But Can We Admit the Fact That...

[Fenster]

I'd give Haye credit if he talked shit about winning rounds or running but nooooo he said and I quote "I will decapitate Wladimir Klitschko" and so forth....winning 2 rounds (at most) doesn't cover that spread man.

That's exactly why Wlad loves his business partner Haye. He's never made close to the amount of money Haye generated for him and never will again.

You were stupid enough to believe Wlad, a highly intelligent man, would be changed by Haye's silly promotional antics.

Wlad ain't the chump you thought he was. Fact.

[Mars_ax]

Seriously ninjaspy, I don't get your point, forget about Wlad and his other opponents and just look at the facts. Haye lost a very lopsided decision, most had it 9-2-1, and he was totally dominated in a big, for all the marbles, HW Championship fight. If this were anyone other then David Haye would you be trying to give them credit for that losing performance?

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Seriously ninjaspy, I don't get your point, forget about Wlad and his other opponents and just look at the facts. Haye lost a very lopsided decision, most had it 9-2-1, and he was totally dominated in a big, for all the marbles, HW Championship fight. If this were anyone other then David Haye would you be trying to give them credit for that losing performance?

His point is more to do with the fight, rather than the fighters.

As in 'the fight was boring, a white wash, but that's no different to any other Klitschko fight. In other fights Wlad gets all the flack so why is Haye getting it now.'

And as I said, it's because it's rag week.

Some real emotions on this board this week. FUN TIMES!

[Mars_ax]

Seriously ninjaspy, I don't get your point, forget about Wlad and his other opponents and just look at the facts. Haye lost a very lopsided decision, most had it 9-2-1, and he was totally dominated in a big, for all the marbles, HW Championship fight. If this were anyone other then David Haye would you be trying to give them credit for that losing performance?

His point is more to do with the fight, rather than the fighters.

As in 'the fight was boring, a white wash, but that's no different to any other Klitschko fight. In other fights Wlad gets all the flack so why is Haye getting it now.'

And as I said, it's because it's rag week.

Some real emotions on this board this week. FUN TIMES!

I would have liked to have seen a KO, but since Wlad basically clowned Haye and made his point, I was entertained.

[Beanflicker]

None of those guys you mentioned talked a FRACTION of the shit that Haye did, and none of those fights had a fraction of the hype that this one did.

Haye made a lot of big promises and he fell short by a mile. Disgraceful performance no matter which way you slice it.

[ruthless rocco]

SSSSSSSHHHHHHH.... lets let the pictures do the talking.

[Gandalf]

SSSSSSSHHHHHHH.... lets let the pictures do the talking.

Hahaha, brilliant find. Wlad has grown on me a lot. Seems like a really, funny cool guy. Good video.

[ninjaspy3]

All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.

Ok, first I will adress this.
Will someone please explain to me the logic that "If a fight ends in KO/TKO, it is a better fight"?
That is an opinion. Specifically, that is your opinion and I am sure that many share this opinion.
However, it is not a fact.

A fight is not necessarily better simply because it ends in a KO/TKO.
For example, sometimes a KO happens almost completely by luck, or accident.
So you would be saying that a fight in which a lucky KO happens is better than say... if there was a highly skilled bout that went to the cards. Or perhaps a fight bedtween 2 tough fighters who simply refused to quit or go down.

So, I hope I beat that horse enough.

[ninjaspy3]

None of those guys you mentioned talked a FRACTION of the shit that Haye did, and none of those fights had a fraction of the hype that this one did.

Haye made a lot of big promises and he fell short by a mile. Disgraceful performance no matter which way you slice it.

I dont care how much trash haye talked. I am trying to discuss the actual accomplishments of each of the fights we are comparing, and only that.

And I stand by the opinion that of the opponents which I listed for Wladimir, Haye gave the most competitive showing. No one has addressed how any of the fighters in the fights I listed accomplished any single measure of success against Wlad. Know why? They accomplihed zero.

The ones who tried to fight also accomplished next to nothing. That is my point.
Riddle me this...
What was the last fighter to win ANY rounds against Wlad?

[Gandalf]

All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.

Ok, first I will adress this.
Will someone please explain to me the logic that "If a fight ends in KO/TKO, it is a better fight"?
That is an opinion. Specifically, that is your opinion and I am sure that many share this opinion.
However, it is not a fact.

A fight is not necessarily better simply because it ends in a KO/TKO.
For example, sometimes a KO happens almost completely by luck, or accident.
So you would be saying that a fight in which a lucky KO happens is better than say... if there was a highly skilled bout that went to the cards. Or perhaps a fight bedtween 2 tough fighters who simply refused to quit or go down.

So, I hope I beat that horse enough.

But the guy didn't even try to win. I have no idea what horse you are even trying to beat here. It was a crap showing from a now proven mediocre HW.

It was utter crap and there is nothing wrong with telling it how it was.

Almost everyone in the world thinks he sucked except for you, doesn't that make you think a little?

[Kev]

hahaha that Wlad video was great.

[ninjaspy3]

All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.

Ok, first I will adress this.
Will someone please explain to me the logic that "If a fight ends in KO/TKO, it is a better fight"?
That is an opinion. Specifically, that is your opinion and I am sure that many share this opinion.
However, it is not a fact.

A fight is not necessarily better simply because it ends in a KO/TKO.
For example, sometimes a KO happens almost completely by luck, or accident.
So you would be saying that a fight in which a lucky KO happens is better than say... if there was a highly skilled bout that went to the cards. Or perhaps a fight bedtween 2 tough fighters who simply refused to quit or go down.

So, I hope I beat that horse enough.

But the guy didn't even try to win. I have no idea what horse you are even trying to beat here. It was a crap showing from a now proven mediocre HW.

It was utter crap and there is nothing wrong with telling it how it was.

Almost everyone in the world thinks he sucked except for you, doesn't that make you think a little?

You see, thats just it Miles. I AM thinking. And some of us are refusing to do so.
So I will repeat what point I was trying to make in the post you replied to.
Hunter said that the fights I mentioned ended in KO/TKO, therefore they were better fights, and I pointed out to him that just because a fight ends in KO/TKO does not mean it is a better fight. It is simply his opinion, probably because he personally likes to see KOs, but that does not mean his personal opinion about what makes a fight good is fact.

Now Miles, as to your point, in Haye's non effort, he gave Wlad a better fight than the other oponents which I listed who did try. Do you see what Im getting at now?
It means the fight which you are complaining about is in reality, a better showing than previous opponents even though Haye didnt give a 100% effort.

[Gandalf]

All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.

Ok, first I will adress this.
Will someone please explain to me the logic that "If a fight ends in KO/TKO, it is a better fight"?
That is an opinion. Specifically, that is your opinion and I am sure that many share this opinion.
However, it is not a fact.

A fight is not necessarily better simply because it ends in a KO/TKO.
For example, sometimes a KO happens almost completely by luck, or accident.
So you would be saying that a fight in which a lucky KO happens is better than say... if there was a highly skilled bout that went to the cards. Or perhaps a fight bedtween 2 tough fighters who simply refused to quit or go down.

So, I hope I beat that horse enough.

But the guy didn't even try to win. I have no idea what horse you are even trying to beat here. It was a crap showing from a now proven mediocre HW.

It was utter crap and there is nothing wrong with telling it how it was.

Almost everyone in the world thinks he sucked except for you, doesn't that make you think a little?

You see, thats just it Miles. I AM thinking. And some of us are refusing to do so.
So I will repeat what point I was trying to make in the post you replied to.
Hunter said that the fights I mentioned ended in KO/TKO, therefore they were better fights, and I pointed out to him that just because a fight ends in KO/TKO does not mean it is a better fight. It is simply his opinion, probably because he personally likes to see KOs, but that does not mean his personal opinion about what makes a fight good is fact.

Now Miles, as to your point, in Haye's non effort, he gave Wlad a better fight than the other oponents which I listed who did try. Do you see what Im getting at now?
It means the fight which you are complaining about is in reality, a better showing than previous opponents even though Haye didnt give a 100% effort.

I get your point, but it was just such a negative display. I can't give Haye any credit for it. Early on I thought it was decent, but Haye just seemed to give up once he felt some power. It was survival mode and the same thing he has criticised everyone else for. As boxing fans we are quite harsh people, we want to see people go out on their swords. It isn't nice, but it earns respect and it is why top boxers earn so much money. They are expected to give their all. Haye didn't do that and so people are pissed, that's all. I'm sure you see that.

[ninjaspy3]

All of the fights you mentioned resulted in a KO/TKO so of course they were better fights. The other fighters tried to win not tried to finish the fight on their feet like Haye.

Ok, first I will adress this.
Will someone please explain to me the logic that "If a fight ends in KO/TKO, it is a better fight"?
That is an opinion. Specifically, that is your opinion and I am sure that many share this opinion.
However, it is not a fact.

A fight is not necessarily better simply because it ends in a KO/TKO.
For example, sometimes a KO happens almost completely by luck, or accident.
So you would be saying that a fight in which a lucky KO happens is better than say... if there was a highly skilled bout that went to the cards. Or perhaps a fight bedtween 2 tough fighters who simply refused to quit or go down.

So, I hope I beat that horse enough.

But the guy didn't even try to win. I have no idea what horse you are even trying to beat here. It was a crap showing from a now proven mediocre HW.

It was utter crap and there is nothing wrong with telling it how it was.

Almost everyone in the world thinks he sucked except for you, doesn't that make you think a little?

You see, thats just it Miles. I AM thinking. And some of us are refusing to do so.
So I will repeat what point I was trying to make in the post you replied to.
Hunter said that the fights I mentioned ended in KO/TKO, therefore they were better fights, and I pointed out to him that just because a fight ends in KO/TKO does not mean it is a better fight. It is simply his opinion, probably because he personally likes to see KOs, but that does not mean his personal opinion about what makes a fight good is fact.

Now Miles, as to your point, in Haye's non effort, he gave Wlad a better fight than the other oponents which I listed who did try. Do you see what Im getting at now?
It means the fight which you are complaining about is in reality, a better showing than previous opponents even though Haye didnt give a 100% effort.

I get your point, but it was just such a negative display. I can't give Haye any credit for it. Early on I thought it was decent, but Haye just seemed to give up once he felt some power. It was survival mode and the same thing he has criticised everyone else for. As boxing fans we are quite harsh people, we want to see people go out on their swords. It isn't nice, but it earns respect and it is why top boxers earn so much money. They are expected to give their all. Haye didn't do that and so people are pissed, that's all. I'm sure you see that.

I understand. I just think people go a little overboard sometimes.
I mean, thinking realistically, Im sure Haye was taken by surprise at Wlad's skill and speed.
After that, he probably tried to find the best way to fight without getting KOd.

And I know, that sucks for us, the audiance, but honestly, who is really going to stick their chin out there if they have a 2nd option? KOs are generally scored on those who get the fight brought to them, and there is nothing they can do to stop it. Whether by surprise, or by inevitableness of the opponent running them down and cornering them. Or of course, there are those who say "what the hell" and just go out "Gung Ho," forget all else... and get KO'd.

[Jimanuel Boogustus]

Miles, I struggle to see how you can be in survival mode yet continue to land several solid right hands through out the fight
Infact the best punch of the fight was in the 12th round. It's nonesense.

You know, the only difference between this fight and the Valuev fight was that Wladimir found a nice secure home for his jab.