticised for coming in seriously overweight thinking that it will level the playing field?
On Hayes inactivity i am leaning towards giving him the benefit of the doubt and say he has been letting his body adapt to the weight and has allowed himself to do it properly. Look how RJJ bulked looked very impressive but would not have been good long term.

I agree with all your points regarding Hayes HW opponents. There are a lot of negative points to look at i supppose i was concentrating on the positives to justify my prediction. I do genuinely believe Haye beat valuev but some will say otherwise i just cant see it.....but not the topic at hand so i'll leave it lol

I see it being competitive while it lasts, 2 well trained athletes confident in their ability and both with a winners mindset and each showing a strong desire to get the win.

It's a very fair point on Wlad's competition and their ability to get to his chin. They only seem to go 2-3 rounds before they get very discouraged.

On 13's inactivity? The ONLY way to get used to a new body is to use it. Twitter posts and playing video games ain't gonna get it done

The last bold is what bugged me about the Valuev fight. 13 seemed more than willing to let the judges decide his fate in what HAD to be viewed as a nip and tuck fight. I just don't know what 13's desire level really is.

I have this sneaking, unprovable suspicion that 13's true desire is to get a big payday, do so without risking serious injury, and then get out of the sport.

Now having said all that, strange things happen in boxing and does 13 have some chance of landing the big shot on Wlad? Sure. But I think it's a very remote chance.

Of course that's why they actually fight the fights

Haye has been fighting since he was 10. He's made over $20 million in his last few fights alone. He never went "life and death" with Monte Barrett and even if averaging just 13 punches a round, it was still plenty good enough to get a decision in the other guys backyard (half those sports writers must have been drunk. Did Valuev even land a punch the whole fight?).

To question his heart/desire is a liberty. He came back, and learned, from the Thompson defeat. He won the lineal cruiserweight title away from home (on a Don King promotion to boot). He beat Valuev away from home. He is now trying to become the world heavyweight champion - away from home.

He's already made millions, he has found great fame in Britain, so if he didn't really want to fight Wlad why risk the humiliation?

[erics44]

Nice post.

Here's how I see it.

13 was life and death with a journeyman in Barret, he threw, ahem, 13 punches a round against a lumbering, incompetent giant and half the ringside sportswriters had him losing. John Ruiz hadn't had a quality win in five years and Audley was, well Audley. The Valuev fight really bugs me. 13 was entirely too willing to leave his fate in the hands of the judges. I mean seriously, 13 punches THROWN a round? I can't come up with a big fight where the LOSER threw so infrequently.

Wlad's chin is Wlad's chin, but when is the last time anyone got close? He's improved over the last five years to an incredible degree. While 13 has fought four times in three years and beaten one ranked guy, Wlad has fought six times in the same period and KO'd four ranked guys and Hasim Rachman.

I just don't think this fight is competitive.

True Wlads chin has not been tested seriously for some time. Have to give him credit because he has made his opponents ineffective. On that note how many of his opponents have been criticised for coming in seriously overweight thinking that it will level the playing field?
On Hayes inactivity i am leaning towards giving him the benefit of the doubt and say he has been letting his body adapt to the weight and has allowed himself to do it properly. Look how RJJ bulked looked very impressive but would not have been good long term.

I agree with all your points regarding Hayes HW opponents. There are a lot of negative points to look at i supppose i was concentrating on the positives to justify my prediction. I do genuinely believe Haye beat valuev but some will say otherwise i just cant see it.....but not the topic at hand so i'll leave it lol

I see it being competitive while it lasts, 2 well trained athletes confident in their ability and both with a winners mindset and each showing a strong desire to get the win.

It's a very fair point on Wlad's competition and their ability to get to his chin. They only seem to go 2-3 rounds before they get very discouraged.

On 13's inactivity? The ONLY way to get used to a new body is to use it. Twitter posts and playing video games ain't gonna get it done

The last bold is what bugged me about the Valuev fight. 13 seemed more than willing to let the judges decide his fate in what HAD to be viewed as a nip and tuck fight. I just don't know what 13's desire level really is.

I have this sneaking, unprovable suspicion that 13's true desire is to get a big payday, do so without risking serious injury, and then get out of the sport.

Now having said all that, strange things happen in boxing and does 13 have some chance of landing the big shot on Wlad? Sure. But I think it's a very remote chance.

Of course that's why they actually fight the fights

you say some strange things for someone who doesnt care what the outcome of the fight is

id put your passion for wlad up along side mars ex, elterrible and lyle

theres no shame in it, its what makes you a boxing fan

[Dropanuke]

Nice post.

Here's how I see it.

13 was life and death with a journeyman in Barret, he threw, ahem, 13 punches a round against a lumbering, incompetent giant and half the ringside sportswriters had him losing. John Ruiz hadn't had a quality win in five years and Audley was, well Audley. The Valuev fight really bugs me. 13 was entirely too willing to leave his fate in the hands of the judges. I mean seriously, 13 punches THROWN a round? I can't come up with a big fight where the LOSER threw so infrequently.

Wlad's chin is Wlad's chin, but when is the last time anyone got close? He's improved over the last five years to an incredible degree. While 13 has fought four times in three years and beaten one ranked guy, Wlad has fought six times in the same period and KO'd four ranked guys and Hasim Rachman.

I just don't think this fight is competitive.

True Wlads chin has not been tested seriously for some time. Have to give him credit because he has made his opponents ineffective. On that note how many of his opponents have been criticised for coming in seriously overweight thinking that it will level the playing field?
On Hayes inactivity i am leaning towards giving him the benefit of the doubt and say he has been letting his body adapt to the weight and has allowed himself to do it properly. Look how RJJ bulked looked very impressive but would not have been good long term.

I agree with all your points regarding Hayes HW opponents. There are a lot of negative points to look at i supppose i was concentrating on the positives to justify my prediction. I do genuinely believe Haye beat valuev but some will say otherwise i just cant see it.....but not the topic at hand so i'll leave it lol

I see it being competitive while it lasts, 2 well trained athletes confident in their ability and both with a winners mindset and each showing a strong desire to get the win.

It's a very fair point on Wlad's competition and their ability to get to his chin. They only seem to go 2-3 rounds before they get very discouraged.

On 13's inactivity? The ONLY way to get used to a new body is to use it. Twitter posts and playing video games ain't gonna get it done

The last bold is what bugged me about the Valuev fight. 13 seemed more than willing to let the judges decide his fate in what HAD to be viewed as a nip and tuck fight. I just don't know what 13's desire level really is.

I have this sneaking, unprovable suspicion that 13's true desire is to get a big payday, do so without risking serious injury, and then get out of the sport.

Now having said all that, strange things happen in boxing and does 13 have some chance of landing the big shot on Wlad? Sure. But I think it's a very remote chance.

Of course that's why they actually fight the fights

you say some strange things for someone who doesnt care what the outcome of the fight is

id put your passion for wlad up along side mars ex, elterrible and lyle

theres no shame in it, its what makes you a boxing fan

I like ur attention to detail.

[Master]

I think it may actually go the distance because Haye will use his speed and ring movements by fighting on the outside. If he gets too close he will get hit with the jab and knocked out by the right hand. If he gets tied by Wlad he will get sapped by Wlad leaning on him and tiring him out. He will rely on his superior stamina and speed to take it into the later rounds and try and knock him out then, by which time I think time will have run out and Haye loses a controversial decision for the second British fighter in 2 weeks.

[armyash]

I think it may actually go the distance because Haye will use his speed and ring movements by fighting on the outside. If he gets too close he will get hit with the jab and knocked out by the right hand. If he gets tied by Wlad he will get sapped by Wlad leaning on him and tiring him out. He will rely on his superior stamina and speed to take it into the later rounds and try and knock him out then, by which time I think time will have run out and Haye loses a controversial decision for the second British fighter in 2 weeks.

That's not a bad way of looking at the fight. There's not many people talking about a distance fight though - we could all be getting taken in by the hype surrounding it all! lol

My brother said earlier that he sees it going the distance but in Hayes favour. For me thats a very unlikely outcome.

I can't see Haye being able to keep Klitschko off him for 12 rounds. Very very different to Valuev, Klit will be able to manouvre him in to the corner and if he traps him on the ropes he wont find it easy to get away, much busier than Valuev too, The longer the fight goes the harder it will be for Haye and i can't imagine his ego will allow him to take a sustained beating over the distance, i think the towel would come in or there would be a retirement before that happens.

I'd be very surprised to see a close competitive fight for 12 rounds that was really close on the cards. just don't see a distance fight at all. After a round or two though we will have a better idea of how it's going to pan out. I'm excited to see what tactics Haye will be using.

[erics44]

I like ur attention to detail.

thanks some people even call me a perfectionist

[El Kabong]

I like ur attention to detail.

thanks some people even call me a perfectionist

Yup....pretty much a lock to be wrong every time


You can't compare anyone the WBA title holder has fought to Wlad. Wlad's faster, more powerful, and more experienced than anyone the WBA title holder has fought at heavyweight and hell maybe ever. Sure this is probably the most attention a Klitschko fight has received but I think he's had sterner tests recently Tony Thompson being one of them. Sure Tony wasn't going to KO anyone like Wlad, but he was a tough test and had never been stopped before and Wlad stopped him.

I just worry about who the WBA title holder has fought, sure he's looked impressive, but anyone can look impressive vs a stiff.

[ninjaspy3]

I like ur attention to detail.

thanks some people even call me a perfectionist

Yup....pretty much a lock to be wrong every time


You can't compare anyone the WBA title holder has fought to Wlad. Wlad's faster, more powerful, and more experienced than anyone the WBA title holder has fought at heavyweight and hell maybe ever. Sure this is probably the most attention a Klitschko fight has received but I think he's had sterner tests recently Tony Thompson being one of them. Sure Tony wasn't going to KO anyone like Wlad, but he was a tough test and had never been stopped before and Wlad stopped him.

I just worry about who the WBA title holder has fought, sure he's looked impressive, but anyone can look impressive vs a stiff.

Actually, Ive been looking into Tony Thompson lately.. and other than the fact that he was decently tall, it doesnt seem like he was really all that impressive or had even fought a noteable opponent until he fought Wlad.

edit: and then I found this video. :-( ehhh http://youtu.be/BFsAeSdY2ps

[armyash]

Nice post.

Here's how I see it.

13 was life and death with a journeyman in Barret, he threw, ahem, 13 punches a round against a lumbering, incompetent giant and half the ringside sportswriters had him losing. John Ruiz hadn't had a quality win in five years and Audley was, well Audley. The Valuev fight really bugs me. 13 was entirely too willing to leave his fate in the hands of the judges. I mean seriously, 13 punches THROWN a round? I can't come up with a big fight where the LOSER threw so infrequently.

Wlad's chin is Wlad's chin, but when is the last time anyone got close? He's improved over the last five years to an incredible degree. While 13 has fought four times in three years and beaten one ranked guy, Wlad has fought six times in the same period and KO'd four ranked guys and Hasim Rachman.

I just don't think this fight is competitive.

True Wlads chin has not been tested seriously for some time. Have to give him credit because he has made his opponents ineffective. On that note how many of his opponents have been criticised for coming in seriously overweight thinking that it will level the playing field?
On Hayes inactivity i am leaning towards giving him the benefit of the doubt and say he has been letting his body adapt to the weight and has allowed himself to do it properly. Look how RJJ bulked looked very impressive but would not have been good long term.

I agree with all your points regarding Hayes HW opponents. There are a lot of negative points to look at i supppose i was concentrating on the positives to justify my prediction. I do genuinely believe Haye beat valuev but some will say otherwise i just cant see it.....but not the topic at hand so i'll leave it lol

I see it being competitive while it lasts, 2 well trained athletes confident in their ability and both with a winners mindset and each showing a strong desire to get the win.

It's a very fair point on Wlad's competition and their ability to get to his chin. They only seem to go 2-3 rounds before they get very discouraged.

On 13's inactivity? The ONLY way to get used to a new body is to use it. Twitter posts and playing video games ain't gonna get it done

The last bold is what bugged me about the Valuev fight. 13 seemed more than willing to let the judges decide his fate in what HAD to be viewed as a nip and tuck fight. I just don't know what 13's desire level really is.

I have this sneaking, unprovable suspicion that 13's true desire is to get a big payday, do so without risking serious injury, and then get out of the sport.

Now having said all that, strange things happen in boxing and does 13 have some chance of landing the big shot on Wlad? Sure. But I think it's a very remote chance.

Of course that's why they actually fight the fights

There was an arrogance about Haye that he thought he could win the fight throwing such few shots but that fact that Valuev didn't land much of any significance either worked in his favour on the judges cards.

Yeah Haye has given the impression he has a strong desire to win when talking about the fight but we wont actually know for sure until the fight gets underway. Thing is though Haye has heaped an absolutely incredible amount of pressure on himself....if i think about it long enough i swear i can feel it too . Haye hasn't really left himself much choice but to attempt and win the fight in devastating fashion. He has a good chance of that happening but i see him taking some big shots himself too.

Booth has made it clear that Team Hayes plan is to make a huge amount of money and get out of the sport unharmed so i don't think Haye tries to disguise the fact that he is money orientated.