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[Spicoli]

Driven down road and realize lost in all the one upping...dude! THIS is a quality heavyweight 'unification' fight!! However shit the division and some past matches

THIS is quality and what we need. May the best man win...cleanly and politic free

[marbleheadmaui]

It's pretty clear 13 is going to try to rely on movement to win. He really has no other choice and that's whay he remains ten pounds under where he fought Ruiz.

And strange things happen in boxing.

But I've been trying to figure out a way in which 13's movement can get it done.

He doesn't bob and weave or move his head much, so he can't get inside up the middle because Wlad's jab will wear him out and do so in short order.

If he tries to move right he runs into the little hook Wlad throws off his jab and I can't see how that's productive.

If he moves to his left I think he can evade reasonably well, but what does he land moving in that direction? Moving left and than having to plant to throw the right seems entirely too slow. Is his left hook a serious enough punch to make it the core of 13's strategy? When he stops to throw it, the natural Wlad move will be the straight right. Is that the right situation for 13?

What I am left with is an attenpt to fight the way Joe Louis used to. Approach the other guy until almost in punching range and then retreat six inches at a time, six inches at a time, six inches at a time, and when the foe comes in range by over pursuing then punch, and punch hard. We haven't really seen Wlad have to make the fight against a guy like that over the past 3-4 years have we? But that kind of approach requires that 13 have amazing legs and be able to not miss a beat and know precisely where the ropes are at all times. It may be 13's best shot.

I have no dog in this hunt and don't care much who wins, but I don't see it beign competitive. Wlad early.

[CFH]

It's pretty clear 13 is going to try to rely on movement to win. He really has no other choice and that's whay he remains ten pounds under where he fought Ruiz.

And strange things happen in boxing.

But I've been trying to figure out a way in which 13's movement can get it done.

He doesn't bob and weave or move his head much, so he can't get inside up the middle because Wlad's jab will wear him out and do so in short order.

If he tries to move right he runs into the little hook Wlad throws off his jab and I can't see how that's productive.

If he moves to his left I think he can evade reasonably well, but what does he land moving in that direction? Moving left and than having to plant to throw the right seems entirely too slow. Is his left hook a serious enough punch to make it the core of 13's strategy? When he stops to throw it, the natural Wlad move will be the straight right. Is that the right situation for 13?

What I am left with is an attenpt to fight the way Joe Louis used to. Approach the other guy until almost in punching range and then retreat six inches at a time, six inches at a time, six inches at a time, and when the foe comes in range by over pursuing then punch, and punch hard. We haven't really seen Wlad have to make the fight against a guy like that over the past 3-4 years have we? But that kind of approach requires that 13 have amazing legs and be able to not miss a beat and know precisely where the ropes are at all times. It may be 13's best shot.

I have no dog in this hunt and don't care much who wins, but I don't see it beign competitive. Wlad early.

13?

[marbleheadmaui]

It's pretty clear 13 is going to try to rely on movement to win. He really has no other choice and that's whay he remains ten pounds under where he fought Ruiz.

And strange things happen in boxing.

But I've been trying to figure out a way in which 13's movement can get it done.

He doesn't bob and weave or move his head much, so he can't get inside up the middle because Wlad's jab will wear him out and do so in short order.

If he tries to move right he runs into the little hook Wlad throws off his jab and I can't see how that's productive.

If he moves to his left I think he can evade reasonably well, but what does he land moving in that direction? Moving left and than having to plant to throw the right seems entirely too slow. Is his left hook a serious enough punch to make it the core of 13's strategy? When he stops to throw it, the natural Wlad move will be the straight right. Is that the right situation for 13?

What I am left with is an attenpt to fight the way Joe Louis used to. Approach the other guy until almost in punching range and then retreat six inches at a time, six inches at a time, six inches at a time, and when the foe comes in range by over pursuing then punch, and punch hard. We haven't really seen Wlad have to make the fight against a guy like that over the past 3-4 years have we? But that kind of approach requires that 13 have amazing legs and be able to not miss a beat and know precisely where the ropes are at all times. It may be 13's best shot.

I have no dog in this hunt and don't care much who wins, but I don't see it beign competitive. Wlad early.

13?

The number of punches Haye THREW per round against Valuev. I haven't been able to find a fighter who threw under 20 in a big fight before, even a guy who lost! It still shocks me that a guy in purusit of a title could be so passive and so comfortable putting his fate in the hands of the judges.

But 13 won, so what the hell do I know?

[CFH]

It's pretty clear 13 is going to try to rely on movement to win. He really has no other choice and that's whay he remains ten pounds under where he fought Ruiz.

And strange things happen in boxing.

But I've been trying to figure out a way in which 13's movement can get it done.

He doesn't bob and weave or move his head much, so he can't get inside up the middle because Wlad's jab will wear him out and do so in short order.

If he tries to move right he runs into the little hook Wlad throws off his jab and I can't see how that's productive.

If he moves to his left I think he can evade reasonably well, but what does he land moving in that direction? Moving left and than having to plant to throw the right seems entirely too slow. Is his left hook a serious enough punch to make it the core of 13's strategy? When he stops to throw it, the natural Wlad move will be the straight right. Is that the right situation for 13?

What I am left with is an attenpt to fight the way Joe Louis used to. Approach the other guy until almost in punching range and then retreat six inches at a time, six inches at a time, six inches at a time, and when the foe comes in range by over pursuing then punch, and punch hard. We haven't really seen Wlad have to make the fight against a guy like that over the past 3-4 years have we? But that kind of approach requires that 13 have amazing legs and be able to not miss a beat and know precisely where the ropes are at all times. It may be 13's best shot.

I have no dog in this hunt and don't care much who wins, but I don't see it beign competitive. Wlad early.

13?

The number of punches Haye THREW per round against Valuev. I haven't been able to find a fighter who threw under 20 in a big fight before, even a guy who lost! It still shocks me that a guy in purusit of a title could be so passive and so comfortable putting his fate in the hands of the judges.

But 13 won, so what the hell do I know?

THat might have been the worst fight I have ever seen.

[marbleheadmaui]

But 13 won, so what the hell do I know?

THat might have been the worst fight I have ever seen.

I don't know if it was the worst I've ever seen (I loathe mismatch driven quick KO's) but I remember being utterly aghast at what I was watching. I couldn't believe Valuev's incompetence nor 13's passivity.

[Fenster]

Memphis is on the Haye team. I'm adding Jaz and Rhun too.

That's 10-11 Brits that make Wlad favourite but want Haye.

Jim Boogie you're backing Haye, right?

[boxingbantz]

The number of punches Haye THREW per round against Valuev. I haven't been able to find a fighter who threw under 20 in a big fight before, even a guy who lost! It still shocks me that a guy in purusit of a title could be so passive and so comfortable putting his fate in the hands of the judges.

But 13 won, so what the hell do I know?

Audley Harrison landed ONE punch in three rounds vs Haye. That was a big fight if you believed the British media? Then again, us in the know about boxing, knew it was anything other than that. "The biggest British fight since Lewis/Bruno". What a disgrace.

[Howlin Mad Missy]

It's pretty clear 13 is going to try to rely on movement to win. He really has no other choice and that's whay he remains ten pounds under where he fought Ruiz.

And strange things happen in boxing.

But I've been trying to figure out a way in which 13's movement can get it done.

He doesn't bob and weave or move his head much, so he can't get inside up the middle because Wlad's jab will wear him out and do so in short order.

If he tries to move right he runs into the little hook Wlad throws off his jab and I can't see how that's productive.

If he moves to his left I think he can evade reasonably well, but what does he land moving in that direction? Moving left and than having to plant to throw the right seems entirely too slow. Is his left hook a serious enough punch to make it the core of 13's strategy? When he stops to throw it, the natural Wlad move will be the straight right. Is that the right situation for 13?

What I am left with is an attenpt to fight the way Joe Louis used to. Approach the other guy until almost in punching range and then retreat six inches at a time, six inches at a time, six inches at a time, and when the foe comes in range by over pursuing then punch, and punch hard. We haven't really seen Wlad have to make the fight against a guy like that over the past 3-4 years have we? But that kind of approach requires that 13 have amazing legs and be able to not miss a beat and know precisely where the ropes are at all times. It may be 13's best shot.

I have no dog in this hunt and don't care much who wins, but I don't see it beign competitive. Wlad early.

move right/slip jab & throw over the top. Shit, if my short arse 5'5" could land it against 6' lanky stationary fuckers I'm sure someone must have taught it to Haye?

[CFH]

Driven down road and realize lost in all the one upping...dude! THIS is a quality heavyweight 'unification' fight!! However shit the division and some past matches

THIS is quality and what we need. May the best man win...cleanly and politic free

Word. This fight, regardless of the outcome, is nothing but good for boxing.

[Spicoli]

Driven down road and realize lost in all the one upping...dude! THIS is a quality heavyweight 'unification' fight!! However shit the division and some past matches

THIS is quality and what we need. May the best man win...cleanly and politic free

Word. This fight, regardless of the outcome, is nothing but good for boxing.

I wish Haye all the luck in the world, really. Regardless of not having a Ross purity chin or handspeed of Sanders I think he'll go out on his shield